The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

[Rebound Mound]

What a pity we were deprived of the experience of watching Dominayton go to the Bucks and share time, locker room and desire tom play with Bobby Portis. That would have been fun to live...

[Rebound Mound]

The Rockets are loaded.
Three centers and Sengun,
Then KD and Finney-Smith.
Thomsn and Eason, Whitmore, VV, Holiday, Green...

I can feel someone would be unhappy with the minutes on the floor.

Indeed, Rockets are highly overrated. People don't realize this kind of roster construction never works. Jabari Smith minutes will be capped due to KD, Sengun, Steven Adams, Capela, and Thompson.

Eason? He's barely gonna get more than 15 minutes and he's a legit starter on most teams.

It's gonna be an unhappy bunch alongside a nonchalant don't care mentality KD. This team will crash and burn.

They have a very good head coach who already guided the Celtics.
KD, Adams, VV are there to taught them.
KD and Eason can be SFs. Thomson and Jabari are PFs. Sengun is going to play a lot of PF too. 82 games. 48 minutes. The Tournament. Back to backs.

[dremill24]

I thought Allen had a chance to go to Detroit but it looks like Duncan Robinson will be the target for the Pistons

I'm running out of Allen teams that make sense without jumping through some weird logical hoops.

Hornets for Grant Williams - granted its barely any salary cap savings

I'm not really sure why either team does that to be honest.

[BobbieL]

I'm running out of Allen teams that make sense without jumping through some weird logical hoops.

Hornets for Grant Williams - granted its barely any salary cap savings

I'm not really sure why either team does that to be honest.

Suns do it to get the expiring a year early. Not sure why the Hornets do it

[schnakenpopanz]

Read on Twitter

Lol!

We have seen where the shiü headed with players Booker loved to play wth and vice versa.
It should be in the interest of the team to built the best team possible to win, not to please your stars. that never worked.

[dremill24]

Hornets for Grant Williams - granted its barely any salary cap savings

I'm not really sure why either team does that to be honest.

Suns do it to get the expiring a year early. Not sure why the Hornets do it

If I'm trading him for a guy who isn't gonna play this year i want more savings sooner.

Maybe Miami? Something with Anderson n change?

[Saberestar]

Don't see the Suns getting off Beals contract. No trades available and waive and stretch is bad business. Suns are gonna roll with:

Green/Beal/Gillispie
Booker/Allen/Brea
Brooks/Hayes-Davis/Dunn
O'Neale/Fleming/Ighodaro
Williams/Richards/Maluach

There are gonna be more changes. Jake Fischer said a few minutes ago that our roster is fluid and not done yet.

[TeamTragic]

Don't see the Suns getting off Beals contract. No trades available and waive and stretch is bad business. Suns are gonna roll with:

Green/Beal/Gillispie
Booker/Allen/Brea
Brooks/Hayes-Davis/Dunn
O'Neale/Fleming/Ighodaro
Williams/Richards/Maluach

There are gonna be more changes. Jake Fischer said a few minutes ago that our roster is fluid and not done yet.

What did he say?

[Saberestar]

Don't see the Suns getting off Beals contract. No trades available and waive and stretch is bad business. Suns are gonna roll with:

Green/Beal/Gillispie
Booker/Allen/Brea
Brooks/Hayes-Davis/Dunn
O'Neale/Fleming/Ighodaro
Williams/Richards/Maluach

There are gonna be more changes. Jake Fischer said a few minutes ago that our roster is fluid and not done yet.

What did he say?

I don't know the exact words but that's the concept...we aren't done building the new roster.

[BobbieL]

I'm not really sure why either team does that to be honest.

Suns do it to get the expiring a year early. Not sure why the Hornets do it

If I'm trading him for a guy who isn't gonna play this year i want more savings sooner.

Maybe Miami? Something with Anderson n change?

Well they lost Duncan so maybe they need a shooter

That trade works -- I like it!

