2022-23 Season Discussion and Speculation 4 - Trade season continues - No player trade restrictions

[Ghost of Kleine]

Gambo. Looks like no plan to add a guard

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So most likely Rozier and possibly Oubre incoming if I had to guess?? Just have to figure out a workable framework for it.

Let's get the VALLEY BOYZ back!

[lilfishi22]

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Lets get the band back together

The Longboi from Orlando I want isn't Mo Bamba

[WeekapaugGroove]

Rozier would be a total wtf move

He has not shot the ball well this year, like really bad. But I am somewhat intrigued by Scary Terry. If they could buy low I think he could look better playing with better players.

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[lilfishi22]

Rozier would be a total wtf move

He has not shot the ball well this year, like really bad. But I am somewhat intrigued by Scary Terry. If they could buy low I think he could look better playing with better players.

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If we were to get Rozier (I'm not a fan), he would be playing the 2 with Book playing point going forward. Rozier is a poor playmaker and a more natural scorer. So the main thing is to not expect anything close to a PG with Rozier

[spanishninja]

Rozier would be a total wtf move

He has not shot the ball well this year, like really bad. But I am somewhat intrigued by Scary Terry. If they could buy low I think he could look better playing with better players.

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If we were to get Rozier (I'm not a fan), he would be playing the 2 with Book playing point going forward. Rozier is a poor playmaker and a more natural scorer. So the main thing is to not expect anything close to a PG with Rozier

for this type of role, Washington Jr or either Lee could do a better job.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Rozier would be a total wtf move

He has not shot the ball well this year, like really bad. But I am somewhat intrigued by Scary Terry. If they could buy low I think he could look better playing with better players.

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If we were to get Rozier (I'm not a fan), he would be playing the 2 with Book playing point going forward. Rozier is a poor playmaker and a more natural scorer. So the main thing is to not expect anything close to a PG with Rozier

Gotta wonder what's up with Payne. He shot the ball better this year before the injury - better than all these guys, actually. Much, much, much cheaper than Rozier and FVV. He's younger, too.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I'd hate to waive Crowder if he can't be moved by the deadline. I wonder... is the situation between him and the team so bad that, if we can't move him, he wouldn't consider showing up to help with a playoff run? One imagines it could only help him in free agency. Or would we prefer to roll with Torrey Craig (or Lee or Saric, depending on the matchup)?

[NapoleonII]

Is he really that bad (as insurance) IF we intend to move on from Ayton? I mean can Biyombo space the floor from three or hit free throws as well as Bamba?
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=biyombi01&player_id1=bambamo01&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=bambamo01

Apparently the only thing Biyimbo seems better at is FG% honestly! Now that's not to stay Biyombo's not solid and worth bringing back of course. But IF we do move Ayton in some trade premise, WITHOUT getting an equitable value center back, we'll find ourselves in a bad way against the rest of the leagues top centers, Unless of course they increase allowable fouls to around 10-12.

Now in Landale's case,
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=landajo01&player_id1=bambamo01&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=bambamo01

He's better at FG%/EFG%/ FT? BUT...................... Bamba is better at pretty much everything else: 3PTFG%/ Reb (both offensive and defensive)/ steals/ Blocks/ points. He's also younger, bigger, longer, and still possesses more upside. So if anyone thinks both Biyombo and Landale are good, then I'm just not sure how people can claim that Bamba is worse or even a bad player honestly.

He is playing 17 minutes per game for the Magic, that can tell you how bad he is and why doesn't makes sense to trade for him.

The Magic has a team option on him for next year but they will not use it, it was a mistake to draft him so high and then another mistake to sign him for that fifth year.

He doesn't understand the game but he will be in the league lots of years because of his ridiculous length but on small contracts. You can sign him possibly for the minimum next season.

And we aren't trading any core player. Ayton is a core player. We will trade Crowder and probably another bench player if needed to match salaries. James Jones likes continuity and believes in these players, he has shown that multiple times.

