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2016 Draft Thread Part 4

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Who do you most want at 4?

Bender
40
53%
Brown
1
1%
Chriss
14
18%
Davis
0
No votes
Dunn
7
9%
Ellenson
2
3%
Hield
7
9%
Labissiere
1
1%
Murray
4
5%
Sabonis
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 76

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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#321 » by carey » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:54 am

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carey wrote:Without cheating I'm thinking the first is John Jenkins and the second is idk.. Budinger? He shot the 3 ball pretty well his final year iirc.


Yes, John Jenkins shot at a better % in than Buddy and the other is Marcus Thornton, who also shot better in conference play the year he did it. I actually like John Jenkins and think we should keep him so for those that want Buddy, we basically can just keep him as if we drafted Buddy.


Thornton wasn't on our team last year though.

I'm all for keeping Jenkins as a 4th guard. I liked what little I saw of him last year and he seems to finally be healthy.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#322 » by jcsunsfan » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:56 am

bwgood77 wrote:When I keep hearing of Chriss' unbelievable athleticism and hear him compared to ex Suns, I keep thinking of this guy....not that it is a comparison, but the athleticism was amazing and I was so excited for the future of this guy.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4PfT4UMcLY[/youtube]

What could have been.


Whats with the end being June 2011? He is still living isnt he?
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#323 » by 8on » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:01 am

had an idea....

i don't know how likely it is that DeMar DeRozan stays in Toronto. i feel like he's almost definitely going to leave for the Lakers. if he does that, we should trade the 4th pick to Toronto for the 9th pick, Patrick Patterson and the 27th pick.

i don't think that's too much, but i really like Patterson. (i'm sure everyone does.) then we can draft Ellenson, Valentine or Baldwin (just to stash in case Bled or Knight goes down), Brice and Ben Bentil or someone else.

i don't think we need anyone that's there with the 4th pick. some people actually like Bender. i don't, but i think we'd be happier at 9. i feel like everyone we might pick there (Chriss, Bender or maybe Brown) is a pretty serious risk.

if we trade down to 9, there will be less pressure. in addition, we're getting a guy like Patterson, who we know can shoot. that way, you know it's not a huge disaster.

i wonder if Toronto would go for it. if they do, you know and they know that DeMar is probably leaving.

i would be down to trade 4 to Denver for 7 and 15, although i don't know who we'd take with 15. i'm sure it'll get discussed, though.
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Post#324 » by jredsaz » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:04 am

bwgood77 wrote:When I keep hearing of Chriss' unbelievable athleticism and hear him compared to ex Suns, I keep thinking of this guy....not that it is a comparison, but the athleticism was amazing and I was so excited for the future of this guy.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4PfT4UMcLY[/youtube]

What could have been.


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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#325 » by Cactus Jack » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:04 am

dantley4prez wrote:had an idea....

i don't know how likely it is that DeMar DeRozan stays in Toronto. i feel like he's almost definitely going to leave for the Lakers. if he does that, we should trade the 4th pick to Toronto for the 9th pick, Patrick Patterson and the 27th pick.

i don't think that's too much, but i really like Patterson. (i'm sure everyone does.) then we can draft Ellenson, Valentine or Baldwin (just to stash in case Bled or Knight goes down), Brice and Ben Bentil or someone else.

i don't think we need anyone that's there with the 4th pick. some people actually like Bender. i don't, but i think we'd be happier at 9. i feel like everyone we might pick there (Chriss, Bender or maybe Brown) is a pretty serious risk.

if we trade down to 9, there will be less pressure. in addition, we're getting a guy like Patterson, who we know can shoot. that way, you know it's not a huge disaster.

i wonder if Toronto would go for it. if they do, you know and they know that DeMar is probably leaving.

i would be down to trade 4 to Denver for 7 and 15, although i don't know who we'd take with 15. i'm sure it'll get discussed, though.

Not a bad idea. I'd consider it. I mean if it's Chriss vs. Trading down. Trade it!
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#326 » by sunsbum » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:05 am

bwgood77 wrote:When I keep hearing of Chriss' unbelievable athleticism and hear him compared to ex Suns, I keep thinking of this guy....not that it is a comparison, but the athleticism was amazing and I was so excited for the future of this guy.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4PfT4UMcLY[/youtube]

What could have been.


