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So Phila moved up with Simmons but we're still last.
RunDogGun wrote:Man I love years when the odds do this stuff. Our guys always step up. It actually makes me more excited to watch games. Time to put some money down. What are the odds for us to make the playoffs?
dbrandon wrote:RE: Westbrook, based on what Smitty's said and what I've heard both on and off the record from Royce, he's committed to playing out this season with the team. Nesgoda runs SonicsRising...he's literally the last person I'd count on for any news related to the Thunder.
What I've heard leads me to believe he's going to be here for at least this year. Whether he's here next year I don't know if anyone knows. It's not 100%, but Russ is far more up-front with his opinions than KD, and his circle of influence is much smaller. He talks to his wife and his parents. Maybe Ray.
I was hoping we might be able to offer enough value for TJ (I love him—he was one of my under-the-radar fantasy guys last year along with Hood), but doubt we can. If Tucker's available as a stopgap we could do a lot worse. What would it take?
dbrandon wrote:RE: Westbrook, based on what Smitty's said and what I've heard both on and off the record from Royce, he's committed to playing out this season with the team. Nesgoda runs SonicsRising...he's literally the last person I'd count on for any news related to the Thunder.
What I've heard leads me to believe he's going to be here for at least this year. Whether he's here next year I don't know if anyone knows. It's not 100%, but Russ is far more up-front with his opinions than KD, and his circle of influence is much smaller. He talks to his wife and his parents. Maybe Ray.
I was hoping we might be able to offer enough value for TJ (I love him—he was one of my under-the-radar fantasy guys last year along with Hood), but doubt we can. If Tucker's available as a stopgap we could do a lot worse. What would it take?
letsgosuns wrote:dbrandon wrote:RE: Westbrook, based on what Smitty's said and what I've heard both on and off the record from Royce, he's committed to playing out this season with the team. Nesgoda runs SonicsRising...he's literally the last person I'd count on for any news related to the Thunder.
What I've heard leads me to believe he's going to be here for at least this year. Whether he's here next year I don't know if anyone knows. It's not 100%, but Russ is far more up-front with his opinions than KD, and his circle of influence is much smaller. He talks to his wife and his parents. Maybe Ray.
I was hoping we might be able to offer enough value for TJ (I love him—he was one of my under-the-radar fantasy guys last year along with Hood), but doubt we can. If Tucker's available as a stopgap we could do a lot worse. What would it take?
The Thunder's situation reminds me a little bit of the 2010 offseason for the Suns. Different circumstances but the overall bottom line is similar. Going from a title contender to a team just fighting for a playoff spot because one of your superstars leaves.
The Thunder have to look at it realistically and say can we put players around Westbrook through trade or free agency that brings us back into title contention. If the answer is yes, then it is worth holding onto him and hoping to get those players. However, if the answer is we are not sure we can get another top ten player, then you have to think about trading him. Since Westbrook will be an unrestricted free agent, you do not want to lose him for nothing like Durant. If you can get a monster package for him, something like one of those Nets picks that Boston owns, you have to consider it. This upcoming draft is supposed to be awesome and people are predicting the Nets might be the worst team in basketball, so that pick could be top-5.
Btw, I would trade Tucker for any kind of pick in the first round whether it is protected or not protected. I doubt the Suns organization would though. They love Tucker.
saintEscaton wrote:Saberestar wrote:Qwigglez wrote:^I seriously thought Book was photoshopped until I read what Wade wrote bout Book being his favorite rook around the league. I know several peeps here aren't trying to think too highly of Booker just yet, but it's hard not to think he'll be a star soon when we got future HOF'ers and all-stars taking notice of him.
Yeah, I think he is gonna be AT LEAST an All Star in this league. He has all the tools to be a 20p, 5a, 5r SG and he is gonna be an average defender because he takes pride defensively and he is really smart.
Brandon Roy/Manu Ginobili type of player in his prime.
I see more Allan Houston/Michael Redd with a lead guard mentality. Saying Booker’s floor is an All-Star is going too far IMO, only KAT deserves that projection. Ginobli was basically a gritter more team oriented two-way version of OKC Harden, arguably the most technically gifted passing 2 guard ever. his court vision was Magic/Bird level he could routinely nutmeg defenders, pull out the shammgo/fakeouts and basically pioneeered eurostep. Roy was looking like the second coming o Hardaway, shame areer wasn't ended prematurely and was held back playing in the slowest paced offense, he was a borderline superstar in 2008-2009 we didn't even get to witness his prime. I don't really see the stylistic similarities either, of course Booker can still diversify his game but Roy was different not really a pure shooter like Booker and a 4 year college player so he was more seasoned entering the league. Whereas Booker is an average athlete at Best, Roy was underrated he had hops and could posterize when he wanted to. He was a midrange maestro with his arsenal of fadeaway/pullups/stepbacks could break down his man with heky jerky stop no go deception, a more acrobatic finisher who could switch hands mid air
letsgosuns wrote:Btw, I would trade Tucker for any kind of pick in the first round whether it is protected or not protected. I doubt the Suns organization would though. They love Tucker.
