Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 2: End This Knightmare!

Post #321 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:04 am

grumpysaddle wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
grumpysaddle wrote:
I don't think Len is as bad as that indicates either, but I do think Knight is. He's still -12 per 36, which is really bad.

Obviously that is bad, but have you tried sorting by per 36 and if so, what is he ranked then?

On that site I don't think there's a way to account for players that have played really bad in the 3 minutes they've played all season, so some are like... -56 in per 36. He's still pretty far down when you look t players that actually play. Like... didn't have to scroll down that far.

Well I guess it doesn't matter if he's the worst, the 10th worst, or the 20th worst in reasonable minutes. He's bad. And he needs to go.

Bogyo · Post #322 » by **Bogyo** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:20 am

bwgood77 wrote:
grumpysaddle wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Obviously that is bad, but have you tried sorting by per 36 and if so, what is he ranked then?

On that site I don't think there's a way to account for players that have played really bad in the 3 minutes they've played all season, so some are like... -56 in per 36. He's still pretty far down when you look t players that actually play. Like... didn't have to scroll down that far.

Well I guess it doesn't matter if he's the worst, the 10th worst, or the 20th worst in reasonable minutes. He's bad. And he needs to go.

Add the fact that he is a sub, who plays more minutes against subs than the regular starters, and these numbers are a disaster. :evil:

garrick · Post #323 » by **garrick** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:16 pm

How about trading Knight for Rubio?

Guy can't shoot to save his life but is a good team player who would be fine off the bench.

Post #324 » by **Qwigglez** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 1:48 pm

Just a thought, but do you guys realize how valuable both of these Miami picks are? 2018 1st round pick is top 7 protected, and then the following year it has no protection. Well as of right now the Heat are bottom 3 in the East. That pick is looking very likely to be a 2019 pick with no protection.
What's your opinion guys, should we trade those picks as part of a package for a star? Or should we hold on to them? Keep in mind by 2021, we'll have 25 year old Booker, 24 year old Chriss/Bender.

gaspar · Post #325 » by **gaspar** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:28 pm

Read on Twitter

I'd trade Barbosa (and Jenkins, if they want him) for Osman (+ Mo and Birdman contracts).

Saberestar · Post #326 » by **Saberestar** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 2:44 pm

gaspar wrote:

Read on Twitter

I'd trade Barbosa (and Jenkins, if they want him) for Osman (+ Mo and Birdman contracts).

Yeah, not a bad idea but I think that the Cavs want a better player than Barbosa. He can not play PG and he is below average defensively.

King4Day · Post #327 » by **King4Day** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 3:53 pm

gaspar wrote:

Read on Twitter

I'd trade Barbosa (and Jenkins, if they want him) for Osman (+ Mo and Birdman contracts).

Can you post the full link? Or what it says? Can't see anything on mobile devices yet for Twitter links

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gaspar · Post #328 » by **gaspar** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 4:18 pm

DarkHawk wrote:Can you post the full link? Or what it says? Can't see anything on mobile devices yet for Twitter links

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It's not a secret that the Cavs are looking to acquire a backup point-guard via trade. But to do that Cleveland needs to put some kind of asset in a deal. Right now the Cavs are not exactly full of asset in their current roster, they'd love to move both Mo Williams and Chris Andersen but to unload their salaries they'd need to send something in return to another team.

One of the remaining assets for Cleveland is Cedi Osman, the Turkish forward drafted in 2015. Currently with Anadolu Efes in Turkey, Osman has drawed interest from several teams and, according to Joe Vadon of Clevealand.com, Cleveland is likely to include his right in some deal in the next few weeks.

Post #329 » by **ATTL** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 5:25 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Just a thought, but do you guys realize how valuable both of these Miami picks are? 2018 1st round pick is top 7 protected, and then the following year it has no protection. Well as of right now the Heat are bottom 3 in the East. That pick is looking very likely to be a 2019 pick with no protection.
What's your opinion guys, should we trade those picks as part of a package for a star? Or should we hold on to them? Keep in mind by 2021, we'll have 25 year old Booker, 24 year old Chriss/Bender.

Keep the picks. We should learn from Brandon knight not to trade lightly protected firsts for instant gratification.

Having a young star on a cheap contract and under team control for almost a decade after drafting them is very important. I'm hopeful that by 2021 we'll be in the playoffs and that 2021 pick could be our next big key that pushes us over the top.

Fo-Real · Post #330 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:01 pm

(**sigh**)

OGBAH · Post #331 » by **OGBAH** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 7:09 pm

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Cedi-Osman-7133/
I like him...would also mean the end of the Tucker era

Fo-Real · Post #332 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:12 pm

We recalled Jones Jr, mean anything? That's 15 players on the roster now.

Saberestar · Post #333 » by **Saberestar** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:21 pm

Fo-Real wrote:We recalled Jones Jr, mean anything? That's 15 players on the roster now.