[Slim Charless]

Beal gonna stick around. There's a logjam at SG and I just can't see them successfully unloading Allen, Beal, and/or Royce.

I think you unload Richards for 2 second round picks. Think that's easily doable. That'll open up a roster spot for a decent bench POWER FORWARD like Chris Boucher. I think you make Koby Brea start off on 2-way contract in order to have room for a veteran minimum PG such as Chris Paul. Roster depth chart would then be:

G: Green, CP3, Gillespie
G: Book, Allen, Beal
F: Brooks, Dunn, Hayes
F: Royce, Fleming, Boucher
C: Mark, Maluach, Ighodaro

I thought Allen had a chance to go to Detroit but it looks like Duncan Robinson will be the target for the Pistons

I'm running out of Allen teams that make sense without jumping through some weird logical hoops.

SAS?

They have cap room to asorb him I think and a ton of SRPs to use. I'd love to get 3 if possible

[BobbieL]

I thought Allen had a chance to go to Detroit but it looks like Duncan Robinson will be the target for the Pistons

I'm running out of Allen teams that make sense without jumping through some weird logical hoops.

SAS?

They have cap room to asorb him I think and a ton of SRPs to use. I'd love to get 3 if possible

Gerald B just mentioned Brandon Clarke for Grayson Allen
He expires a year earlier than Allen
saves $4m

[bwgood77]

MPJ is a better shooter, but Cam has way way higher BBIQ that Jokic and Murray would love to play alongside with.

And they got Bruce Brown back

Wow

Cam had a 63.2% TS% on a bad team and MPJ has a 61.7% TS% on a great team. They both shot 39% from 3. For their career from 3, MPJr is slightly better from 3 (40.6% vs 39.6%). Cam stays way healthier too which is obviously important.

Actually to the contrary on the health thing. Cam stays way less healthier. Cam was always hurt when he was in Phx. And Cam has never played more than 66 games in a season in his entire career.

Cam games played;
2023-2024: 57
2022-2023: 58
2021-2022: 42

MPj games played;
2023-2024:77
2022-2023: 81
2021-2022: 62

OK, I stand corrected, however I do believe he sat a bit near the end of the the last two seasons for tanking purposes. He sat the last 7 games this past year and 8 of the last 11 the year before, so I think the last two years. I think your years are off (23-24 is actually 24-25, etc)...but I think last year he really could have plaed 64 and the year before, 66.

Though it's still less, and he did have that significant injury his last year with us when most of the entire team was injured except Bridges and Ayton, and because they couldn't carry the team, we traded all we could think of for KD, who was also injured at the time.

[Fo-Real]

Beal is gonna wind up in Golden State somehow. If bought out I mean.

[SkyBill40]

Read on Twitter

Lol!

Riley is in shambles lol

Only because he's laughing so hard.

[Sunsdeuce]

Cam had a 63.2% TS% on a bad team and MPJ has a 61.7% TS% on a great team. They both shot 39% from 3. For their career from 3, MPJr is slightly better from 3 (40.6% vs 39.6%). Cam stays way healthier too which is obviously important.

Actually to the contrary on the health thing. Cam stays way less healthier. Cam was always hurt when he was in Phx. And Cam has never played more than 66 games in a season in his entire career.

Cam games played;
2023-2024: 57
2022-2023: 58
2021-2022: 42

MPj games played;
2023-2024:77
2022-2023: 81
2021-2022: 62

OK, I stand corrected, however I do believe he sat a bit near the end of the the last two seasons for tanking purposes. He sat the last 7 games this past year and 8 of the last 11 the year before, so I think the last two years. I think your years are off (23-24 is actually 24-25, etc)...but I think last year he really could have plaed 64 and the year before, 66.

Though it's still less, and he did have that significant injury his last year with us when most of the entire team was injured except Bridges and Ayton, and because they couldn't carry the team, we traded all we could think of for KD, who was also injured at the time.