GetYourPHX wrote:letsgosuns wrote:Btw, I would trade Tucker for any kind of pick in the first round whether it is protected or not protected. I doubt the Suns organization would though. They love Tucker.
The Suns organization loves PJ Tucker because he comes to work. Every team needs guys like him. He's only missed 8 games during his Suns career. That's absolutely amazing.
I know I'm still one of the only members of the PJ Tucker fan club, but there's just no way it's a good idea to trade that guy.
saintEscaton wrote:GetYourPHX wrote:letsgosuns wrote:Btw, I would trade Tucker for any kind of pick in the first round whether it is protected or not protected. I doubt the Suns organization would though. They love Tucker.
The Suns organization loves PJ Tucker because he comes to work. Every team needs guys like him. He's only missed 8 games during his Suns career. That's absolutely amazing.
I know I'm still one of the only members of the PJ Tucker fan club, but there's just no way it's a good idea to trade that guy.
I would do it for Huestis, we could use his disruptive length and shot blocking abilities at the wing
WeekapaugGroove wrote:saintEscaton wrote:Saberestar wrote:Yeah, I think he is gonna be AT LEAST an All Star in this league. He has all the tools to be a 20p, 5a, 5r SG and he is gonna be an average defender because he takes pride defensively and he is really smart.
Brandon Roy/Manu Ginobili type of player in his prime.
I see more Allan Houston/Michael Redd with a lead guard mentality. Saying Booker’s floor is an All-Star is going too far IMO, only KAT deserves that projection. Ginobli was basically a gritter more team oriented two-way version of OKC Harden, arguably the most technically gifted passing 2 guard ever. his court vision was Magic/Bird level he could routinely nutmeg defenders, pull out the shammgo/fakeouts and basically pioneeered eurostep. Roy was looking like the second coming o Hardaway, shame areer wasn't ended prematurely and was held back playing in the slowest paced offense, he was a borderline superstar in 2008-2009 we didn't even get to witness his prime. I don't really see the stylistic similarities either, of course Booker can still diversify his game but Roy was different not really a pure shooter like Booker and a 4 year college player so he was more seasoned entering the league. Whereas Booker is an average athlete at Best, Roy was underrated he had hops and could posterize when he wanted to. He was a midrange maestro with his arsenal of fadeaway/pullups/stepbacks could break down his man with heky jerky stop no go deception, a more acrobatic finisher who could switch hands mid air
Its interesting you bring up redd as a comp. I grew up in wisco so watched a lot of redd ands its a good comparison. Bookers probably a little better ball handler though. People forget redd was a hell of a player pre knee injury.
dbrandon wrote:letsgosuns wrote:dbrandon wrote:RE: Westbrook, based on what Smitty's said and what I've heard both on and off the record from Royce, he's committed to playing out this season with the team. Nesgoda runs SonicsRising...he's literally the last person I'd count on for any news related to the Thunder.
What I've heard leads me to believe he's going to be here for at least this year. Whether he's here next year I don't know if anyone knows. It's not 100%, but Russ is far more up-front with his opinions than KD, and his circle of influence is much smaller. He talks to his wife and his parents. Maybe Ray.
I was hoping we might be able to offer enough value for TJ (I love him—he was one of my under-the-radar fantasy guys last year along with Hood), but doubt we can. If Tucker's available as a stopgap we could do a lot worse. What would it take?
The Thunder's situation reminds me a little bit of the 2010 offseason for the Suns. Different circumstances but the overall bottom line is similar. Going from a title contender to a team just fighting for a playoff spot because one of your superstars leaves.
The Thunder have to look at it realistically and say can we put players around Westbrook through trade or free agency that brings us back into title contention. If the answer is yes, then it is worth holding onto him and hoping to get those players. However, if the answer is we are not sure we can get another top ten player, then you have to think about trading him. Since Westbrook will be an unrestricted free agent, you do not want to lose him for nothing like Durant. If you can get a monster package for him, something like one of those Nets picks that Boston owns, you have to consider it. This upcoming draft is supposed to be awesome and people are predicting the Nets might be the worst team in basketball, so that pick could be top-5.
Btw, I would trade Tucker for any kind of pick in the first round whether it is protected or not protected. I doubt the Suns organization would though. They love Tucker.
They're taking calls, but from what I've heard it would take a pretty significant overpay.
They think Dipo is a 20ppg guy this year. Whether that's true or not IDK. If he is, he and Adams are a pretty good tandem to put next to Russ—with more usage Adams is going to open some eyes.