Hopefully we are finalizing a trade that involves Knight. :pray:

Post #334 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:23 pm

ATTL wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:Just a thought, but do you guys realize how valuable both of these Miami picks are? 2018 1st round pick is top 7 protected, and then the following year it has no protection. Well as of right now the Heat are bottom 3 in the East. That pick is looking very likely to be a 2019 pick with no protection.
What's your opinion guys, should we trade those picks as part of a package for a star? Or should we hold on to them? Keep in mind by 2021, we'll have 25 year old Booker, 24 year old Chriss/Bender.

Keep the picks. We should learn from Brandon knight not to trade lightly protected firsts for instant gratification.

Having a young star on a cheap contract and under team control for almost a decade after drafting them is very important. I'm hopeful that by 2021 we'll be in the playoffs and that 2021 pick could be our next big key that pushes us over the top.

Yes, keep and use picks. That's the best chance to get a star.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #335 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:33 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
ATTL wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:Just a thought, but do you guys realize how valuable both of these Miami picks are? 2018 1st round pick is top 7 protected, and then the following year it has no protection. Well as of right now the Heat are bottom 3 in the East. That pick is looking very likely to be a 2019 pick with no protection.
What's your opinion guys, should we trade those picks as part of a package for a star? Or should we hold on to them? Keep in mind by 2021, we'll have 25 year old Booker, 24 year old Chriss/Bender.

Keep the picks. We should learn from Brandon knight not to trade lightly protected firsts for instant gratification.

Having a young star on a cheap contract and under team control for almost a decade after drafting them is very important. I'm hopeful that by 2021 we'll be in the playoffs and that 2021 pick could be our next big key that pushes us over the top.

Yes, keep and use picks. That's the best chance to get a star.

Once Bender gains strength, I think he's in that category. Would like to see more aggression on offense from Chriss. Would like to see Warren put forth consistent effort. Would like to see Booker focus on being consistent with his jumper - he acts and talks as if his J is a finished product. It was when at the beginning of his rookie season, but as he's diversified his game, that aspect has fallen off. Len needs to find his groove within an offense. Ulis just needs to see the court.

What I'm saying is, we have plenty of potential stars on the roster. Perhaps not superstars, but the right mix of talent can win a championship without an all-time great on the roster. Still, you give a 55 win team a top 3 pick in 2019 and again in 2021 - sheeeit, son. Now you're talking possible dynasty.

bhawk · Post #336 » by **bhawk** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:51 pm

Saberestar wrote:
Fo-Real wrote:We recalled Jones Jr, mean anything? That's 15 players on the roster now.

Hopefully we are finalizing a trade that involves Knight.

Paul Coro are you out there? Come on man... we need the scoop and miss you dearly.

Fo-Real · Post #337 » by **Fo-Real** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:54 pm

Has to mean something. Already no time for Duds to play at all, Tucker, Warren, Bender already are squeezed for minutes, so why bring in another body? UNLESS...... :pray:

Post #338 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 8:59 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
ATTL wrote:
Keep the picks. We should learn from Brandon knight not to trade lightly protected firsts for instant gratification.

Having a young star on a cheap contract and under team control for almost a decade after drafting them is very important. I'm hopeful that by 2021 we'll be in the playoffs and that 2021 pick could be our next big key that pushes us over the top.

Yes, keep and use picks. That's the best chance to get a star.

Once Bender gains strength, I think he's in that category. Would like to see more aggression on offense from Chriss. Would like to see Warren put forth consistent effort. Would like to see Booker focus on being consistent with his jumper - he acts and talks as if his J is a finished product. It was when at the beginning of his rookie season, but as he's diversified his game, that aspect has fallen off. Len needs to find his groove within an offense. Ulis just needs to see the court.

What I'm saying is, we have plenty of potential stars on the roster. Perhaps not superstars, but the right mix of talent can win a championship without an all-time great on the roster. Still, you give a 55 win team a top 3 pick in 2019 and again in 2021 - sheeeit, son. Now you're talking possible dynasty.

We really need Bender to be our cornerstone along with whoever we draft this year. Hopefully Booker can become a solid shooting guard and Warren that offensive spark, while Chriss can also turn into a solid player. Everyone has looked good to great at times, so there is hope. Being behind Utah, Denver and Minnesota as young rebuilding teams we need to strike gold with this next big and see major steps forward and consistency from our youth. I can't forget either. I don't see us winning 55 games in 18-19 though or even the year after that. That's quite a leap.

Damkac · Post #339 » by **Damkac** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:10 pm

Knight trade would be a great start of a new year.

Villalobos · Post #340 » by **Villalobos** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:22 pm

Fo-Real wrote:We recalled Jones Jr, mean anything? That's 15 players on the roster now.

NAZ doesn't play until the 6th. Probably just giving him time to be with the NBA team until then. The Spurs do that a lot with their guys. Keep sending them back and forth depending on the D-League's schedule so they get at least a little bit of time with the real team.