Either way, I am not a fan of either of them. Cam was part of the reason we lost in the finals. The Bucks just bullied him. Cam was too weak to play PF and too slow to play SF. Cam gets bullied too easily. Which is why I didn’t want him back.

[lilfishi22]

First...we got Mark Williams AND 2029 Suns 2nd for Micic + #29 + 2029 FRP (superlow because it will be the worst of 3-4 teams).

That trade is AMAZING. We got him literally for no one (Micic is gonna play in Europe next year) + #29.

In 2029 we just downgraded from #25+ to (probably) #40+.

Health issues..of course...but this guy is 23 years old and putting already 15/10/2.5 numbers and he keeps improving so it's high reward acquisition and the price was really low.

I am pretty happy with the trade and I was suggesting to get him in 26th April. Here is my post where I was giving up a bit more for him in a trade this offseason:

Doesn't really address the value points

1. Cost us 2 FRPs for an injury prone (at 23) player and also introduced redundancy at the C position. Richards would've been a really good placeholder C until Maluach is ready. Even if Richards isn't a factor, you still have 2 guys at the 5 who I anticipate either of which could be the C of the future. Maybe the price tag was low for a reason but I'm not completely convinced that was a value move.
2. It essentially cost us 4 SRPs to buy a single SRP. Granted it's the #1 pick in the 2nd round but Fleming was also available at #29. Again, I like the player we took but there are certainly shades of an Ishbia move here, throwing all of these assets to get the guy he wants.
3. Even if you don't consider either the 4 SRPs or the 2 FRPs to be good on their own, there are opportunity costs because they may have been useful in other moves eg getting off Beal

Essentially, if we didn't do that one Mark Williams trade, we would still have Maluach, we would still have Fleming and we would still have 4 SRPs and 2029 FRP

1. "Cost us 2 FRPs". That sounds pretty far away from reality.

It was specifically the #29 in 2025 and the the least favorable of Cleveland, Utah and Minnesota in 2029. And we get our own 2nd in 2029 back in the trade.

We traded away superlow draft capital in this trade.

You saw Richards on the Suns. He isn't any good. Superlow basketball IQ, doesn't protect the rim, look at his +/- . Decent backup C AT BEST.

On the other hand Mark Williams is a good starting C on the rise. The difference between them is HUGE, you can't say that it's about the same.

And Maluach isn't even 19 years old. We need to bring him slowly and a backup role is perfect for his rookie season.

2) 2nds are for that, to facilitate trades to get actual players. Fleming was hands down the BPA.

3)We have NOW 3 2nds available to use in any trade.

How is 2 FRP far from reality when that's exactly what we traded away? Is #29 and 2029 FRP not first round picks or has the definition of first round picks changed ? We got a 2nd back so I'll call it even at 1.5 FRP.

But I think the crux of my point is that we didn't need to do this. Fleming was available at #29. And where you said we no have 3 seconds, we could have 6 to use in any trade and still have Fleming.

Overall just a poor use of our assets quite frankly.

[lilfishi22]

Dame was stretched and waived

the dream has died

Read on Twitter

I truly would be okay if Beal is waived - just not stretched

Scary. Just gives Ishbia more precedent to stretch a $100m plus salary (assuming he can get Beal to give a bit of money back)

[lilfishi22]

Pacers are such a disappointment...

They aren't even close to the 2nd apron even with a resigned Turner. They are like $40m under the 2nd apron and Turner's deal is like just under $27m average. I do wonder if it's just a matter of Hali's injury pushing their window back and Turner having a pretty poor Finals series

[lilfishi22]

Wow Dame waived and stretched to pick up Myles Turner

I am pretty sure that the Suns would have done the same with Beal if not for that dead money from Nassir Little.

Ayton, Clarkson, Cole Anthony, Lillard...the list goes on and on.

We will see if there are some Beal news today or tomorrow.

Thank god Isbhia blew his load early on Little