Is Kieff dogging it?

SAKURABA216 · Post #321 » by **SAKURABA216** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:11 pm

I hope he ends up being traded to the Pistons. It would probably take trading Ersan to you guys, but if we could do it without including him it would help us out a lot.

aewyatt7 · Post #322 » by **aewyatt7** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 8:24 pm

SAKURABA216 wrote:I hope he ends up being traded to the Pistons. It would probably take trading Ersan to you guys, but if we could do it without including him it would help us out a lot.

No sir. No way our FO does that. Unless we got first rd or something.

Damkac · Post #323 » by **Damkac** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:43 pm

So Pistons fans really want to reunite the twins? You guys like to have problems

FrozenIceCubes · Post #324 » by **FrozenIceCubes** » Tue Sep 1, 2015 1:57 am

Even though It's smart for the Suns FO to remain resilent and patient in finding good value for Kieff.. I'm still shocked he hasn't been traded yet. it's been well over a month since his trade demand and with basketball 1 month away it's the absolute best alternative to find the best trade value possible and trade him off the Suns can't take on the risk of keeping him on the team and in the process creating tensions during the season.. Am I wrong or right?

Post #325 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Sep 1, 2015 2:00 am

FrozenIceCubes wrote:Even though It's smart for the Suns FO to remain resilent and patient in finding good value for Kieff.. I'm still shocked he hasn't been traded yet. it's been well over a month since his trade demand and with basketball 1 month away it's the absolute best alternative to find the best trade value possible and trade him off the Suns can't take on the risk of keeping him on the team and in the process creating tensions during the season.. Am I wrong or right?

You'll see a lot of opinions talked about in the offseason thread. Quite a few more late today...I just posted a few posts ago in the offseason thread that I think his value is at a low point and will only go up, and if they don't have a good offer I expect them to wait for one.

Here is a link to the thread. viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1403816&start=640

FrozenIceCubes · Post #326 » by **FrozenIceCubes** » Tue Sep 1, 2015 3:24 am

The Suns are doing a smart thing by waiting but we Laker fans thought the same thing when the Lakers were trying to find value for Pau for 4 years until the Lakers lost him and gained zero cent.

Not sure what the Suns were thinking in trading away Morris and expecting some sort of understanding. The Suns need to find common ground and sense and just try to find a new home for Morris... I know he's a good player but the fact that there have been no official trade proposal for Kieff sounds very weird...

Post #327 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Sep 1, 2015 3:48 am

FrozenIceCubes wrote:The Suns are doing a smart thing by waiting but we Laker fans thought the same thing when the Lakers were trying to find value for Pau for 4 years until the Lakers lost him and gained zero cent.

Not sure what the Suns were thinking in trading away Morris and expecting some sort of understanding. The Suns need to find common ground and sense and just try to find a new home for Morris... I know he's a good player but the fact that there have been no official trade proposal for Kieff sounds very weird...

Gasol also had a significantly larger contract which meant the number of teams looking to trade for him is rather limited and he was on the wrong side of 30. A lot harder to move than a productive young PF on $8m a year in a rising salary cap situation.

The best thing for Kieff is to play hard, raise his value, earn back our respect and work with us to get traded to a good situation.

FrozenIceCubes · Post #328 » by **FrozenIceCubes** » Tue Sep 1, 2015 4:03 am

You are right. Kieff has a great value contract and is only gonna Improve.

If Kevin Pelton actually knows something about Randle being traded for Kieff I would pull the trigger if am the Lakers.. Kieff has a good chance to be a 20/10 player soon while Randle is a question mark with high potential.

NTB · Post #329 » by **NTB** » Tue Sep 1, 2015 2:17 pm

FrozenIceCubes wrote:You are right. Kieff has a great value contract and is only gonna Improve.

If Kevin Pelton actually knows something about Randle being traded for Kieff I would pull the trigger if am the Lakers.. Kieff has a good chance to be a 20/10 player soon while Randle is a question mark with high potential.

Markieff can never average 10 rebounds per game in an entire season.

Post #330 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Sep 1, 2015 2:30 pm

NTB wrote:
FrozenIceCubes wrote:You are right. Kieff has a great value contract and is only gonna Improve.

If Kevin Pelton actually knows something about Randle being traded for Kieff I would pull the trigger if am the Lakers.. Kieff has a good chance to be a 20/10 player soon while Randle is a question mark with high potential.

Markieff can never average 10 rebounds per game in an entire season.

With so many stretch 4s on opposing teams, it's increasing tougher for ANY PF to average 10 boards a season. Especially since so many teams go small, and the great rebounding PFs may come out. Only 10 players averaged over 10 last year, and most were centers, and the PFs likely never covered the stretch fours. Most of the PFs play a lot at center and also most of the PFs only BARELY got over 10.

Rebounds Per Game Leaders - Qualified
RPG
1 DeAndre Jordan, C 15.0
2 Andre Drummond, C 13.5
3 DeMarcus Cousins, C 12.7
4 Pau Gasol, PF 11.8
5 Tyson Chandler, C 11.5
6 Nikola Vucevic, C 10.9
7 Zach Randolph, PF 10.5
8 Anthony Davis, PF 10.2
9 LaMarcus Aldridge, PF 10.2
10 Greg Monroe, C 10.2

suns91fan · Post #331 » by **suns91fan** » Tue Sep 1, 2015 3:03 pm

NTB wrote:
FrozenIceCubes wrote:You are right. Kieff has a great value contract and is only gonna Improve.

