Trade Deadline Countdown....December 2015

kennydorglas · Post #321 » by **kennydorglas** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:58 pm

I think we're very close to buying Kieff out.
And everyone knows how well this went for Detroit (they're even getting bandwagon fans now kkkk)

LukasBMW · Post #322 » by **LukasBMW** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:59 pm

Sarver is still a clown and a cheap ass. He's done nothing positive since taking over. The only positive things he did were during the 2004 ownership change transition when Jerry was still actually running ****.

The assets left over from Colangelo (Nash, Amare, Stat, JJ, Q-rich) were completely squandered like a rich spoiled brat taking his dad's $50 million trust fund inheritance and turning it into $15 million.

McDonough is smart, but he needs to be a little less open about his intentions for acquiring and exchanging assets. He also needs to pull the trigger sooner on deals. If he had just traded IT sooner last year and Keef sooner this year, we'd be in much better shape.

If the rumor floaing here is true that McDonough WANTED to move Keef already but SARVER stoped him...good god.

**** you Robert Sarver. **** you and your ginger ass hair and foam finger.

RaisingArizona · Post #323 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:03 pm

SF88 wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:Can't wait to hear what Gambo says today about this all.

Probably talks more about the Cardinals and rightfully so after what they did yesterday.

Vacationing with his hot fiancé. FML

RunDogGun · Post #324 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:37 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Sarver is still a clown and a cheap ass. He's done nothing positive since taking over. The only positive things he did were during the 2004 ownership change transition when Jerry was still actually running ****.

The assets left over from Colangelo (Nash, Amare, Stat, JJ, Q-rich) were completely squandered like a rich spoiled brat taking his dad's $50 million trust fund inheritance and turning it into $15 million.

McDonough is smart, but he needs to be a little less open about his intentions for acquiring and exchanging assets. He also needs to pull the trigger sooner on deals. If he had just traded IT sooner last year and Keef sooner this year, we'd be in much better shape.

If the rumor floaing here is true that McDonough WANTED to move Keef already but SARVER stoped him...good god.

**** you Robert Sarver. **** you and your ginger ass hair and foam finger.

He hasn't been cheap, that is just false. He has made poor choices on who to get basketball advice from, and choosing GMs, besides McD, who has done a good job so far. As far as him trading guys when he did, with zero knowledge of what was out there for trades, it makes it impossible to judge whether he made the right choice, right?

It could be worse, Sarver could have almost bankrupted the team and sold the team to another state.

Saberestar · Post #325 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:56 pm

Lot of posturing out there about Markieff Morris trade value, but several teams still really like the 3-4 combo forward w/good contract.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisMannixSI/status/681501497234993152

Post #326 » by **rsavaj** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:14 pm

I don't think Sarver's "cheap" so much as penny-wise and pound-foolish. Splurged on players he shouldn't have; didn't open his wallet when he should've.

He went over the lux tax threshold a few times during our SSOL years.

Weemsickew14 · Post #327 » by **Weemsickew14** » Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:43 pm

letsgosuns wrote:Don't you guys want to see what the young guys like Booker and and Goodwin have to offer? This is the perfect time if there ever was one. Bledsoe is out for a while and the season is done. Now some of you guys want to bring in a 5'11" Ty Lawson who has DUI problems and not played well in a long time. What is this infatuation with small, selfish point guards? Has the organization's psychotic dual point guard mentality seeped into your brains?

Seriously some of you guys might pass up players like Jordan, Kobe, or Drexler because you would rather have a point guard playing the two guard. When are people gonna wake up. Two point guard lineups do not want championships. And when has a team with a point guard as small as Lawson or Thomas ever won? This is crazy what is happening to the fan base. People want to bring in another small point guard. Idk what to say anymore. Having a small backcourt that cannot play defense is a disaster.

Ty Lawson isn't selfish... He's had many seasons with about 10 assists per game. He can pass unlike our guards. Opens up the whole offense. Low risk high reward

BobbieL · Post #328 » by **BobbieL** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:19 am

rsavaj wrote:I don't think Sarver's "cheap" so much as penny-wise and pound-foolish. Splurged on players he shouldn't have; didn't open his wallet when he should've.

He went over the lux tax threshold a few times during our SSOL years.

not cheap at all - just fiscally stupid

like passing on both Rondo and Sergio Rodriquez - for $3m of cash each but than paying Marcus Banks 21/5 when two guys on rookie deals plus not getting 6m in cash was still a better deal than Banks.