Love your confidence here man on the whole not trading any of our core! I actually am inclined with you here as long as you don't consider (by default) Crowder as part of our core until traded? lol
As for Bamba, how exactly do you get better if you're only getting 17 minutes a game? I don't think anyone would expect him to start over Carter Jr either with the magic investing in him. Are there really that many examples of starting salaried (big contract) players actually sitting in interest of bench bigs that are still raw and don't center's development normally take longer too? You may disagree, But I feel the key to a young player's development is a mix of both opportunity (environment/ fit) as well as playing time/ reps to foster "in game growth." How much of that do you suppose Bamba has really had? at worst he's still a young, raw, bench level big slightly better than both Biyombo and Landale as the stats have already indicated. But also with significant upside IF only properly developed.

So again, as I've previously said DEPENDING UPON THE COST he wouldn't be a bad insurance policy IF again...........IF we do decide to move on from Ayton in a trade this summer? Now you may of course disagree which is fine because perspectives don't always have to align to have merit. I mean obviously at some point we need to actually look at adding legitimate young talent/upside to this roster either to serve the purpose of tradable assets or as supplementary development pieces around our core that actually fit our timeline and still have growth projection too. And as for us not trading Ayton, I do absolutely agree with you here, as I've said before, NOT ONLY because of his veto authority on trades limiting our options, but moreover because it would really complicate things for us further decreasing our legitimate depth and talent without already having a follow up trade for a replacement option secured!

Please...stop lol.

I usually appreciate you covering every possible avenue of trade and scraping the trash heap for hidden gems, but please sir, come back to reality.

Mo Bamba is getting 17 minutes for a REASON. You seem to constantly conflate cause/effect. It's fuzzing your judgement / takes on here.

We trade for Mo Bamba and even THINK about him starting at center, and this board / fan base should rightly riot.

[lilfishi22]

He has not shot the ball well this year, like really bad. But I am somewhat intrigued by Scary Terry. If they could buy low I think he could look better playing with better players.

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If we were to get Rozier (I'm not a fan), he would be playing the 2 with Book playing point going forward. Rozier is a poor playmaker and a more natural scorer. So the main thing is to not expect anything close to a PG with Rozier

Gotta wonder what's up with Payne. He shot the ball better this year before the injury - better than all these guys, actually. Much, much, much cheaper than Rozier and FVV. He's younger, too.

I just don't think they envision him to be a starting calibre PG going forward. I like Payne and I think he's a super sub and as a starter he's impressed but I do have doubts about him as THE full time starting PG of the future. I'm open to it if nothing comes up but if we have the ability and the assets to get a higher calibre guard, I'd certainly look into it.

[lilfishi22]

I'd hate to waive Crowder if he can't be moved by the deadline. I wonder... is the situation between him and the team so bad that, if we can't move him, he wouldn't consider showing up to help with a playoff run? One imagines it could only help him in free agency. Or would we prefer to roll with Torrey Craig (or Lee or Saric, depending on the matchup)?

First off, F Crowder

I don't see a situation where we waive Crowder. We'd move him for a crap 2nd if we must but to waive a guy who has played exactly zero minutes (he's not even with the team) and eat his salary for the rest of the season would be mismanagement at the highest level.

I also don't see him coming back. He's already made his position clear when we were down to 3rd/4th stringers and 10 day contracts to fill out an NBA rotation and he didn't bat an eyelid. We also had a starting position for him when Cam was out for 2 months and he also didn't lift a finger

[spanishninja]

oh ****, Kenneth Faried is still available!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/kenneth-faried-eyes-nba-comeback-155734070.html

[Qwigglez]

I think if we get FVV or Rozier it would cost Ayton. I thought both had sounded like ok gets earlier last week before looking at their #s. Both have terrible efficiency this year (like where Payne was LAST year) and even in their "good" years, they didn't have particularly good efficiency. More like avg.

Then what they want to get paid. I like FVV more but he would cost more in trade and salary I think....article last week said $30-$35 million.

