The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

[Ghost of Kleine]

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This is exactly what I've been saying though! Currently our assets suck! And our biggest tradable one (KD) is aged and expiring soon. Doing this would get us multiple legitimate assets to work with that have longer windows of control to broker other deals.

Also, the very highest pick we could actually pull in a KD return!!

[Ghost of Kleine]

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That should definitely help them competitively!!

[BobbieL]

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This is exactly what I've been saying though! Currently our assets suck! And our biggest tradable one (KD) is aged and expiring soon. Doing this would get us multiple legitimate assets to work with that have longer windows of control to broker other deals.

Also, the very highest pick we could actually pull in a KD return!!

So Gambo doesn't like the trade - maybe the Suns are using him to drive up the price perhaps - get an other draft pick

Of the two trades - lets compare
Poelt, Barrett and the 9th pick - or Quickley

Gobert, Dilly, Donte and 17

Hmmm... would need another draft pick from the Raptors

[Djedefre]

Raps offer is not ideal, but miles better than this Minny bull we read about. Agree with BobbieL, Houston can give the best package by far, and if we need to take on Green for a year or two in order to get picks and a guy like Jabari, so be it. Not to mention there is even a slim chance Green could learn to play more controlled and responsible basketball.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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With respect to the Beal situation and our current lowball offers, the Spurs and Rockets somehow believe that they'll get Giannis or Jaylen Brown or another star player if they pass on KD.

To repay their kindness and empathy they're showing us with their offers, IF Beal could be talked into playing with Giannis

I'd absolutely trade him to Milwaukee (if willing) to Milwaukee for Lillard to give them more scoring around Giannis. But to also pacify Giannis to stay longer AND HYPOTHETICALLY SCREW OVER both Texas teams from getting Giannis.

[Sunsdeuce]

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This is exactly what I've been saying though! Currently our assets suck! And our biggest tradable one (KD) is aged and expiring soon. Doing this would get us multiple legitimate assets to work with that have longer windows of control to broker other deals.

Also, the very highest pick we could actually pull in a KD return!!

Gambo said all the players the suns signed/traded for in 2023 were steals and great players (Eubanks, Nurkic, Metu, Gordon, Goodwin, Bates-Diop, Watanabe, etc). But he doesn’t like the (BETTER) players coming to the suns in a possible Toronto trade. Gambo is a maga moron who has unserious sports opinions!

[Jesus_H_Macy]

We're gonna get shafted aren't we....

[BobbieL]

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This is exactly what I've been saying though! Currently our assets suck! And our biggest tradable one (KD) is aged and expiring soon. Doing this would get us multiple legitimate assets to work with that have longer windows of control to broker other deals.

Also, the very highest pick we could actually pull in a KD return!!

Gambo said all the players the suns signed/traded for in 2023 were steals and great players (Eubanks, Nurkic, Metu, Gordon, Goodwin, Bates-Diop, Watanabe, etc). But he doesn’t like the (BETTER) players coming to the suns in a possible Toronto trade. Gambo is a maga moron who has unserious sports opinions!

It is hard to take him and Flex seriously when like you said, the last two summer, they blew so much smoke out their pieholes about how good the Suns were doing in the veteran free agent market and how "players just want to play with KD and Booker."

As you pointed out, not one of the above players worked out. Not one player. So for him to say this is a terrible package -almost like Gambo needs to just stick to reporting what he is told to say as a mouthpiece for the Suns or another team (Ainge and Kidd have used Gambo many years now)

I get both of the Minnesota and Toronto rumored offers. They improve the Suns in the short term and I can see that is the goal of Ishbia.
I didn't realize it but Barrett is still only 24 years old as is Quickley. Too bad they can't work the math to get both of them
But it would take Durant, O'neale and Allen and the Suns can't combo players

[BobbieL]

We're gonna get shafted aren't we....

I think the inexperience of Ishbia and Gregory will be detrimental. They don't see Jalen Green as a good trade piece because of the duplicative position with Booker

Other GMs would be "lets get talent and work with how to best deal with, moving forward.

I think the Suns are focused on PG and C - and I get it. But its still about talent and how that talent can be used to improve the team. Including trades down the road

[Sunsdeuce]

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This is exactly what I've been saying though! Currently our assets suck! And our biggest tradable one (KD) is aged and expiring soon. Doing this would get us multiple legitimate assets to work with that have longer windows of control to broker other deals.

Also, the very highest pick we could actually pull in a KD return!!

Gambo said all the players the suns signed/traded for in 2023 were steals and great players (Eubanks, Nurkic, Metu, Gordon, Goodwin, Bates-Diop, Watanabe, etc). But he doesn’t like the (BETTER) players coming to the suns in a possible Toronto trade. Gambo is a maga moron who has unserious sports opinions!

