Trade Deadline Countdown....What will we do? What should we do?

[thamadkant]

Jordan Mcrae is 6'4 without shoes and has 7 feet wingspan... GEEZ.

[RunDogGun]

Suns are planning to sign Delaware's Jordan McRae to a 10-day contract, league sources tell Yahoo. McRae scored D-League record 61 points.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/692543050980130816

He also grabbed 11 rebounds and dished out seven dimes. That's one hell of a game.

[nevetsov]

We'll probably just dredge the D-League guard rotation (Cotton, Brown, now this guy) looking for value until Knight comes back, because we don't want to sign anyone to a full season.

[8on]

he looks really good.

don't know if anyone heard, but McD went on Burns and Gambo and predicted that we would make "at least one trade." sounds like he has one in mind

[bwgood77]

There have been a bunch of trades with Phx in them posted to the Trade forum in the last 4 hours so you may want to chime in. I posted one of AtheJ415's variations of a Love trade there, but didn't attach his name in case he didn't want to be lambasted (if that happens)....but of course take credit if you want or argue the arguments.

They can be somewhat strict there so if you do visit there post respectfully.

viewforum.php?f=2

[thamadkant]

Suns / Nets

Knight, Morris, Weems
For
Johnson, Young, Hollis Jefferson

The key is converting Knight for Young.

Suns / Bulls

Tucker for first rounder


Then in the off season

Suns / Spurs

Chandler for TPE and Late first
Chandler replaces Duncan

[Mulhollanddrive]

Just heard McDonough on the radio.

Played his cards close to his chest as usual.

I suspect he's hedging his bets as that's basically what our strategy is anyway.

Seems enthusiastic about a potential top 5 pick.

Nobody asks him about the big picture, always about a meaningless game the night before.

[thamadkant]

How to secure a top 4 pick... Top 2 really.

[kennydorglas]

Suns are planning to sign Delaware's Jordan McRae to a 10-day contract, league sources tell Yahoo. McRae scored D-League record 61 points.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/692543050980130816

This guy is good. Prolific scorer

[carey]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3WGCURH3qs[/youtube]

The other team plays Suns-level defense. Jeez.

[MrMiyagi]

Suns / Nets

Knight, Morris, Weems
For
Johnson, Young, Hollis Jefferson

The key is converting Knight for Young.

Suns / Bulls

Tucker for first rounder


Then in the off season

Suns / Spurs

Chandler for TPE and Late first
Chandler replaces Duncan

Man, I love me some Rondae, but I am not making that trade with the Nets......

[saintEscaton]

Suns / Nets

Knight, Morris, Weems
For
Johnson, Young, Hollis Jefferson

The key is converting Knight for Young.

Suns / Bulls

Tucker for first rounder


Then in the off season

Suns / Spurs

Chandler for TPE and Late first
Chandler replaces Duncan

Man, I love me some Rondae, but I am not making that trade with the Nets......

We should troll by asking for the Nets' unprotected 2019 pick but they can't trade it away due to the Stepien Rule, Anyways Knight isn't gunna get you much of a return by himself. Clearing cap space isn't the top priority and we probably shouldn't deal our assets just for expirings.

[RunDogGun]

Suns / Nets

Knight, Morris, Weems
For
Johnson, Young, Hollis Jefferson

The key is converting Knight for Young.

Suns / Bulls

Tucker for first rounder


Then in the off season

Suns / Spurs

Chandler for TPE and Late first
Chandler replaces Duncan

Man, I love me some Rondae, but I am not making that trade with the Nets......

Weems was too much?

[jcsunsfan]

Spoiler:

Cavs and the city of Cleveland haven't won very much lately. I think since 1954.

The Cavs have been beaten by the Warriors and Spurs pretty badly

Its pretty easy to explain why Love for Knight/Kieff makes some sense for the Cavs

Love is not being use properly

The Cavs have a lot of BIGS costing a lot of Dan Gilberts money that do not match up against against GSW and the Spurs

Maybe the Cavs don't need Knight but Kieff would fit very well. Just making the cap and names work

One thing about Knight - counting on Iman Shumpert and JR Smith as your two guards to score is risky. Knight probably would be less risky.

