2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

[sunsbum]

Martin did average 23 points on 47 / 40 / 87 once, that's quite a favourable prime projection.

Once....and then you say prime projection.....sooooooooooooooooooo which is it?

[sunsbum]

Why is everyone so worried about Bender? Out half a year, never had a chance to get in a groove. Can we give the dude at least 3 years?.... at the least?

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Why is everyone so worried about Bender? Out half a year, never had a chance to get in a groove. Can we give the dude at least 3 years?.... at the least?

People seem to have straight written him off. Youngest player in his class; unique skillset; doesn't really fit the mold of any player I can remember.

[alldayeveryday]

https://www.lids.com/phoenix-suns-eric-bledsoe-adidas-nba-mens-new-swingman-jersey/20648356

(In all seriousness, Chriss jersey also on sale)

[DirtyDez]

I hope Chriss is watching lots of tape of #31 this summer.

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[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I hope Chriss is watching lots of tape of #31 this summer.

Spoiler:

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I don't think he'll be available at our spot at #32 in the draft, but this kid, to me, more closely resembles the Matrix. Only 19YO, too:

Spoiler:

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[Ghost of Kleine]

I hope Chriss is watching lots of tape of #31 this summer.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

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I don't think he'll be available at our spot at #32 in the draft, but this kid, to me, more closely resembles the Matrix. Only 19YO, too:

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

Does he also possibly remind anybody else of "our version" of "plasticman" Stacey Augmon?

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[Mulhollanddrive]

Hopefully can score more than 14 points a season if we draft him.

[kennydorglas]

Andrew Johnson (@CountingBaskets) made a prelim model for the Free Agency.
Interesting results so far
He has Alex Len getting 12M/yr and Big Sauce for 7M/yr

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qMOpi_1PS1FctDcVjlXteZglF5BAQIi2okwbHHPWhL4/edit#gid=0

[bwgood77]

I hope Chriss is watching lots of tape of #31 this summer.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

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I don't think he'll be available at our spot at #32 in the draft, but this kid, to me, more closely resembles the Matrix. Only 19YO, too:

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

The Matrix would be very upset with you if he saw that comparison.

[bwgood77]

Andrew Johnson (@CountingBaskets) made a prelim model for the Free Agency.
Interesting results so far
He has Alex Len getting 12M/yr and Big Sauce for 7M/yr

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qMOpi_1PS1FctDcVjlXteZglF5BAQIi2okwbHHPWhL4/edit#gid=0

Who would you rather keep a those prices? Kind of tough. Len is a very good rebounder and shot blocker...top tier in league for age, but Williams put up some monster stats in games where we were playing garbage units. And I imagine he has more chemistry, etc...and is a great for the locker room.

Knowing business, if I felt we could dump the Knight, and potentially Chandler eventually, I might match both, depending on the length of deal.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I probably wouldn't pay either one those numbers. But as bw said if they can clear knights deal then maybe Len. I just hate having too much money on role players. It's a good way to get in cap trouble and not have the room to either sign or trade for an real impact player. Theres an over saturation of bigs in the league so find some young dudes or cheaper vet options on short deals.

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[AtheJ415]

Andrew Johnson (@CountingBaskets) made a prelim model for the Free Agency.
Interesting results so far
He has Alex Len getting 12M/yr and Big Sauce for 7M/yr

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qMOpi_1PS1FctDcVjlXteZglF5BAQIi2okwbHHPWhL4/edit#gid=0

Who would you rather keep a those prices? Kind of tough. Len is a very good rebounder and shot blocker...top tier in league for age, but Williams put up some monster stats in games where we were playing garbage units. And I imagine he has more chemistry, etc...and is a great for the locker room.

Knowing business, if I felt we could dump the Knight, and potentially Chandler eventually, I might match both, depending on the length of deal.

I'd keep both in that scenario, but really it would depend on if I believed that Sauce's games are legit. He had a small sample size. We have the cap space to keep both with so many under rookie deals.

[AtheJ415]

I probably wouldn't pay either one those numbers. But as bw said if they can clear knights deal then maybe Len. I just hate having too much money on role players. It's a good way to get in cap trouble and not have the room to either sign or trade for an real impact player. Theres an over saturation of bigs in the league so find some young dudes or cheaper vet options on short deals.