It is hard to take him and Flex seriously when like you said, the last two summer, they blew so much smoke out their pieholes about how good the Suns were doing in the veteran free agent market and how "players just want to play with KD and Booker."

As you pointed out, not one of the above players worked out. Not one player. So for him to say this is a terrible package -almost like Gambo needs to just stick to reporting what he is told to say as a mouthpiece for the Suns or another team (Ainge and Kidd have used Gambo many years now)

I get both of the Minnesota and Toronto rumored offers. They improve the Suns in the short term and I can see that is the goal of Ishbia.
I didn't realize it but Barrett is still only 24 years old as is Quickley. Too bad they can't work the math to get both of them
But it would take Durant, O'neale and Allen and the Suns can't combo players

Remember when Gambo spread the James Jones is a “for the players GM who will attract players to the suns”. That was total nonsense and proven extremely wrong.

Either way, when the trade goes through we have to be completely honest with our assessments. If it’s a garbage trade, we need to call it that. If it’s decent, let’s call it that.

We already know Gambo is going to call it a win for the suns regardless and Flex will be on twitter telling everyone it’s the best the Suns could do because he has no other conversation pieces.

[BobbieL]

Gambo said all the players the suns signed/traded for in 2023 were steals and great players (Eubanks, Nurkic, Metu, Gordon, Goodwin, Bates-Diop, Watanabe, etc). But he doesn’t like the (BETTER) players coming to the suns in a possible Toronto trade. Gambo is a maga moron who has unserious sports opinions!

It is hard to take him and Flex seriously when like you said, the last two summer, they blew so much smoke out their pieholes about how good the Suns were doing in the veteran free agent market and how "players just want to play with KD and Booker."

As you pointed out, not one of the above players worked out. Not one player. So for him to say this is a terrible package -almost like Gambo needs to just stick to reporting what he is told to say as a mouthpiece for the Suns or another team (Ainge and Kidd have used Gambo many years now)

I get both of the Minnesota and Toronto rumored offers. They improve the Suns in the short term and I can see that is the goal of Ishbia.
I didn't realize it but Barrett is still only 24 years old as is Quickley. Too bad they can't work the math to get both of them
But it would take Durant, O'neale and Allen and the Suns can't combo players

Remember when Gambo spread the James Jones is a “for the players GM who will attract players to the suns”. That was total nonsense and proven extremely wrong.

Either way, when the trade goes through we have to be completely honest with our assessments. If it’s a garbage trade, we need to call it that. If it’s decent, let’s call it that.

We already know Gambo is going to call it a win for the suns regardless and Flex will be on twitter telling everyone it’s the best the Suns could do because he has no other conversation pieces.

Flex will be saying the Suns have other moves down the road - its not a finished product. Trust the Front office

At least Xin Varlock knows he is trolling the fans - so its funny.

And you are right, have to be honest about the trade. I see the Toronto and Minnesota options as high floor, but maybe low ceiling.
Other trades are lower floors but potentially higher ceilings
If only the Clippers were willing to include Zubac

[RaisingArizona]

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That should definitely help them competitively!!

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OH NVM REALGM IS BAD

[BobbieL]

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That should definitely help them competitively!!

bruh says read on X

OH NVM REALGM IS BAD

DeRozan is a good player. Not Durant - but a solid professional scorer in the mid-range

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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This is exactly what I've been saying though! Currently our assets suck! And our biggest tradable one (KD) is aged and expiring soon. Doing this would get us multiple legitimate assets to work with that have longer windows of control to broker other deals.

Also, the very highest pick we could actually pull in a KD return!!

Gambo said all the players the suns signed/traded for in 2023 were steals and great players (Eubanks, Nurkic, Metu, Gordon, Goodwin, Bates-Diop, Watanabe, etc). But he doesn’t like the (BETTER) players coming to the suns in a possible Toronto trade. Gambo is a maga moron who has unserious sports opinions!

It is hard to take him and Flex seriously when like you said, the last two summer, they blew so much smoke out their pieholes about how good the Suns were doing in the veteran free agent market and how "players just want to play with KD and Booker."

As you pointed out, not one of the above players worked out. Not one player. So for him to say this is a terrible package -almost like Gambo needs to just stick to reporting what he is told to say as a mouthpiece for the Suns or another team (Ainge and Kidd have used Gambo many years now)

I get both of the Minnesota and Toronto rumored offers. They improve the Suns in the short term and I can see that is the goal of Ishbia.
I didn't realize it but Barrett is still only 24 years old as is Quickley. Too bad they can't work the math to get both of them
But it would take Durant, O'neale and Allen and the Suns can't combo players

TOR: I like Barrett at SF next to Booker because he rebounds, can drive to the basket and make plays, and doesn't pose as the #1 guy. Poeltl and Gobert would be upgrades at C. Quickley's ok next to Book, but he's not a floor general, so the fit ain't perfect. We've had great luck at #9 in the past. CMB would be my pick, though I haven't looked closely or anything. Hard to imagine we'd pick a guy like Essengue if we're trying to win.