Or he didn't sign a Amare but than signed guys like Warrick, and Childress, traded for Hedo - that were a ton of cash and not just one year deals

As for the Suns, trade Kieff; trade him as soon as possible

If somebody wants Tyson - sure

letsgosuns · Post #329 » by **letsgosuns** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:30 am

Weemsickew14 wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:Don't you guys want to see what the young guys like Booker and and Goodwin have to offer? This is the perfect time if there ever was one. Bledsoe is out for a while and the season is done. Now some of you guys want to bring in a 5'11" Ty Lawson who has DUI problems and not played well in a long time. What is this infatuation with small, selfish point guards? Has the organization's psychotic dual point guard mentality seeped into your brains?

Seriously some of you guys might pass up players like Jordan, Kobe, or Drexler because you would rather have a point guard playing the two guard. When are people gonna wake up. Two point guard lineups do not want championships. And when has a team with a point guard as small as Lawson or Thomas ever won? This is crazy what is happening to the fan base. People want to bring in another small point guard. Idk what to say anymore. Having a small backcourt that cannot play defense is a disaster.
Ty Lawson isn't selfish... He's had many seasons with about 10 assists per game. He can pass unlike our guards. Opens up the whole offense. Low risk high reward

Uhh what? He has never had a season with 10 assists per game. His career is 6.4 assists per game.

Revived · Post #330 » by **Revived** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:53 am

Sarver's a very selfish and stubborn owner. He's not willing to accept that you need to be awful to be great. Instead he wants to become great from constantly being mediocre. He doesn't understand that the top 10 players in the NBA, LeBron, Curry, Westbrook, Durant, Cousins, Griffin, Davis, Bosh, Harden, and CP3 were all mostly top 5 picks and at worst top 7 picks.

The fact that he doesn't want to commit to a true rebuild is his biggest problem.

Cutter · Post #331 » by **Cutter** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:58 am

letsgosuns wrote:
Weemsickew14 wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:Don't you guys want to see what the young guys like Booker and and Goodwin have to offer? This is the perfect time if there ever was one. Bledsoe is out for a while and the season is done. Now some of you guys want to bring in a 5'11" Ty Lawson who has DUI problems and not played well in a long time. What is this infatuation with small, selfish point guards? Has the organization's psychotic dual point guard mentality seeped into your brains?

Seriously some of you guys might pass up players like Jordan, Kobe, or Drexler because you would rather have a point guard playing the two guard. When are people gonna wake up. Two point guard lineups do not want championships. And when has a team with a point guard as small as Lawson or Thomas ever won? This is crazy what is happening to the fan base. People want to bring in another small point guard. Idk what to say anymore. Having a small backcourt that cannot play defense is a disaster.
Ty Lawson isn't selfish... He's had many seasons with about 10 assists per game. He can pass unlike our guards. Opens up the whole offense. Low risk high reward

Uhh what? He has never had a season with 10 assists per game. His career is 6.4 assists per game.

In 2014-15 Ty Lawson started 75 games as PG for the Nuggets and averaged 9.6 assists per game. Ty Lawson is a very good PG and seems to have always had great games against the Suns.

TeamTragic · Post #332 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 3:31 am

LukasBMW wrote:Sarver is still a clown and a cheap ass. He's done nothing positive since taking over. The only positive things he did were during the 2004 ownership change transition when Jerry was still actually running ****.

The assets left over from Colangelo (Nash, Amare, Stat, JJ, Q-rich) were completely squandered like a rich spoiled brat taking his dad's $50 million trust fund inheritance and turning it into $15 million.

McDonough is smart, but he needs to be a little less open about his intentions for acquiring and exchanging assets. He also needs to pull the trigger sooner on deals. If he had just traded IT sooner last year and Keef sooner this year, we'd be in much better shape.

If the rumor floaing here is true that McDonough WANTED to move Keef already but SARVER stoped him...good god.

**** you Robert Sarver. **** you and your ginger ass hair and foam finger.

Wait....what rumor? This just keeps getting worse by the second :noway:

SF88 wrote:Sarver's a very selfish and stubborn owner. He's not willing to accept that you need to be awful to be great. Instead he wants to become great from constantly being mediocre. He doesn't understand that the top 10 players in the NBA, LeBron, Curry, Westbrook, Durant, Cousins, Griffin, Davis, Bosh, Harden, and CP3 were all mostly top 5 picks and at worst top 7 picks.