Why would it cost Ayton? I could see maybe FVV and Anunoby for Ayton and Payne, but not Ayton for FVV. Rozier would only cost expiring contracts as I'm sure the Hornets just want the cap flexibility.

[BobbieL]

I think if we get FVV or Rozier it would cost Ayton. I thought both had sounded like ok gets earlier last week before looking at their #s. Both have terrible efficiency this year (like where Payne was LAST year) and even in their "good" years, they didn't have particularly good efficiency. More like avg.

Then what they want to get paid. I like FVV more but he would cost more in trade and salary I think....article last week said $30-$35 million.

Why would it cost Ayton? I could see maybe FVV and Anunoby for Ayton and Payne, but not Ayton for FVV. Rozier would only cost expiring contracts as I'm sure the Hornets just want the cap flexibility.

I just listened to a Burns and Gambo segment on the Stein report and these three guards and what the Suns are going to do: Gambo didn't say anything but he kept saying it over and over. Just repeating himself how he doesn't want to pay FVV 25-30m and Quickly will cost a FRP. My guess, that is a source from New Yawk driving up the price or trying too

[bwgood77]

Chowder has essentially no value. In a few weeks, he’ll likely be bought out and able to sign on anywhere for the vet minimum. If we had any stones we make his ass sit the yr if no trade….and announce it now. The Dude F-d us. It’s no secret.

As for VanVleet and Rozier, they are going to cost us multiple picks and or contributing players. Then what do you do with CP next yr? Pay him 30 mil??? FreddyV is going to cost close to 30 and ScaryTerry is at 24. They going to be back ups? Or do we have 30mil CP off the bench? Think you trade him next yr?? Or is CP involved a deal yet this yr? (Unlikely unless he wants out too or MattyIsh says trim the fat)

This **** doesn’t make sense and reeks of kicking the can down the road…. Unless something else is in the works. It better be, but then again, I’m leary of who’s painting

My teeter is tottering to bagging this yr, clean house now and do a quick rebuild. Get in the lottery and cross your fingers. That isn’t happening though unless CP finds a suitor. Good luck to us.

I think if we get FVV or Rozier it would cost Ayton. I thought both had sounded like ok gets earlier last week before looking at their #s. Both have terrible efficiency this year (like where Payne was LAST year) and even in their "good" years, they didn't have particularly good efficiency. More like avg.

Then what they want to get paid. I like FVV more but he would cost more in trade and salary I think....article last week said $30-$35 million.

To me, Rozier is worth expirings - not Ayton. Maybe a heavily protected FRP or two 2nds

I personally don't think he's worth Ayton, but also feel Charlotte will ask for him (always needed a C) and knowing Jones and how he feels about "roster construction" and his failure of addressing the post Paul era, and if they are not particularly high on Ayton in the first place, they may feel it's a good trade. And maybe the Suns get a pick back or something.

I agree I wouldn't trade Ayton but unless they are just desperate to deal Rozier for cap relief, then I don't know why they would do it.

But this year Rozier sucks so I would even be leary of trading picks for him.

The point it, IF we pay Cam, keep Ayton (or trade him for similar salary), keep Book, Bridges AND take on Terry Rozier, we would be WAY into the tax.

So if they don't want to pay tax or repeater tax that could be another reason they might do Ayton.

But of course I wouldn't do it since Rozier is pretty terrible now. FVV is much better, though injuries have hurt his #s this year. FVV is no hesitation for 3. I am kind of glad the Suns are looking at him, though I still would rather not trade Ayton for him.

I haven't heard or read that the Raps even want to deal FVV though. Doesn't make a ton of sense especially if they deal GTJr.

[bwgood77]

Gambo has spoken on Rozier, FVV and Quickley. So I guess Marc Stein is wrong

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Watiting for Gambo to tell us who they ARE targeting.

He also said "not a good fit with Paul" while the articles talked about those guys as "post Paul". Gambo is not the brightest guy.