MIN: I think Dillingham is a really good prospect who could flourish in PHX. He and Smith are the most interesting players who have been floated for us. If we're looking to compete next season, Gobert/Dillingham/DVV/#17 is the best offer I've seen. Is there a meaningful drop-off from #9 to #17?

HOU: This may be a minority opinion, but I think Jalen Green is the single best prospect we've been offered. But the fit next to Booker is atrocious - factor in Bradley Beal and it's simply a non-starter. Smartest long-term approach might be to take Green/Smith/FRP and trade Booker elsewhere - or simply trade Booker to HOU and KD elsewhere. The HOU trade may be best in terms of upside potential, but if we can't realize any value from sending Green to a third team, that value disappears. Adding Cam Whitmore to this deal might be nice - we could send Smith to a third team and avoid his extension. But there's a catch with HOU: they have a vested interest in our team failing, so why work with us?

MIA: Honestly, I just don't see it. Wiggins fits next to Booker, but Jovic and Ware aren't moving the needle for me. I think most would argue that Ware is a better prospect than Dillingham, but we'd have to take Rozier back in this deal as well - and he really, really sucks. I'd need a lot of draft capital to consider sending KD to MIA.

SAS: I've cooled my jets on Sochan - he's okay. Vassell's had problems staying on the court, and he's a 2 - we'd have to move him elsewhere. Those two and the #14 are comparable in terms of value to these other deals, but like with Green, we'd have to move Vassell. Are we building or rebuilding? Ultimately we aren't getting anything we want in this deal, with minimal upside. Would require more draft capital for me to consider it.

No matter how you slice it, these offers are a long way from what we gave up for KD. I'm a little surprised there's not a team willing to step up and send us three firsts... though I suppose the issue is that we're not rebuilding, and we want good players AND draft capital, since that's what we gave up.

Since we can't tank, best we can do is try to catch lightning in a bottle with whomever we bring in via a KD trade. As I look at these deals, the only player I could see breaking out with us is Dillingham. If these are everyone's best offer, I take the MIN deal. But all it would take to sway me towards HOU or TOR is another FRP.

Ultimately, I'm guessing the real reason we're having such a hard time getting a deal done is the second apron. Going all-in is expensive, and the second apron is punitive. Teams are wise to be wary of ending up in our position.

Think we'll let this go all the way to the draft? Come July, offers will get worse.

Man, I miss Jerry Colangelo. How time flies.

[Slim Charless]

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This is exactly what I've been saying though! Currently our assets suck! And our biggest tradable one (KD) is aged and expiring soon. Doing this would get us multiple legitimate assets to work with that have longer windows of control to broker other deals.

Also, the very highest pick we could actually pull in a KD return!!

This is the best choice to me by far. Quickly and Peotl make up for our 2 biggest holes and we get the #9? Take the deal and run. The only reason that this isnt done yet is maybe they're trying to let Miami/SAS/Hou up their deals as a way of doing KD a solid. Give the teams that he wants to go to a chance to make it happen.

Otherwise, Durant should've been on a plane to Canada like yesterday.

[BobbieL]

Gambo said all the players the suns signed/traded for in 2023 were steals and great players (Eubanks, Nurkic, Metu, Gordon, Goodwin, Bates-Diop, Watanabe, etc). But he doesn’t like the (BETTER) players coming to the suns in a possible Toronto trade. Gambo is a maga moron who has unserious sports opinions!

It is hard to take him and Flex seriously when like you said, the last two summer, they blew so much smoke out their pieholes about how good the Suns were doing in the veteran free agent market and how "players just want to play with KD and Booker."

As you pointed out, not one of the above players worked out. Not one player. So for him to say this is a terrible package -almost like Gambo needs to just stick to reporting what he is told to say as a mouthpiece for the Suns or another team (Ainge and Kidd have used Gambo many years now)

I get both of the Minnesota and Toronto rumored offers. They improve the Suns in the short term and I can see that is the goal of Ishbia.
I didn't realize it but Barrett is still only 24 years old as is Quickley. Too bad they can't work the math to get both of them
But it would take Durant, O'neale and Allen and the Suns can't combo players

TOR: I like Barrett at SF next to Booker because he rebounds, can drive to the basket and make plays, and doesn't pose as the #1 guy. Poeltl and Gobert would be upgrades at C. Quickley's ok next to Book, but he's not a floor general, so the fit ain't perfect. We've had great luck at #9 in the past. CMB would be my pick, though I haven't looked closely or anything. Hard to imagine we'd pick a guy like Essengue if we're trying to win.