Holy **** man. I remember Dumas being good and really liking him but I totally forgot he only played 1 year. I just went back and looked at his stats....wow. He stats in every single major catagory were off the charts. Damn, that guy would have been in the same sentences as Nash, Barkley, KJ for all time greats.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#327 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:06 am

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bwgood77 wrote:
carey wrote:Without cheating I'm thinking the first is John Jenkins and the second is idk.. Budinger? He shot the 3 ball pretty well his final year iirc.


Yes, John Jenkins shot at a better % in than Buddy and the other is Marcus Thornton, who also shot better in conference play the year he did it. I actually like John Jenkins and think we should keep him so for those that want Buddy, we basically can just keep him as if we drafted Buddy.


Thornton wasn't on our team last year though.

I'm all for keeping Jenkins as a 4th guard. I liked what little I saw of him last year and he seems to finally be healthy.


Oh, I thought he was, considering we are still in this year's season with one game to go. However, I wondered if I should specify year. But I meant the year prior to the one the Suns were eliminated earlier this season in.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#328 » by jcsunsfan » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:09 am

Seems to me that Cat Barber could be a sleeper in this draft. He is speedy and shifty as they come, with great handles and a great passer. His efficiency has been suspect but he is a 37% shooter from three. He might even be a FA pickup.

This draft has alot of intriguing talent all the way throught the second round. GPJr is also a good talent.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#329 » by carey » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:10 am

bwgood77 wrote:Oh, I thought he was, considering we are still in this year's season with one game to go. However, I wondered if I should specify year. But I meant the year prior to the one the Suns were eliminated earlier this season in.


Ah, yeah, last season to me is the '15-'16 season. Our last game was over 2 months ago.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#330 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:10 am

sunsbum wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:When I keep hearing of Chriss' unbelievable athleticism and hear him compared to ex Suns, I keep thinking of this guy....not that it is a comparison, but the athleticism was amazing and I was so excited for the future of this guy.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4PfT4UMcLY[/youtube]

What could have been.


Holy **** man. I remember Dumas being good and really liking him but I totally forgot he only played 1 year. I just went back and looked at his stats....wow. He stats in every single major catagory were off the charts. Damn, that guy would have been in the same sentences as Nash, Barkley, KJ for all time greats.


Oh yeah, me and my friends were all thinking "THIS GUY IS OUR FUTURE!" I mean he was awesome. I mean I am excited about Booker, but I was more excited about the future of that guy at the time. I mean maybe we don't even take the Bulls back to Phx in the finals without his amazing game 5. He's really been forgotten from the team that year.

It's funny this video starts and Costas is talking like the Bulls are for sure going to finish out the series. I mean, who would have really thought otherwise? We were down 3-1 and they could close it out in their last game at home, and our only win was in triple OT in game 3. [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDkuVSFWogg[/youtube]
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#331 » by carey » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:17 am

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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#332 » by JMac1 » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:23 am

sunsbum wrote:
NaturalBuns wrote:
sunsbum wrote:Lets leave how good he might or might not be out of the equasion. If you have a guy that is going to play 40 minutes a game at the 2 for the next 8 years of his career here 100% no question... you dont draft another guy that is a 1 position player behind him. ESPECIALLY if you haveglaring holes your team needs to fill. You cant say "oh well the blazers drafted sam bowie with that mindframe" because thats pretty easy hindsight talk. Buddy is 100% unproven in the league and at a position that is dead last in need. I'd rather take a couple flyers on some power forwards.



Why draft need over BPA? Your basically passing on better talent I'll never understand that.


Not to sound rude but did you read what I wrote? This draft has no BPA after simmons/ingram in our spot. Thats why theres a huge 7 page argument about heild. If this were a different draft and heild was by far and away the best prospect then yes, I agree take him. This years draft is very unique though and you cant draft on BPA cause they are all so close. In that case, you take a position of need.