To the point of the thread, I don't think the Suns would give up what it would take to get Russ, and I don't think the Thunder would take it.
saintEscaton wrote:Saberestar wrote:Qwigglez wrote:^I seriously thought Book was photoshopped until I read what Wade wrote bout Book being his favorite rook around the league. I know several peeps here aren't trying to think too highly of Booker just yet, but it's hard not to think he'll be a star soon when we got future HOF'ers and all-stars taking notice of him.
Yeah, I think he is gonna be AT LEAST an All Star in this league. He has all the tools to be a 20p, 5a, 5r SG and he is gonna be an average defender because he takes pride defensively and he is really smart.
Brandon Roy/Manu Ginobili type of player in his prime.
I see more Allan Houston/Michael Redd with a lead guard mentality. Saying Booker’s floor is an All-Star is going too far IMO, only KAT deserves that projection. Ginobli was basically a gritter more team oriented two-way version of OKC Harden, arguably the most technically gifted passing 2 guard ever. his court vision was Magic/Bird level he could routinely nutmeg defenders, pull out the shammgo/fakeouts and basically pioneeered eurostep. Roy was looking like the second coming o Hardaway, shame areer wasn't ended prematurely and was held back playing in the slowest paced offense, he was a borderline superstar in 2008-2009 we didn't even get to witness his prime. I don't really see the stylistic similarities either, of course Booker can still diversify his game but Roy was different not really a pure shooter like Booker and a 4 year college player so he was more seasoned entering the league. Whereas Booker is an average athlete at Best, Roy was underrated he had hops and could posterize when he wanted to. He was a midrange maestro with his arsenal of fadeaway/pullups/stepbacks could break down his man with heky jerky stop no go deception, a more acrobatic finisher who could switch hands mid air
JMac1 wrote:dbrandon wrote:letsgosuns wrote:
The Thunder's situation reminds me a little bit of the 2010 offseason for the Suns. Different circumstances but the overall bottom line is similar. Going from a title contender to a team just fighting for a playoff spot because one of your superstars leaves.
The Thunder have to look at it realistically and say can we put players around Westbrook through trade or free agency that brings us back into title contention. If the answer is yes, then it is worth holding onto him and hoping to get those players. However, if the answer is we are not sure we can get another top ten player, then you have to think about trading him. Since Westbrook will be an unrestricted free agent, you do not want to lose him for nothing like Durant. If you can get a monster package for him, something like one of those Nets picks that Boston owns, you have to consider it. This upcoming draft is supposed to be awesome and people are predicting the Nets might be the worst team in basketball, so that pick could be top-5.
Btw, I would trade Tucker for any kind of pick in the first round whether it is protected or not protected. I doubt the Suns organization would though. They love Tucker.
They're taking calls, but from what I've heard it would take a pretty significant overpay.
They think Dipo is a 20ppg guy this year. Whether that's true or not IDK. If he is, he and Adams are a pretty good tandem to put next to Russ—with more usage Adams is going to open some eyes.
To the point of the thread, I don't think the Suns would give up what it would take to get Russ, and I don't think the Thunder would take it.
Thunder should take what they can get, you'd think they'd have learned already. I guess they want to go four for four. Harden, Jackson, KD and now Westbrook. Sometimes it is better to sell your stock before it has zero value.
You guys are in trouble. Nobody not named the Lakers are trading for him and the Lakers won't because he is a FA next year.
Saberestar wrote:saintEscaton wrote:Saberestar wrote:Yeah, I think he is gonna be AT LEAST an All Star in this league. He has all the tools to be a 20p, 5a, 5r SG and he is gonna be an average defender because he takes pride defensively and he is really smart.
Brandon Roy/Manu Ginobili type of player in his prime.
I see more Allan Houston/Michael Redd with a lead guard mentality. Saying Booker’s floor is an All-Star is going too far IMO, only KAT deserves that projection. Ginobli was basically a gritter more team oriented two-way version of OKC Harden, arguably the most technically gifted passing 2 guard ever. his court vision was Magic/Bird level he could routinely nutmeg defenders, pull out the shammgo/fakeouts and basically pioneeered eurostep. Roy was looking like the second coming o Hardaway, shame areer wasn't ended prematurely and was held back playing in the slowest paced offense, he was a borderline superstar in 2008-2009 we didn't even get to witness his prime. I don't really see the stylistic similarities either, of course Booker can still diversify his game but Roy was different not really a pure shooter like Booker and a 4 year college player so he was more seasoned entering the league. Whereas Booker is an average athlete at Best, Roy was underrated he had hops and could posterize when he wanted to. He was a midrange maestro with his arsenal of fadeaway/pullups/stepbacks could break down his man with heky jerky stop no go deception, a more acrobatic finisher who could switch hands mid air
Those are great comp too, I loved Houston's game and Redd was really fun to watch. Great in isolations in the high post, Booker can be like him in that area.