How does Kieff fit in well, exactly? His .410 eFG%? His .439 TS%? His -.68 WS%? His 'big baby' attitude? His pending assault charge? Why, when Cleveland could look at a number of other PFs to trade for, why Kieff? Has anyone wathed Kieff this year? I mean, at all? How is he worth $8M per for the next 3.5 years?

Everyone here suggesting that Kieff + (whatever package) for Love has yet to explain why exactly, Cleveland would choose to go after Kieff. If I'm Cleveland, and I'm looking to the Suns for a PF, I'm asking for Leuer first, Teletovic second, Len third, and then, and only then...wait, no, not even then am I asking for Kieff.

I am just flabbergasted that anyone here thinks a GM is going to call up McD and ask if Kieff is available for a trade. What's going to happen is, a GM is going to call up and ask for, in order, Booker, Len, Warren, Tucker, Leuer, Mirza, and THEN maybe Knight or Chandler. Then when a deal is about made, McD will ask "What would it take for you to take Kieff, as well?" And to that, they'll reply, "You can have X player (read=scrub) that we have signed for 4 more years and can't get out from under, and then we'll need Cleveland's 2016 1st, and your 2016 2nd. For that, we'll take Kieff off your hands." To which, McD wll reply..."SOLD!!"

Honestly, folks, you need to step away from the proverbial 'crack pipe', and recognize that Kieff is JUNK this year...he isn't 2013-2014, 18 PER, Kieff...he isn't 2014-2015, 16 PER, Kieff...he's 2015-2016, 9 PER Kieff, that we are paying $8M for.

Kieff is trash. NOBODY is calling for Kieff as the target; if Kieff gets traded, it's because he's a throw-in part of a different deal.

And Knight? Again, why would anyone call up for the pleasure to pay $14M per, for the next 4+ years for Knight's mediocre services. A GM can get his production and efficiency for less money on a shorter deal; why on earth would a GM want that albatross hanging off his neck.

And Chandler? Same principle. What GM is thinking to himself, "You know what? I think I DO want to pay Chandler $13M in 2019 when he's 37 years old. Because, well, I can't find that kind of 'Rim Protection' somewhere else on a shorter deal."

I just do not get how anyone here thinks that any of these three guys are a hot commodity. We aren't the only team with assets for sale, and the assets we DO have that are worth anything, McD isn't going to want to trade...Len, Booker, Warren, or heck, even Tucker is more palatable, as we are only paying him $5.5M for another season after this one. Or if a team wants scoring, they'll look for Leuer or Teletovic, but

Thank you for being the voice of reason, Nav. This is getting out of hand....

It's not reason, it's reactionary negativity spoofing itself as reason. Negativism sounds more intelligent to some people but that does not make it more accurate.



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[NavLDO]

Spoiler:

How does Kieff fit in well, exactly? His .410 eFG%? His .439 TS%? His -.68 WS%? His 'big baby' attitude? His pending assault charge? Why, when Cleveland could look at a number of other PFs to trade for, why Kieff? Has anyone wathed Kieff this year? I mean, at all? How is he worth $8M per for the next 3.5 years?

Everyone here suggesting that Kieff + (whatever package) for Love has yet to explain why exactly, Cleveland would choose to go after Kieff. If I'm Cleveland, and I'm looking to the Suns for a PF, I'm asking for Leuer first, Teletovic second, Len third, and then, and only then...wait, no, not even then am I asking for Kieff.

I am just flabbergasted that anyone here thinks a GM is going to call up McD and ask if Kieff is available for a trade. What's going to happen is, a GM is going to call up and ask for, in order, Booker, Len, Warren, Tucker, Leuer, Mirza, and THEN maybe Knight or Chandler. Then when a deal is about made, McD will ask "What would it take for you to take Kieff, as well?" And to that, they'll reply, "You can have X player (read=scrub) that we have signed for 4 more years and can't get out from under, and then we'll need Cleveland's 2016 1st, and your 2016 2nd. For that, we'll take Kieff off your hands." To which, McD wll reply..."SOLD!!"