If Kevin Pelton actually knows something about Randle being traded for Kieff I would pull the trigger if am the Lakers.. Kieff has a good chance to be a 20/10 player soon while Randle is a question mark with high potential.

Markieff can never average 10 rebounds per game in an entire season.

It's all about a situation you're in and overall effort you make (which includes sacrificing some game aspects over the others). Some teams box-out poorly (like Suns) and in turn have rebounds spread more evenly to all players in the team. On the other hand, teams who box-out nicely, usually have most of the rebounds shared between their bigs.

Best example is LMA's rebounding numbers from early days, and his numbers now. It's a drastic change, and not all of it should be credited to his personal improvement. Team changed as well.

Since Chandler is here now, he will likely improve team's boxing-out, and it will be interesting to see how it affects individual rebounding numbers of Suns players.

jcsunsfan · Post #332 » by **jcsunsfan** » Tue Sep 1, 2015 8:14 pm

FrozenIceCubes wrote:The Suns are doing a smart thing by waiting but we Laker fans thought the same thing when the Lakers were trying to find value for Pau for 4 years until the Lakers lost him and gained zero cent.

Not sure what the Suns were thinking in trading away Morris and expecting some sort of understanding. The Suns need to find common ground and sense and just try to find a new home for Morris... I know he's a good player but the fact that there have been no official trade proposal for Kieff sounds very weird...

Also, Pau was an upcoming FA. Markieff is not.

SAKURABA216 · Post #333 » by **SAKURABA216** » Tue Sep 1, 2015 11:51 pm

aewyatt7 wrote:
SAKURABA216 wrote:I hope he ends up being traded to the Pistons. It would probably take trading Ersan to you guys, but if we could do it without including him it would help us out a lot.

No sir. No way our FO does that. Unless we got first rd or something.

As a Pistons fan I would totally do it, but then again I am admittedly a complete idiot when it comes to trading away our 1st round draft picks. I was all in favor of trading our 1st round pick last year for Wilson Chandler who I felt would have catapulted our team into the playoffs and that pick ended up becoming Stanley Johnson who I now feel is perfect for our team lol.

If we somehow manage to pry Kieff from you guys I will send you and 10 other people from Arizona a pizza. Your state would have given us Stanley Johnson and both Morris boys to revamp our team in the wake of the Monroe fiasco and our fanbase will owe the state of Arizona our gratitude. :winkgrin:

SAKURABA216 · Post #334 » by **SAKURABA216** » Tue Sep 1, 2015 11:56 pm

Damkac wrote:So Pistons fans really want to reunite the twins? You guys like to have problems

Lol I don't speak for the entire board, but I'm pretty desperate to improve our 4 spot and think the twins have the potential to complement Drummond nicely. I think the rest of the board doesn't want to deal with the drama, but I think this type of a move has a chance of improving our roster. It would certainly make thing a lot more exciting. I was pretty disappointed by our off-season acquisitions. We went from hoping we could sign Draymond Green to signing a bunch of cast-offs and left-for-deads.

Post #335 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Sep 2, 2015 12:31 am

SAKURABA216 wrote:
Damkac wrote:So Pistons fans really want to reunite the twins? You guys like to have problems

Lol I don't speak for the entire board, but I'm pretty desperate to improve our 4 spot and think the twins have the potential to complement Drummond nicely. I think the rest of the board doesn't want to deal with the drama, but I think this type of a move has a chance of improving our roster. It would certainly make thing a lot more exciting. I was pretty disappointed by our off-season acquisitions. We went from hoping we could sign Draymond Green to signing a bunch of cast-offs and left-for-deads.

A change of scenery could do them both some good and they seem to respect Sheed who seem to be around the Pistons guys, so it could be a good thing.

Also sick nickname!

Suns2k5 · Post #336 » by **Suns2k5** » Wed Sep 2, 2015 1:24 am

http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2015/09/01/common-markieff-morris-trade

Markieff to Ro kets?

letsgosuns · Post #337 » by **letsgosuns** » Wed Sep 2, 2015 1:43 am

Suns2k5 wrote:http://m.tmz.com/#Article/2015/09/01/common-markieff-morris-trade

Markieff to Ro kets?

That link did not work for me but this one does: http://www.tmz.com/2015/09/01/common-markieff-morris-trade/

If that is Markieff then it seems like the writing is on the wall, especially with this article: http://en.yibada.com/articles/59109/20150901/nba-trade-rumors-suns-rockets-close-reaching-markieff-morris-terrence.htm

No idea if that website is credible though.

plonden · Post #338 » by **plonden** » Wed Sep 2, 2015 2:12 am

I haven't seen any of the heavyweights (Woj, Stein, Spears, etc.) mention anything along those lines yet. Might just be speculation. But Terrence Jones would be a nice return for Kief. I especially like that he's becoming a stretch four. His three point percentage has increased in each of his three seasons in the NBA: from 26.3% to 30.7% to a respectable 35.1% last season. I'd still prefer Donatas Montiejunas, but Jones would fit nicely as well.

plonden · Post #339 » by **plonden** » Wed Sep 2, 2015 3:01 am

Well, this is interesting (assuming it is Markieff, and not Marcus)...
[tweet]https://twitter.com/common/status/638764600373178368[/tweet]
But Terrence Jones is also in that picture. And for the record, Common can ball. He's played in some of the celebrity games during All-Star Weekend.

Post #340 » by **lilfishi22** » Wed Sep 2, 2015 3:34 am

My only reservation with Jones is he's coming up for a new deal after next season. So that's another offseason trying to resign one of our young guys. Otherwise I think it would be good value. Although I think Rockets would have to throw in something else to match salary?