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Re: Welcome Cam Johnson 

Post#321 » by bwgood77 » Fri Mar 4, 2022 1:00 am

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Saberestar wrote:Today it's his birthday (26).

What about his next contract? He is playing great and I think he deserves a little less than Mikal. Probably around $80M/4 years.


I don't know. It depends on whether they gauge market value or just give him a contract. I don't think they gauged market value with him.

I am unsure who I see offering him that much. There are something like 5 teams with cap space. I don't really see Detroit or OKC doing it. Orlando or SA maybe, though SA got McDermott and has lots of wings. Portland might be the main one.

I think it depends on his play and if it keeps up or regresses a little more than before shooting wise like last year. I think he is benefitting with the injuries and getting more playing time.

Ignoring comparison to bloated Shamet contract, I think anywhere from $15 million to $20 million maybe. Some elite shooters of past have gotten overpaid. He certainly deserves as much as guys like Duncan Robinson and Bertans. Value is kind of all over the place. OG makes about $18 I think. Bojan Bogdanovic makes around that too. Then Zach Lavine, Sabonis and FVV make around that.

My guess is something like 4/$72, but all those others have or had been starters for awhile and have been all stars and all star caliber for at least 2 years.

Normally it doesn't seem like we overpay but did with Shamet.

Prior to this year 538 has his value at around $10 million. They had Bridges at a little over $25 million. Obviously Cam's is definitely low, but he's not longer a sub 35% 3pt shooter either....is elite this year and overall game continuing to improve.

It's kind of hard from another team's standpoint for them to want to offer $20 million a year, but obviously they can't this summer. We could also wait if they think he wants too much to see if he regresses a bit back down on shooting next year. No one really ever shoots his % consistently year after year.

Salaries go up and up every year, so most of those contracts are not a good comparison for Cam Johnson's contract extension.

He has increased his value and future salary with his play this season. Before th start of the season I was thinking around $60M/4 years, but that doesn't seem a realistic option anymore.


Well I tried to pick guys who got pretty recent contracts, at least with Robinson and Bertains...3 pt specialists. Obviously Cam can do more than shoot 3s though. Then I just threw in a few all stars who make around $20 who got contracts in the last couple of years.

I think something like 4/$75 million woudl be good. I'd probably offer 4/$60 and hope to get like 4/$64 - 4/$72 but go up to 4/$20 but would make sure it is an increasing contract with cap with lowest hits while we still have Paul...like 18.5/19.5/20.5/21.5 or something (that's an example based on 4/$80).
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Re: Welcome Cam Johnson 

Post#322 » by Qwigglez » Fri Mar 4, 2022 4:38 am

All I want to say is I hope we find a way to keep Cam Johnson long term along with Book, Bridges, and Ayton. Please don’t goof again Sarver, this is a dynasty. At the very least these four guys should be able to win the Suns 50 games a season even with a mediocre PG.
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Post#323 » by bwgood77 » Fri Mar 4, 2022 7:55 am

Qwigglez wrote:All I want to say is I hope we find a way to keep Cam Johnson long term along with Book, Bridges, and Ayton. Please don’t goof again Sarver, this is a dynasty. At the very least these four guys should be able to win the Suns 50 games a season even with a mediocre PG.


Yes, keep all 4. It may be tough to fill around the edges with no rookie deals, particularly if we have to use 1 or more to dump guys, but maybe we can find some cheap diamonds in the rough. GoK can email them like 200 options.
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Post#324 » by RunDogGun » Sat Mar 5, 2022 8:54 pm

This interview is awesome to listen to. He is such a smart player and I hope so badly that we can keep him. The way he talks about shooting and the dynamics of where his legs are and need to be. He is so smart, I could see him coaching later in life.
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Post#325 » by lilfishi22 » Sat Mar 5, 2022 11:20 pm

The kid is mature but then again he's 26. Not the typical 22-23 year old still on his 1st contract
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Post#326 » by RunDogGun » Sun Mar 6, 2022 12:46 am

lilfishi22 wrote:The kid is mature but then again he's 26. Not the typical 22-23 year old still on his 1st contract

Going to college for five years and completing his masters while playing for the Suns, shows he is quite bright. His age and maturity is probably one of the reason we got him. Getting a rookie that smart, and such a solid shooting touch at 11 was a great move. Honestly, at first, I didn’t see the trade as a good move. I wasn’t a fan of Saric, and thought his lack of rebounding at the four was a terrible move for us, since we really lacked multiple solid rebounders. Then getting Frank, who is also a poor rebounder, didn’t help the situation. I thought the number six pick would have been better used on a backup for Booker.

Johnson also had a rougher start when he came in, and started to look a bad pick. But when Oubre went down, he really stepped in nicely. He still lacks the rebounding I want from a starting 4, and with Mikal the starting three with his solid defense, lines are a little blurred. But with every interview he makes, he just sounds like a solid veteran without the ego. He has to be a dream to coach.
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Post#327 » by Saberestar » Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:13 am

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Post#328 » by Saberestar » Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:20 am

According to an agent source, the Suns are hesitant with Johnson because, 'When he's healthy [enough to play], he's still not healthy.'