Honestly, folks, you need to step away from the proverbial 'crack pipe', and recognize that Kieff is JUNK this year...he isn't 2013-2014, 18 PER, Kieff...he isn't 2014-2015, 16 PER, Kieff...he's 2015-2016, 9 PER Kieff, that we are paying $8M for.

Kieff is trash. NOBODY is calling for Kieff as the target; if Kieff gets traded, it's because he's a throw-in part of a different deal.

And Knight? Again, why would anyone call up for the pleasure to pay $14M per, for the next 4+ years for Knight's mediocre services. A GM can get his production and efficiency for less money on a shorter deal; why on earth would a GM want that albatross hanging off his neck.

And Chandler? Same principle. What GM is thinking to himself, "You know what? I think I DO want to pay Chandler $13M in 2019 when he's 37 years old. Because, well, I can't find that kind of 'Rim Protection' somewhere else on a shorter deal."

I just do not get how anyone here thinks that any of these three guys are a hot commodity. We aren't the only team with assets for sale, and the assets we DO have that are worth anything, McD isn't going to want to trade...Len, Booker, Warren, or heck, even Tucker is more palatable, as we are only paying him $5.5M for another season after this one. Or if a team wants scoring, they'll look for Leuer or Teletovic, but

Thank you for being the voice of reason, Nav. This is getting out of hand....

It's not reason, it's reactionary negativity spoofing itself as reason. Negativism sounds more intelligent to some people but that does not make it more accurate.



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"How does Kieff fit in well, exactly? His .410 eFG%? His .439 TS%? His -.68 WS%? His 'big baby' attitude? His pending assault charge? "

"he isn't 2013-2014, 18 PER, Kieff...he isn't 2014-2015, 16 PER, Kieff...he's 2015-2016, 9 PER Kieff, that we are paying $8M for."

"And Knight? Again, why would anyone call up for the pleasure to pay $14M per, for the next 4+ years for Knight's mediocre services"

Really? Is this not true? Get out of here with your "reactionary negativity"; it's called living in reality...

Go to the Trade forum and read some of the responses regarding Kieff's value. By all means, please point to ONE poster that is not a Sun's fan that thinks Kieff has positive value. Show me ONE post that thinks Knight and/or Chandler are on a good contract for us.

Until then, you can just know that you are flat out wrong. And what I posted was more accurate than your view of their value.

Yes, please, with a straight face, tell me that you think those three players are considered as having positive value as compared to their contract. And again, then show me a post from the trade forum in the last couple of weeks that a non-Sun's fan poster stating that any of those three are worth their current contract. I'll be able to post 5 for every one you can show. Here, I'll start:

nomansland wrote:
You guys will probably call me crazy, but this might seem like Denver gets a lot in return but when you break it down it's also a lot they can't use.

The roster is stacked with semi-useful bigs, so I don't know what Jerebko does for them.
Morris is a negative asset, a pretty big one actually.

giberish wrote:
There's no reason for Phoenix to be in this deal. Denver wouldn't want Keif. Boston wouldn't want Chandler's contract. I think Phoenix would have to add incentive to move them for EC filler anyways.

Smitty731 wrote:
The picks don't bother me as much as taking on Chandler does. His contract is going to be a disaster as soon as next year. If it isn't already. He's dropped off the planet as far as production goes.

And that's just from ONE thread...care to join the rest of the world in what we like to call "reality"??

[8on]

Kieff is dogging it. We all know it.

I think Zach Lowe said that from what he's heard, all you have to do is not be the team that traded hís brother, and he'll give you his all.

I'm pretty sure some other team is going to get the old Kieff. Cleveland would make some sense, although it's a risk for them. Pairing him with Danilo Gallinari.....that's a pretty interesting prospect. Two 6'10" guys on the wing who can both rebound some, both shoot threes, you can give it into Kieff for a midrange jumper. If he buys in, Denver would be getting a steal. I guarantee you Tim Connelly is trying to talk his owners into it right now.

Maybe a three way: Kieff for Faried for T Jones

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hyjcfmv

[NavLDO]

Oh, and one more thing; if anything, I'm one of the more 'positive' posters on this forum. Warren, Len, Booker, Goodwin, Leuer, Teletovic, and Tucker have positive value. Weems and Jefferson have 'filler' value. Bledsoe and Price are injured. So that leaves Morris, Chandler, and Knight as having negative value, overall. Would another team give us something for Knight? Maybe, but it would likely be a similar player; one that's slightly overpaid, but still decent, but depending, the Suns or the other team may have to throw in a 2nd Rd pick.