The fact that he doesn't want to commit to a true rebuild is his biggest problem.

How can I put this nicely. Sarver has a massive ego from the SSOL/Nash days and he thinks he put that team together. He is delusional as **** because once that era was over he was left with no youth and a garbage coach. That is why this team has no future and is currently imploding on a massive scale.

Weemsickew14 · Post #333 » by **Weemsickew14** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:32 am

letsgosuns wrote:
Weemsickew14 wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:Don't you guys want to see what the young guys like Booker and and Goodwin have to offer? This is the perfect time if there ever was one. Bledsoe is out for a while and the season is done. Now some of you guys want to bring in a 5'11" Ty Lawson who has DUI problems and not played well in a long time. What is this infatuation with small, selfish point guards? Has the organization's psychotic dual point guard mentality seeped into your brains?

Seriously some of you guys might pass up players like Jordan, Kobe, or Drexler because you would rather have a point guard playing the two guard. When are people gonna wake up. Two point guard lineups do not want championships. And when has a team with a point guard as small as Lawson or Thomas ever won? This is crazy what is happening to the fan base. People want to bring in another small point guard. Idk what to say anymore. Having a small backcourt that cannot play defense is a disaster.
Ty Lawson isn't selfish... He's had many seasons with about 10 assists per game. He can pass unlike our guards. Opens up the whole offense. Low risk high reward

Uhh what? He has never had a season with 10 assists per game. His career is 6.4 assists per game.

He's had one with 9.8 so 10 one with 9 and 2 with 7.

letsgosuns · Post #334 » by **letsgosuns** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 4:37 am

Weemsickew14 wrote:
letsgosuns wrote:
Weemsickew14 wrote: Ty Lawson isn't selfish... He's had many seasons with about 10 assists per game. He can pass unlike our guards. Opens up the whole offense. Low risk high reward

Uhh what? He has never had a season with 10 assists per game. His career is 6.4 assists per game.

He's had one with 9.8 so 10 one with 9 and 2 with 7.

Well you have to round up to get one season with 10 assists. And it was 9.6, not 9.8. Anyway, you said "he's had many seasons with about 10 assists per game." Yet he has never even officially had one season with 10 or more assists per game. Based on what you said, I was expecting him to have 4-5 seasons of 10 or more assists per game. He has not even done it once. He has not done anything close to what you said.

DRK · Post #335 » by **DRK** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 5:14 am

Player Assists are a bad way to measure how much ball movement a team has.

thamadkant · Post #336 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:40 am

DRK wrote:Player Assists are a bad way to measure how much ball movement a team has.

But Team Assists do.

Weemsickew14 · Post #337 » by **Weemsickew14** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:31 am

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q5b7497
Honestly... Don't hate this. Gives us someone who can score on the block. Rids us of chandlers contract

asudevil · Post #338 » by **asudevil** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:32 am

Well.....with Bledsoe gone one of my hopes is gone as well. I really wanted us to trade either Bledsoe/Knight (preferably Knight). But we are stuck with what we have now.....unless Bledsoe goes the way of Wade and gets that meniscus removed. I honestly dont think its worth it at this point for him to rush a return.

BUT....there is a bright side. With Bledsoe out this allows us, or better yet FORCES us, to move to a more conventional lineup. Booker will get a ton more playing time....and likewise i really hope Archie sees minutes (instead of Weems).

DRK · Post #339 » by **DRK** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:32 am

1UPZ wrote:
DRK wrote:Player Assists are a bad way to measure how much ball movement a team has.

But Team Assists do.

100% my point. I dont care if Lawson has averaged 10 assists a game or not. Its not a good barometer on determining his ability to play within a system predicated on ball movement

Weemsickew14 · Post #340 » by **Weemsickew14** » Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:50 am

Okay this may be crazy but what if trading Bledsoe is the way to go? The value we could get out of him is much higher than what we could get from knight. We need to face the truth... The 2 Pg system stinks. Also, on the plus side, we could unleash Booker. Although Knight gets a lot of hate he's a good player and he's only 24. Give him a break. Once he matures and grows out of the dumb mistakes and learns to become more of a facilitator. We seem to always get on Knights ass for not passing but Bled is not much better if not worse. If we added a star pf with our Bledsoe return; this team could be in business in a couple of years. Targets I would like to take a look into would be: Jabari, randle, an assortment of the magics young talent or any other young talented players. Just my opinion don't abuse me