"Johnson averaged 61 games a season over his first three years. Unfortunately, he suffered a sprained thumb four minutes into his second preseason game. The Suns may be looking for a Kyle Kuzma-type extension; he earned a flat $13 million per season in 2020 from the Los Angeles Lakers. Considering the rising cap, that might translate to a $15.5 million starting salary.

"Is that enough for Johnson to commit? He likely chooses to bet on himself and explore restricted free agency for a healthier payday in July."

https://www.si.com/nba/suns/.amp/news/phoenix-suns-hesitant-cam-johnson-extension-per-report

Hopefully they can agree on a deal in the middle ground.

Looking around the league Cam Johnson deserves at least $15M per year, but I wouldn't be surprised if he gets $20M per year. We need to take into consideration that his new contract will start in 2023/24.

With salaries going up I would be OK with extending him now for $80M/4 years.
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Post#329 » by sunsbg » Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:54 pm

$20M is the max I would pay him and that in case he has a very good season. Injury prone and not the answer at PF.
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Post#330 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:40 pm

I'll say again that for my part, I have him firmly in the 15-17 range given his injury/ health concerns. Also given his regression last season. For me, to warrant 20 million, he'd have to show consistent durability and a greater sample of skillset progression in terms of iso creation and defensive versatility. He's already in the 90% for getting to/ scoring around the rim. But he just needs a bit more refinement/ polish to his overall game for me to put him in the 20 million range. However, IF we in fact do get a more lucrative wealthy owner, then those stipulations become less important in connection to the contractual investment.

*** I think the suns themselves have him capped at 16 million for what they'd prefer to commit to him. :wink:
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Post#331 » by Fo-Real » Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:24 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:I'll say again that for my part, I have him firmly in the 15-17 range given his injury/ health concerns. Also given his regression last season. For me, to warrant 20 million, he'd have to show consistent durability and a greater sample of skillset progression in terms of iso creation and defensive versatility. He's already in the 90% for getting to/ scoring around the rim. But he just needs a bit more refinement/ polish to his overall game for me to put him in the 20 million range. However, IF we in fact do get a more lucrative wealthy owner, then those stipulations become less important in connection to the contractual investment.

*** I think the suns themselves have him capped at 16 million for what they'd prefer to commit to him. :wink:


Yeah, I was thinking 16-17 also.
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Post#332 » by Saberestar » Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:26 pm

sunsbg wrote:$20M is the max I would pay him and that in case he has a very good season. Injury prone and not the answer at PF.

How much would you offer him this week for an extension?
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Post#333 » by bwgood77 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:11 pm

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sunsbg wrote:$20M is the max I would pay him and that in case he has a very good season. Injury prone and not the answer at PF.

How much would you offer him this week for an extension?


Personally I don't have quite that much money to offer him an extension so I wouldn't be able to. I am unsure who makes these decisions right now but being how injury prone he is, I'd probably offer him around $14 million a year and maybe go up to $16 million with a team option in the final year, or better yet, incentives for games played.

Maybe 4/$56 but if he plays 70 games he gets a extra $3 million that year.
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Re: Welcome Cam Johnson 

Post#334 » by sunsbg » Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:39 pm

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sunsbg wrote:$20M is the max I would pay him and that in case he has a very good season. Injury prone and not the answer at PF.

How much would you offer him this week for an extension?


Let's say 17 though based on an article that was posted Suns are ready to offer him 18. Even if he has a good season I don't see the fit at PF and would not pay 20M for a bench player. More minutes while having to play against more physical players will not do anything good to his body. His 3rd year stats look exactly the same as Duncan Robinson's 3rd year stats, but he's less durable and Robinson's contract is considered bad now.
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Post#335 » by Damkac » Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:06 pm

Too good to trade for Durant.
Not good enough to give him extension.
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Post#336 » by sunsbg » Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:15 pm

Being off limit in a Durant trade is a complete nonsense, but waiting to see how he does in an increased role before giving him a fat contract makes perfect sense.
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Post#337 » by kennydorglas » Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:47 pm

Let's see if Cam is a contract year warrior or not.
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Post#338 » by Damkac » Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:52 pm

Sure it worked so well with Ayton, he loves to be on this team. Why not try it again?
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Post#339 » by garrick » Wed Oct 19, 2022 1:02 am

I think some of the injuries are due to him playing out of position at the PF and he takes more contact than someone like Bridges who hardly drives strong to the basket looking for contact.

Numerous times last season he would drive and get knocked down usually without a foul being called because as usual the Suns don't get the benefit of the doubt by the refs.
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Post#340 » by Frank Lee » Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:19 pm

He sure needs to not do this.


This no extension is a non story, other than the FO f-ed things up by dubbing him the starter. Imagine if they didn’t do that till near mid season. Guessing his camp thinking he deserves starter money, before actually starting.
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