[sunskerr]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2023-nba-player-projections/terry-rozier/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2023-nba-player-projections/immanuel-quickley/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2023-nba-player-projections/fred-vanvleet/

LOL I think I know where Jones gets information from. ALL OF THEM are rated by RAPTOR as either borderline/future/current all stars. There's no way this isn't a coincidence.

[bwgood77]

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Must have been the Thunder. Question is - what exactley were those picks.
(Also, this is where Presti made a bit of a misscalculation with amassing all the picks in the world. Everybody will ask for twice as much of picks from him than any other trade partner. I guess he slept through economy 101 when they talked about diminising returns and such. With that said, he is still leaps and bounds better than our "gm".)

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If they wanted to go forward with this team, they would trade OG for player(s) not picks, that just doesn't make sense due to the age gap of the 2 important clusters of their player personnel (FVV/GTJ/Siakam/Porter vs OG/Barnes/Koloko/Achiuwa).
This also shows that the Dinos will be down for a Siakam trade in the summer. They will trade FVV for whoever they can, and GTJ too if there is a buyer, or at least one of them. Understandable, both have been subpar, have too large contracts, and FVV wants to make it worse. You aint winning chit with them. The return will be low as well. Then what do you have? Siakam and the 2 young wings, plus a couple nice complementary pieces (Koloko, Achiuwa, Thad Young, Porter), and a good draft pick. Let the bidding begin for the in his prime all nba guy.

Also: FVV will be either let go, or sign and traded. Possibly for a lot lower number than what he wants now, when there will be no suitors (unless one dumb gm throws the bag at him).

My guess was it was the Grizz seeing as they have a lot of picks themselves, And they're primed to make a big all in type of move and the 3 just happens to be their weakest position. I don't honestly think it was OKC because they have Jalen Williams at that position really balling out! and Kenrich Williams whose also really solid. But either is a legitimate possibility. Now watch both of us be wrong and we find out it was the Jazz??....................

I was thinking it was SA (they have their own plus the 3 Atlanta picks...sounds like a Pop type player)....or OKC. Possibly NY because they have a ton of picks too...though I don't know who they'd trade out.

Then of course there is Utah. I'm sure Ainge would love him and they have their own picks and the 5 Minnesota ones....and probably more incoming.

[bwgood77]

I'd hate to waive Crowder if he can't be moved by the deadline. I wonder... is the situation between him and the team so bad that, if we can't move him, he wouldn't consider showing up to help with a playoff run? One imagines it could only help him in free agency. Or would we prefer to roll with Torrey Craig (or Lee or Saric, depending on the matchup)?

I think they may wait and just take best offer at deadline. Some team probably capitulates and asks for more.

I also thought about why they don't take Caleb Martin if he is a standing offer. I'd rather have him than Rui for sure. Rui is a RFA...so who knows about him?

Caleb Martin is a solid player who makes $6.5, $6.8 next year and a little over $7 on a player option the following year. If you have to take the Dedmon contract it's non guaranteed next year.

I think if that is a standing offer they, at worst, will end up accepting that unless Miami trades him elsewhere first.

Not a great return but fairly solid rotation player. He shot a little better last year bit still like 38% from 3 this year and over 50% from 2. Last year over 41% from 3 and 56.5% from 2.

[BobbieL]

Gambo has spoken on Rozier, FVV and Quickley. So I guess Marc Stein is wrong

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Watiting for Gambo to tell us who they ARE targeting.

He also said "not a good fit with Paul" while the articles talked about those guys as "post Paul". Gambo is not the brightest guy.

Burns even mentioned post-Paul or what if somebody gets hurt in May

[bwgood77]

Gambo has spoken on Rozier, FVV and Quickley. So I guess Marc Stein is wrong

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Watiting for Gambo to tell us who they ARE targeting.

He also said "not a good fit with Paul" while the articles talked about those guys as "post Paul". Gambo is not the brightest guy.

Burns even mentioned post-Paul or what if somebody gets hurt in May

Gambo probably doesn't hear him. You know what would be fun? Hearing a Gambo/Flex conversation.