When I said that Booker is gonna be at least an All Star I was referring to an occasional All Star like Korver or Deng has been. It would be very difficult to believe that he is not gonna be an All Star some season in the next 10-12 years because he is so advanced at his age and his demeanour is amazing. That is his floor IMO.
NTB wrote:I think Brandon Roy / Manu Ginobili thing was spot on. Booker has a really good court vision and playmaking ability. He can play pick and roll really well and I saw Booker throwing pocket passes like Steve Nash a lot. Also Booker is not just a "shooter" we know that. I think we will have our next star in Booker after Amar'e.
RunDogGun wrote:Man I love years when the odds do this stuff. Our guys always step up. It actually makes me more excited to watch games. Time to put some money down. What are the odds for us to make the playoffs?
dbrandon wrote:letsgosuns wrote:dbrandon wrote:RE: Westbrook, based on what Smitty's said and what I've heard both on and off the record from Royce, he's committed to playing out this season with the team. Nesgoda runs SonicsRising...he's literally the last person I'd count on for any news related to the Thunder.
What I've heard leads me to believe he's going to be here for at least this year. Whether he's here next year I don't know if anyone knows. It's not 100%, but Russ is far more up-front with his opinions than KD, and his circle of influence is much smaller. He talks to his wife and his parents. Maybe Ray.
I was hoping we might be able to offer enough value for TJ (I love him—he was one of my under-the-radar fantasy guys last year along with Hood), but doubt we can. If Tucker's available as a stopgap we could do a lot worse. What would it take?
The Thunder's situation reminds me a little bit of the 2010 offseason for the Suns. Different circumstances but the overall bottom line is similar. Going from a title contender to a team just fighting for a playoff spot because one of your superstars leaves.
The Thunder have to look at it realistically and say can we put players around Westbrook through trade or free agency that brings us back into title contention. If the answer is yes, then it is worth holding onto him and hoping to get those players. However, if the answer is we are not sure we can get another top ten player, then you have to think about trading him. Since Westbrook will be an unrestricted free agent, you do not want to lose him for nothing like Durant. If you can get a monster package for him, something like one of those Nets picks that Boston owns, you have to consider it. This upcoming draft is supposed to be awesome and people are predicting the Nets might be the worst team in basketball, so that pick could be top-5.
Btw, I would trade Tucker for any kind of pick in the first round whether it is protected or not protected. I doubt the Suns organization would though. They love Tucker.
They're taking calls, but from what I've heard it would take a pretty significant overpay.
They think Dipo is a 20ppg guy this year. Whether that's true or not IDK. If he is, he and Adams are a pretty good tandem to put next to Russ—with more usage Adams is going to open some eyes.
To the point of the thread, I don't think the Suns would give up what it would take to get Russ, and I don't think the Thunder would take it.
dbrandon wrote:JMac1 wrote:dbrandon wrote:
They're taking calls, but from what I've heard it would take a pretty significant overpay.
They think Dipo is a 20ppg guy this year. Whether that's true or not IDK. If he is, he and Adams are a pretty good tandem to put next to Russ—with more usage Adams is going to open some eyes.
To the point of the thread, I don't think the Suns would give up what it would take to get Russ, and I don't think the Thunder would take it.
Thunder should take what they can get, you'd think they'd have learned already. I guess they want to go four for four. Harden, Jackson, KD and now Westbrook. Sometimes it is better to sell your stock before it has zero value.
You guys are in trouble. Nobody not named the Lakers are trading for him and the Lakers won't because he is a FA next year.
We just lost a top-3 player in the NBA and we're replacing him with Andre Roberson. Anyone who thinks we're not in some level of trouble needs to have their head examined.
But the fact that you lumped a guy traded well before his RFA, a guy traded in the middle of his RFA season, and a guy who walked in free agency together in "selling your stock before it has zero value" doesn't give me a ton of confidence in that opinion.
There are offers on the table for him, whether you think "nobody not named the Lakers are trading for him" or not. But they'll only trade him if he says he's gone. He's not exactly one to hide his feelings. They'll know if he's seriously considering other teams in FA.
bwgood77 wrote:NTB wrote:I think Brandon Roy / Manu Ginobili thing was spot on. Booker has a really good court vision and playmaking ability. He can play pick and roll really well and I saw Booker throwing pocket passes like Steve Nash a lot. Also Booker is not just a "shooter" we know that. I think we will have our next star in Booker after Amar'e.
I don't think they are very good comps, and they are both great players at what they do, and I think Booker can be just as or more valuable, but I think he's a different kind of player. Not sure who is best comp is or that we particularly need one. He's definitely closer to those guys than Harden is to Magic or Bird as someone a couple of posts above you suggested though.