Now that's sensible. Point taken.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#333 » by jcsunsfan » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:26 am

So. Is it possible that the Lakers take Hield? I don't think they like Simmons. So, if Philly takes Ingram do they take Hield. Then Simmons drops to three. Boston seems to really like Jaylen Brown. So now the Suns can choose from Simmons, Chriss and Bender at 4.

We could only hope.

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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#334 » by DirtyDez » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:29 am

I don't have the stones to take Chriss and I'm just a fan. Can't imagine being the GM with 1-yr left on his contract.

Any news on Bender's workout yet?
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#335 » by jcsunsfan » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:41 am

The one thing to consider. Bender is the youngest person in this draft and likely still growing. So, imagine him ending up 7-2 with a 7-4.5 wingspan and a quicker release than most guards.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#336 » by bwgood77 » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:42 am

jcsunsfan wrote:Whats with the end being June 2011? He is still living isnt he?


As far as I know. I look him up on occasion and there were interviews from him a couple years back I think.
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#337 » by TeamTragic » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:44 am

jcsunsfan wrote:So. Is it possible that the Lakers take Hield? I don't think they like Simmons. So, if Philly takes Ingram do they take Hield. Then Simmons drops to three. Boston seems to really like Jaylen Brown. So now the Suns can choose from Simmons, Chriss and Bender at 4.

We could only hope.

http://www.nba.com/lakers/video/teams/lakers/2016/06/18/1466282416575-160618draftwobuddy.mov-601741


That would be an epic draft. Simmons dropping after all that hype :o :o :o
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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#338 » by carey » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:48 am

DirtyDez wrote: Any news on Bender's workout yet?


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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#339 » by JMac1 » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:48 am

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That's rich coming from the guy claiming we'll all be crying because he's awesome in Minny/New Orleans? I think you might want to go back and read your own posts; we are simply responding to your hyperbole on how Hield's such a "Baller" and "Case closed".

At least the rest of us are open to more than ONE prospect, and aren't covering our ears, closing our eyes, saying "la la la la la...I'm not listening...Hield is great, everyone else stinks...la la la la la..."


That was all said after the billion retorts for my saying I wanted Buddy #4. That was it, then all hell broke lose.


At least the rest of us are open to more than ONE prospect, and aren't covering our ears, closing our eyes, saying "la la la la la...I'm not listening...Hield is great, everyone else stinks...la la la la la..



Are you on drugs!?! I am open to everyone, if you don't know that by now, you are either a jackass or new to the conversation or don't know how to read......What a crock of ****!


So, you never said this?

...we'll all be crying because he's awesome in Minny/New Orleans?

...or that it's basically Hield or bust earlier?

So, cool. You ar open to Bender over Hield? Chriss? Ellenson? Brown? Dunn? Poeltl?

You tell me who you would be ok with over Hield at 4, then. Because earlier, you simply stated that it was the end of the conversation, and Hield is the guy we should draft at 4, right??

On earlier days, yes, you've been open, but ALL DAY today has been 'Hield or bust' with you, so don't act like you've been 'open to everyone' today; everything before today is negated by your earlier comment:

JMac1 wrote:Bottomline, to argue against Hield is ludicrous (Speed). I am not going back an forth about Buddy. He is a baller, period!


I also stated:

You mean like have fewer TOs? Have comparable EFF, EFF/40, PER, TS%, eFG%, FT%, and has been referred to as the most athletically gifted prospect in 15 years? That kind of 'done nothing'?? Just checking. Especially considering he was much further ahead of Dunn and Hield in these areas as Freshman, and while that doesn't portend future success, the point is, he was more advanced than either Hield or Dunn at the same age. Oh, and then there's the fact that we don't have any PFs, yet have 5-6 Guards on the roster.

So it's not as if Chriss is some 2nd Rd talent being considered at 4th overall, and that he "hasn't performed"...he's raw, and young, but again, was wll ahead of where Dunn and Hield were at their respective positions at the same points in their careers.

A Freshman PF that averages 35% from 3, 69% from FT% is an offensively gifted talent, even if extremely raw, and claiming he 'hasn't performed" is a tad bit on the hyperbolic side.


to your post of:

Then people say what's wrong with you how can you like the guy who did something over a guy who has done nothing? are you crazy? Then make excuses about why the guy who performed isn't worthy and then tell me the guy who hasn't performed is a better pick and tell me I am crazy? Wow!