But Chandler and Morris are, just as I said, JUNK. If anyone is including them in a trade, it will have to be counter-balanced with one of the positive value players. I keep reading some fans here thinking that the Cavs would want Chandler, and that his contract is of little concern, but I am not buying that. You don't spend $39M over the next 3 years for 30ish games in hopes that he can make a positive difference. My point is, that the Cavs can get a similar effect with another 'rim protecting' big, and not have to pay $39M over the next 3 years to get it; there are guys on shorter deals, and/or are younger that can provide that service. And by recognizing that, that doesn't make me a 'hater' or 'negative nancy'; it's called being realistic.

[RunDogGun]

Kieff is dogging it. We all know it.

I think Zach Lowe said that from what he's heard, all you have to do is not be the team that traded hís brother, and he'll give you his all.

I'm pretty sure some other team is going to get the old Kieff. Cleveland would make some sense, although it's a risk for them. Pairing him with Danilo Gallinari.....that's a pretty interesting prospect. Two 6'10" guys on the wing who can both rebound some, both shoot threes, you can give it into Kieff for a midrange jumper. If he buys in, Denver would be getting a steal. I guarantee you Tim Connelly is trying to talk his owners into it right now.

Maybe a three way: Kieff for Faried for T Jones

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hyjcfmv

Well I guess Houston is out of the Morris trade rumors then.

[RunDogGun]

Oh, and one more thing; if anything, I'm one of the more 'positive' posters on this forum. Warren, Len, Booker, Goodwin, Leuer, Teletovic, and Tucker have positive value. Weems and Jefferson have 'filler' value. Bledsoe and Price are injured. So that leaves Morris, Chandler, and Knight as having negative value, overall. Would another team give us something for Knight? Maybe, but it would likely be a similar player; one that's slightly overpaid, but still decent, but depending, the Suns or the other team may have to throw in a 2nd Rd pick.

But Chandler and Morris are, just as I said, JUNK. If anyone is including them in a trade, it will have to be counter-balanced with one of the positive value players. I keep reading some fans here thinking that the Cavs would want Chandler, and that his contract is of little concern, but I am not buying that. You don't spend $39M over the next 3 years for 30ish games in hopes that he can make a positive difference. My point is, that the Cavs can get a similar effect with another 'rim protecting' big, and not have to pay $39M over the next 3 years to get it; there are guys on shorter deals, and/or are younger that can provide that service. And by recognizing that, that doesn't make me a 'hater' or 'negative nancy'; it's called being realistic.

Chandler isn't junk, not many players can rebound that many in a game. Now his price tag is high, but his knowledge of the game, champ experience and his ability still to defend and rebound would be tough, if not almost impossible to match from another player.

Morris will be better and try harder on any team not named Suns. The problem is many teams know that Morris hates the Suns, so many will low ball for a while. But at his price tag and the cap rising soon, he would make a great bench player.

And I'm not being positive patty, just keeping it real.

[thamadkant]

Almost everyone knows Morris is dogging it.
But sadly a lot of team owners will ASK the GM to show evidence on why Morris will NOT repeat the same attitude if they trade for him. Owners will likely dare the GM to put their credibility on the line. Thats just how team franchise governance work...

Morris is chlidish and unprofessional for the things he has shown. That is a major major red flag.

Basically if he doesnt like his situation..
He just dogs it. If he was any other employee... He gets canned ASAP. But his guaranteed contract prevents that without major monetary repurcussion.



Only rogue like GMs who are willing to risk their jobs will gamble on Morris.


Pistons SVG is not just the coach he is also the team president. And he also has Marcus Morris on his team. The only team who I feel will take the gamble is them. But SVG is a smart man and will not buy high nor even 2014 price for Markieff.


Hence Morris is a negative value for many teams.

You cant have players getting paid millions just decide to dog it because they dont like team business like transactions.... It sets a precedent.