NBA Draft and NCAA Basketball

Bogyo · Post #321 » by **Bogyo** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:22 am

Miles Bridges also had a very good game, and looks like a legit NBA wing. I know he is not a freshman, but he should go top 10.
Bruce Brown opened the season with a triple double, he is in late lottery territory, could also be a nice wing.

I havent really seen any good PGs to mention.

Post #322 » by **ATTL** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:01 am

I didn't watch the game but trevon duval had 8 points 8 assists. If he comes out he may be a good prospect to nab depending on where our second pick is

Bogyo · Post #323 » by **Bogyo** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:20 am

ATTL wrote:I didn't watch the game but trevon duval had 8 points 8 assists. If he comes out he may be a good prospect to nab depending on where our second pick is

Yeah, he is still one of the top 3 PG's in the draft. If he develops a jumper he will be taken around 10 I think.

No-Man · Post #324 » by **No-Man** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:38 am

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Mulhollanddrive · Post #325 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:09 pm

Duval could be similar to Rondo, but I think our PG has to be able to shoot the 3.

Bogyo · Post #326 » by **Bogyo** » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:16 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Duval could be similar to Rondo, but I think our PG has to be able to shoot the 3.

Unless everybody else is a 35%+ 3PT shooter on the squad, which would be perfect for a drive and dish PG. But thats very unlikely, even in todays NBA. Your PG has to be at least a league-average shooter nowdays.

Post #327 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 5:21 am

If you ever want to look at sortable draft prospect stats, go here https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/prospects/stats

There is also a link to this in the post I have in the Announcements section (second link after rookie sortable stats).

Mulhollanddrive · Post #328 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:42 am

Interesting the 6th pick in some mocks Jaren Jackson had 13 points, 13 rebounds, 4 blocks, 3 assists, 2 steals.

Also looking back at the drafts this decade All-Star strike rates (with some forecasting):

Pick 1 = 77%
Pick 2-6 = 22%
Pick 7-14 = 15%

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #329 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:21 pm

This draft is going to be tough for us. We have two and only two holes in our lineups, at the 1 and 5. Our SG spot is manned by our star player and a promising recent draftee. Our SF spot by our second best player, backed up by our most recent #4. Our PF spot by a #4 and #8 pick. At PG, we have a backup in Ulis. At C, other than Bender's ability to back up that spot, no young talent.

We'll likely get MIL's 2nd this year - a pick in the high 40s, low 50s. We'll almost certainly get MIA's 1st, probably somewhere in the 10-20 range, but hard to say where in that range. And then our own picks - barring a lottery win, probably somewhere between 6 and 10 and 36-40. Assuming the middle of each of these ranges, that's 8, 15, 38, 50. Too many picks to use. [Edited]

If we wanted to move up at the top, it is conceivable that one of DAL or CHI might be interested in moving down. Plenty of talent in the mid lottery, and both of those teams are currently on slow rebuilding paths, lacking much in the way of young talent. But trades out of the top 5 are in general very rare.

It will be interesting to see if we try to unload Knight using a couple of those picks. I expect we'd try to use the seconds to move up a spot or two from 15 and 20. Or maybe we could package those two picks to move into the 9-11 range... would it be worth it?

Bottom line, it is going to be hard to get down to two picks. We'll probably end up making three selections, barring something strange. And we probably won't get Ayton or Bamba. But we will also probably have our pick of the PGs and our pick of the second tier Cs, including the several PF/Cs hanging out at the mid-back of the lottery. So at this early stage, the prospects I'm looking at are:

Jaren Jackson (PF) - Looks like a top 3 prospect in most drafts, but can we shoehorn him into the 5 spot?

Lonnie Walker (SG) - Don't know much about him, and he's listed as a SG rather than a combo guard. But if he's BPA, could we slot him in at the 1?

Nick Richards (C) - nbadraft.net comparing him to Camby/Cauley-Stein, which sounds pretty close to what we need at the 5 spot.

Mitchell Robinson (C) - 5-star recruit skipping college to prepare for the 2018 draft, reneging on his commitment to Western Kentucky. Great physical profile, but really raw. Our scouts will have to work hard with this one to make sure they're neither drafting a loser nor passing on a future star.

Trevon Duval (PG) - 10 assists in his first game for the Blue Devils. Loved what little I saw of him in the McDonald's All-American game.

Collin Sexton (PG) - A scoring PG possessing elite athleticism. Has the tools to be very good defensively. Even if that isn't what we need, if he's BPA where we pick, maybe he's the guy.

Robert Williams (PF/C) - Liked him in last year's draft, great shot blocker, long arms, great athlete. But I read that his summer didn't go so well. He'll have to prove himself over again. And is any more of a C than Chriss or Bender?

Wendell Carter (PF/C) - Not what I had in mind from our center spot, as this kid is stuck to the ground. Smart and big, though. You always worry about how guys like this will transition to the league (see Randle, Okafor). But Al Horford starts at center for the current #1 seed in the east.

I expect to get at least one of the players on this list and very possibly two. Curious, though... who would we sign in 2019 who would not supplant a recently drafted lottery talent? Deandre Jordan? Chris Paul? Maybe we just skip that part of the plan and sign nothing but a bunch of Jared Dudleys.