MIN: I think Dillingham is a really good prospect who could flourish in PHX. He and Smith are the most interesting players who have been floated for us. If we're looking to compete next season, Gobert/Dillingham/DVV/#17 is the best offer I've seen. Is there a meaningful drop-off from #9 to #17?

HOU: This may be a minority opinion, but I think Jalen Green is the single best prospect we've been offered. But the fit next to Booker is atrocious - factor in Bradley Beal and it's simply a non-starter. Smartest long-term approach might be to take Green/Smith/FRP and trade Booker elsewhere - or simply trade Booker to HOU and KD elsewhere. The HOU trade may be best in terms of upside potential, but if we can't realize any value from sending Green to a third team, that value disappears. Adding Cam Whitmore to this deal might be nice - we could send Smith to a third team and avoid his extension. But there's a catch with HOU: they have a vested interest in our team failing, so why work with us?

MIA: Honestly, I just don't see it. Wiggins fits next to Booker, but Jovic and Ware aren't moving the needle for me. I think most would argue that Ware is a better prospect than Dillingham, but we'd have to take Rozier back in this deal as well - and he really, really sucks. I'd need a lot of draft capital to consider sending KD to MIA.

SAS: I've cooled my jets on Sochan - he's okay. Vassell's had problems staying on the court, and he's a 2 - we'd have to move him elsewhere. Those two and the #14 are comparable in terms of value to these other deals, but like with Green, we'd have to move Vassell. Are we building or rebuilding? Ultimately we aren't getting anything we want in this deal, with minimal upside. Would require more draft capital for me to consider it.

No matter how you slice it, these offers are a long way from what we gave up for KD. I'm a little surprised there's not a team willing to step up and send us three firsts... though I suppose the issue is that we're not rebuilding, and we want good players AND draft capital, since that's what we gave up.

Since we can't tank, best we can do is try to catch lightning in a bottle with whomever we bring in via a KD trade. As I look at these deals, the only player I could see breaking out with us is Dillingham. If these are everyone's best offer, I take the MIN deal. But all it would take to sway me towards HOU or TOR is another FRP.

Ultimately, I'm guessing the real reason we're having such a hard time getting a deal done is the second apron. Going all-in is expensive, and the second apron is punitive. Teams are wise to be wary of ending up in our position.

Think we'll let this go all the way to the draft? Come July, offers will get worse.

Man, I miss Jerry Colangelo. How time flies.

Good post
And I agree about Green. He might have the most upside but the fit next to Booker is terrible. That said, a good GM could possibly leverage Green in a trade to get other players. What about say Gafford and Klay Thompson to make the math work for the Mavericks


As for the second apron - that was just Ishbia and Barlestein being incompetent with the Beal trade. No excuses - the damn CBA was signed - they just didn't read it

[Saberestar]

The Athletic's Sam Amick on the potential
of Kevin Durant being traded to the
Timberwolves:

"It's up to Kevin.
Minnesota is not gonna play ball until
they get signal that KD wants to play
there. If the messaging continues that KD
[wouldn't extend), the Wolves are not
going to put much on the table."

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/f9waRnEKRf

[Slim Charless]

Another reason why we should trade him to Toronto is it puts him in the east. We're still trying to win, so we shouldn't send him to a west team unless we're being properly paid to do so

[BobbieL]

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This is exactly what I've been saying though! Currently our assets suck! And our biggest tradable one (KD) is aged and expiring soon. Doing this would get us multiple legitimate assets to work with that have longer windows of control to broker other deals.

Also, the very highest pick we could actually pull in a KD return!!

This is the best choice to me by far. Quickly and Peotl make up for our 2 biggest holes and we get the #9? Take the deal and run. The only reason that this isnt done yet is maybe they're trying to let Miami/SAS/Hou up their deals as a way of doing KD a solid. Give the teams that he wants to go to a chance to make it happen.

Otherwise, Durant should've been on a plane to Canada like yesterday.

I am calling my shot today - sort of
Durant to Houston

Jabari Smith and picks to the Suns
Green is also in the deal but he goes to the Mystery Team that I cannot quite figure out
just for grins - to get a Center and Gafford + Klay works math wise post 7/1 for Green
but Klay is duplicative with Booker so where can you ship Klay too -- maybe to Miami for Duncan Robinsons expiring
but Woj said a year ago the Rockets got the Suns picks back and I think that is still the team he goes too

[RaptorLakerJay]

KCP, Cole, Konchar, Edey and two 1st round picks?

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