Ignore what is and create what isn't. I understand potential, but I also understand a dude who can ball.


You have literally shot down any other prospect @ 4 today in favor of Hield, so don't tell me it's a 'crock of ****'

You show me ONE post from you today saying you'd be happy with any other prospect over Hield at 4, and I'll recant, but you can't, because you didn't.
So don't act like you've been so magnanimous and open-minded about our selection @ 4 that involves us taking anyone other than Hield @ 4 if Hield is there for the taking.

You've basically stated that Hield has proven himself, and no one else has that is a Freshman; Hield's ONE Senior Season is proof, but anyone else's Freshman season "has done nothing" or "hasn't performed". Just because a guy has played 4 seasons DOESN'T mean he's played 4 seasons at a high-level. And that is the case with Hield. Had he come out after his Junior season, we wouldn't even be talking about him in the 1st Rd. Ellenson, Chriss, Murray, Poeltl, and Davis' Freshman/Sophomore seasons were ALL better than what Hield did during his Junior season.

So no, I am NOT on drugs, I am NOT crazy, I'm NOT delusional, I DO know how to read, and I am NOT a jackass...well, ok I am, but that's beside the point--you've been on the Hield Hype Train ALL DAY, and everyone else here can see it, and you have not entertained a SINGLE other option @ 4 than Hield, all day, so don't act like you've been 'open' to other prospects at 4, and have madeit abundantly clear that Hield is your choice, and no one else deserves to be considered over him, and I'm pretty sure there are at least 10 posters here that can back me up on that statement.



Would you like to recant your whole post?

I want Buddy. I would like to draft Buddy, but I didn't say anyone else wasn't deserving, all I have said this whole day was Buddy was deserving. I can't believe that was a crime. I like Buddy. I never said I would lose my mind if we drafted so and so nor would I hate MC'D or this team. I like Buddy at four is all I said. People stated why they didn't like him, I stated why I did and WHAT IF his games translated. I would expect, "yea, if his game translated, but I don't think it will." I got "no way, he can't this and that, he could bust, et al" I know this, if Buddy is going to bust, do I want to draft him? No. I hope and think he won't, but maybe he will. I would like to take that chance. "Cool" is all that needed to be said. Then you say, "I think he will bust and don't want to draft him." I can't rebut that, but I will rebut poster insinuating my opinion was pulled out of my ass.

My defending my POV on Buddy was turned into me hating all the other prospects somehow, when I stated this today, so recant!


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Well done. I'd be happy with that outcome.

Agree, I would love that for Suns :D
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I trust McD when it comes to draft. If he will choose Chriss before Bender then I will assume he knows more than us.


At the end of the day, I believe that is who it will come down to and I will trust him over me. Hield, Dunn, Brown, and Murray are all in the mold of Bledsoe, Booker, TJ, Archie and Knight in some form or fashion. BW said unless the difference is clear, which it isn't, you go for need.

I think it will be Chriss because he is a dynamic athlete, but I like the length and skill of Bender. I'll clap and cheer if it is Bender and I will smile ruefully shrug my shoulders and say "ok, we will see" if it is Chriss and hope Ellenson falls.


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Re: 2016 Draft Thread Part 4 

Post#340 » by Kerrsed » Sun Jun 19, 2016 3:53 am

jcsunsfan wrote:So. Is it possible that the Lakers take Hield? I don't think they like Simmons. So, if Philly takes Ingram do they take Hield. Then Simmons drops to three. Boston seems to really like Jaylen Brown. So now the Suns can choose from Simmons, Chriss and Bender at 4.

We could only hope.

http://www.nba.com/lakers/video/teams/lakers/2016/06/18/1466282416575-160618draftwobuddy.mov-601741


NOT....EVEN....CLOSE.

If for some ungodly reason Philly takes Ingram (Which they wont), Lakers would scoop up Simmons in a heartbeat. As most reports are saying, Lakers are doing their due diligence and working out everyone they can in case they decide to to make a trade for another top pick (Like the rumored Russell for a top 5 pick). They have worked out players that are mocked to go #3-#7 and players mocked as late lotto picks.
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