Post #330 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:29 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:We'll likely get MIL's 1st and 2nd this year - a pick in the high teens, low 20s and another in the high 30s, low 40s.

We can't get MIL's 1st and 2nd this year. We likely get one or the other, unless they get the 17th pick, then we get neither. If their pick is between 11 and 16, we get their first, but then their second would be between 41 and 46 and we only get that one if it is 48-60.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #331 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:31 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:We'll likely get MIL's 1st and 2nd this year - a pick in the high teens, low 20s and another in the high 30s, low 40s.

We can't get MIL's 1st and 2nd this year. We likely get one or the other, unless they get the 17th pick, then we get neither. If their pick is between 11 and 16, we get their first, but then their second would be between 41 and 46 and we only get that one if it is 48-60.

Drat! Thanks for the correction. Somehow that fact slipped right out of my head as I was writing.

Makes it easier, actually: 8, 15, 38, 50.

Post #332 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:38 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:We'll likely get MIL's 1st and 2nd this year - a pick in the high teens, low 20s and another in the high 30s, low 40s.

We can't get MIL's 1st and 2nd this year. We likely get one or the other, unless they get the 17th pick, then we get neither. If their pick is between 11 and 16, we get their first, but then their second would be between 41 and 46 and we only get that one if it is 48-60.

Drat! Thanks for the correction. Somehow that fact slipped right out of my head as I was writing.

Makes it easier, actually: 8, 15, 38, 50.

ESPN has Sexton ranked 8th and Duval ranked 11th. They have Jaren Jackson ranked 9th and listed as a PF/C and he had 13 rebounds and 4 blocks in his first game. Also 3 assists and 2 steals.

Duke plays Michigan St on Tuesday night so Jackson will be going against Bagley and of course you'll get to see Duval if you watch.

Bogyo · Post #333 » by **Bogyo** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:46 pm

We also get Torontos 2nd and might get Memphis's 2nd from the Daniels trade, although I remember that there is some heavy protection on that, so not sure.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #334 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:25 pm

Bogyo wrote:We also get Torontos 2nd and might get Memphis's 2nd from the Daniels trade, although I remember that there is some heavy protection on that, so not sure.

Crap... there's actually TWO more. Forgot about TOR's. So in total, that's (est.):

#8
#15
#38
#45 (second most favorable MIA-CHA-MEM 2d)
#50 (MIL)
#55 (TOR)

Given the youth we already have, that is simply too many. We need to deal.

Post #335 » by **bwgood77** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 4:50 pm

cosmofizzo wrote:
Bogyo wrote:We also get Torontos 2nd and might get Memphis's 2nd from the Daniels trade, although I remember that there is some heavy protection on that, so not sure.

Crap... there's actually TWO more. Forgot about TOR's. So in total, that's (est.):

#8
#15
#38
#45 (second most favorable MIA-CHA-MEM 2d)
#50 (MIL)
#55 (TOR)

Given the youth we already have, that is simply too many. We need to deal.

Load up the G league team! We need as much talent in the minor leagues as we can find. If we can consolidate, or trade them for future 2nds, fine. I just hope we don't sell picks. Such a waste.

gaspar · Post #336 » by **gaspar** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:03 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
cosmofizzo wrote:We'll likely get MIL's 1st and 2nd this year - a pick in the high teens, low 20s and another in the high 30s, low 40s.

We can't get MIL's 1st and 2nd this year. We likely get one or the other, unless they get the 17th pick, then we get neither. If their pick is between 11 and 16, we get their first, but then their second would be between 41 and 46 and we only get that one if it is 48-60.

Well, technically speaking it is possible for the Suns to get Milwaukee's 1st AND 2nd round picks because the 2nd round ties are in reverse order. For example, If there's a 3-way tie for spots #16(MIL), #17(UTA) and #18(NYK) in the first round, the 2nd round order would be: #46 (NYK), #47(UTA) and #48 (MIL) and both Bucks' pick would convey to Phoenix.

Damkac · Post #337 » by **Damkac** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:43 pm

Best scenario would be getting Ayton or Bamba. But i'm starting to think that drafting wing wouldn't be terrible either. It would require Book to play pg but it could work:

Booker
Doncic
Jackson/Warren

or

Booker
Jackson
Porter

Especially in the first scenario true pg wouldn't be needed because Booker and Doncic are both talented passers.

Post #338 » by **lilfishi22** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:26 pm

Can someone convince me why Doncic is as good of a prospect as he is? This is a pretty stacked draft and he's being talked about as possibly going #1. I haven't watched a whole lot film on him but I'm just not sure.

Damkac · Post #339 » by **Damkac** » Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:35 pm

Watch on YouTube

Ryu · Post #340 » by **Ryu** » Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:02 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Can someone convince me why Doncic is as good of a prospect as he is? This is a pretty stacked draft and he's being talked about as possibly going #1. I haven't watched a whole lot film on him but I'm just not sure.

That kid is like the best player in Europe right now. At 18 years old. Playing in the second best league in the world.

Who would you take at 3 if Ayton/Doncic gone?