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We aren't contending or even looking to until 2020. So free agency isn't a big limitation imo. With trades you need the salary to match in most cases.

I don't think either is a big number for a big man in the current cap era. Adjusted for a couple years ago that is about $5 million for sauce and $9 million for Len.

[bwgood77]

I probably wouldn't pay either one those numbers. But as bw said if they can clear knights deal then maybe Len. I just hate having too much money on role players. It's a good way to get in cap trouble and not have the room to either sign or trade for an real impact player. Theres an over saturation of bigs in the league so find some young dudes or cheaper vet options on short deals.

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We aren't contending or even looking to until 2020. So free agency isn't a big limitation imo. With trades you need the salary to match in most cases.

I don't think either is a big number for a big man in the current cap era. Adjusted for a couple years ago that is about $5 million for sauce and $9 million for Len.

Yes, to lock either in those deals is probably good value for trade purposes. Letting them walk is worse....with those salaries they are both tradeable if needed. And if they got offered those deals and we matched that just proves value.

[Saberestar]

Andrew Johnson (@CountingBaskets) made a prelim model for the Free Agency.
Interesting results so far
He has Alex Len getting 12M/yr and Big Sauce for 7M/yr

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qMOpi_1PS1FctDcVjlXteZglF5BAQIi2okwbHHPWhL4/edit#gid=0

Every summer the same old story...people projecting low salaries for FAs.
Except a couple of steals, every FA is gonna be overpaid (not really, but this is gonna be the perception around the majority of the fans).

Knowing that, I expect around $17M/yr for Len and 9M/year for Williams. I would sign Big Sauce as our backup C at that price.

[King4Day]

They have Livingston at 1.6 mil for next season? I feel like a team in need of a vet guard will happily sign him for much more. Unless he just wants to keep winning and doesn't care about his money. But given he lost a lot of money early in his career due to that injury, I can see him bolting for a final decent payday.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I probably wouldn't pay either one those numbers. But as bw said if they can clear knights deal then maybe Len. I just hate having too much money on role players. It's a good way to get in cap trouble and not have the room to either sign or trade for an real impact player. Theres an over saturation of bigs in the league so find some young dudes or cheaper vet options on short deals.

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We aren't contending or even looking to until 2020. So free agency isn't a big limitation imo. With trades you need the salary to match in most cases.

I don't think either is a big number for a big man in the current cap era. Adjusted for a couple years ago that is about $5 million for sauce and $9 million for Len.

Yes, to lock either in those deals is probably good value for trade purposes. Letting them walk is worse....with those salaries they are both tradeable if needed. And if they got offered those deals and we matched that just proves value.

I just worry those deals start to add up after a while. They already have over 40M committed to Chandler, Knight, and Dudley the next two plus years. If they are giving out long term money I would rather extend Warren than sign either of the bigs. Now if you move Chandler and or Knight then maybe you extend one of Williams or Len. Or if either guy was willing to do a 2 year prove it type deal I would be much more interested than if they sign 4 year offer sheets. IMO the Suns should keep their cap as clean as possible for the summer of 2019. That's when Bledsoe, Chandler, and Dudley all expire and that would also be the year that Bookers extension would kick in. If all would break right they could have an ascending young team that offseason and could be attractive to FA's that could put them over the top. Plus I just feel like you can find the production you're looking for out of Williams or Len with a second round pick or a cheap flyer type (someone like Dedmond was this year for the spurs).

[WeekapaugGroove]

Plus there are other creative ways to use cap space. They could take on a contract from a team like Portland looking to shed money and get an asset like a 1st rounder for their trouble. I would be a little leery to do this deal because it adds money to the summer of 2019 but if I had to choose between paying Len 4yrs 48M or taking Meyer Leonard's 3 yrs and 30M plus a 1st round pick I would rather do the Portland deal.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I don't see keeping Len as an option at this point. He belongs behind Alan and Dragan in the rotation. You can't put him there. The only reason to keep his cap hold is to S&T, probably in exchange for nothing more than a TPE.