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The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3

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Post#321 » by Saberestar » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:41 pm

Matt Moore

Tim Connelly just can never ever get KD
interested. He tried several times in Denver to
lure the DMV native and could never get
traction. Minnesota makes the most sense for
both teams.

League sources have said the Nets were
brought in as a potential third-team in a deal
construct, which would have helped move
money and contracts to help both teams
reshape their rosters. (No idea what they were
getting or sending, but I would speculatively
bet Nic Claxton to Phoenix was part of those
talks.)

But then KD did what it is his right, and sent
out word that he doesn't want to play there.
Maybe the Wolves pull the trigger anyway with
a "youll love us when you get here" concept.
After all, just swapping out components to
clear cap space next year would be valuable
for the Wolves long-term.

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Post#322 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:42 pm

Of course the Suns aren't going to get back the same value they sent out for KD. They rented him for 3 postseasons, it was a gamble that completely failed but regardless of the outcome there was always going to be a cost of the gamble.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#323 » by TeamTragic » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:51 pm

Definitely want to see what Grizzlies would offer.

KD rejecting the Wolves again is hilarious :lol:
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Post#324 » by Soca » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:51 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Of course the Suns aren't going to get back the same value they sent out for KD. They rented him for 3 postseasons, it was a gamble that completely failed but regardless of the outcome there was always going to be a cost of the gamble.


It's just an unfortunate situation things fell apart at the deadline. Butler, Kuminga and 2 first round picks would have been a solid package.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#325 » by RaisingArizona » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:54 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Of course the Suns aren't going to get back the same value they sent out for KD. They rented him for 3 postseasons, it was a gamble that completely failed but regardless of the outcome there was always going to be a cost of the gamble.

Yeah ESPN talking heads stating the obvious.

Interested to see what we can get from Memphis because I definitely don't like any of these other offers.
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Post#326 » by BobbieL » Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:58 pm

TeamTragic wrote:Definitely want to see what Grizzlies would offer.

KD rejecting the Wolves again is hilarious :lol:


The only player on the Grizzlies that really makes sense is JJJ
Wouldn't they want Ja and Durant to play together
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#327 » by sunsbum » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:03 pm

Another day of posturing. Boring. It’s fun to watch some of you sway with each gust of the wind. Memphis isn’t happening, why would he go there?
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Post#328 » by TeamTragic » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:07 pm

sunsbum wrote:Another day of posturing. Boring. It’s fun to watch some of you sway with each gust of the wind. Memphis isn’t happening, why would he go there?


Bucks are trying to build around Giannis with Kuzma on their roster and Dame out indefinitely so anything is possible.
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Post#329 » by RaisingArizona » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:21 pm

sunsbum wrote:Another day of posturing. Boring. It’s fun to watch some of you sway with each gust of the wind. Memphis isn’t happening, why would he go there?


Why not? We know ISH is after JJJ
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Post#330 » by NE1Care » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:24 pm

All of this speculation is fun and all but nothing will happen until the Finals are over.
Oklahoma or Indiana might want to rethink their line up depending on what happens and the official end of the season will ignite some urgency to start to build for next year. Just my $0.02.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#331 » by BobbieL » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:27 pm

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sunsbum wrote:Another day of posturing. Boring. It’s fun to watch some of you sway with each gust of the wind. Memphis isn’t happening, why would he go there?


Why not? We know ISH is after JJJ


JJJ is tricky as he only makes 23.4 and is due for an extension
Cole Anthony cannot be combined in a trade I do not believe
and I don't think KCP can as well since the trade was official and I am not sure either can be traded for 60 dyas
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#332 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:28 pm

TeamTragic wrote:
sunsbum wrote:Another day of posturing. Boring. It’s fun to watch some of you sway with each gust of the wind. Memphis isn’t happening, why would he go there?


Bucks are trying to build around Giannis with Kuzma on their roster and Dame out indefinitely so anything is possible.


With basically no picks or assets to try and do it.

Look at the bright side Suns fans, had they not traded for KD I really think the Suns would have been in on Dame the following summer. That would have ended up WAY worse.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#333 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:35 pm

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If we really do want to compete, that has to easily be the best deal.

We have one of the worst defenses in the league. With Gobert, he raises your floor to like top 10 defense. Then you get a prospect, a mid first round pick, we already have a late first rounder....you get some more ready athletic defenders who can shoot and maybe you compete for a play in spot.

I think once KD got ton Minny he might like it there.

Anyway I don't know if that really makes Minny better to remove Gobert and add a 37 year old and remove depth and potential youth.

I"m not sure what all the deals are, but being I want to rebuild and think we will deal Book within a 2 years (probably next summer or trade deadline 27) then we should just get as many young prospects and picks as possible.

I don't know much about Dillingham, but if he is a good prospect and we can use 17 wisely that's basically 2 1sts. I would rather re-trade Gobert wihin a year if we could get assets for him but not sure that is possible.

I know we will try and compete for a year but my main goal is still what package can get us the most assets/players that will still have impact 3-5 years or longer out from here?

It will be hard for us to add pieces until we control our own picks again in 2032 and beyond, so we need to try to add as many premier young assets before that time as we can, since all other teams are able to add them every year and they all have a big start on us as to where they are as a team.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#334 » by Puff » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:42 pm

sunsbum wrote:Another day of posturing. Boring. It’s fun to watch some of you sway with each gust of the wind. Memphis isn’t happening, why would he go there?


Maybe he wouldn't. However, maybe wants to cut ties with Morant. They have salary room to absorb KD and draft picks.

Would you take Ja and a butt load of draft picks for KD?
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#335 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:46 pm

RaptorLakerJay wrote:KCP, Cole, Konchar, Edey and two 1st round picks?

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I was thinking about this when the Bane deal was done. Is Bane worth KD, straight up? I lean no. So why wouldn't KD be worth four FRPs?

If KD wants to turn everyone down, so be it. Welcome to the party, Memphis! Welcome, everyone! Step right up, folks! All teams are eligible to apply! All offers will be considered!

In all seriousness, though. KD would fit great in Memphis, they own a lot of our draft equity, and they can absorb salary. A straight picks-and-filler-for-KD trade might be what makes the most sense.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#336 » by Slim Charless » Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:50 pm

Puff wrote:
sunsbum wrote:Another day of posturing. Boring. It’s fun to watch some of you sway with each gust of the wind. Memphis isn’t happening, why would he go there?


Maybe he wouldn't. However, maybe wants to cut ties with Morant. They have salary room to absorb KD and draft picks.

Would you take Ja and a butt load of draft picks for KD?


Why would KD go there without Ja? Why would they trade "boatload of picks" on top of Ja for 37 yr old KD, since they'd be rebuilding if Ja isn't there?

That makes 0 sense.

The trade-if it happens is to pair KD and Ja. Obviously.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#337 » by mkot » Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:01 pm

To me Dillingham is another Tim Connelly's draft pick a few years back in Denver - Bones Highland minus the drama. I actually think it's a bad pick or waste of opportunity for the Wolves to trade up to #8 in order to draft this guy, despite his talent Dillingham is not what the team needed but I digress...

Dillingham is a starter caliber PG who needs the ball in his hand to create for himself and others, he would thrive here with Book going back to SG. His ceiling is Trae Young type of production if he is allowed to be his best self.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#338 » by RaisingArizona » Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:06 pm

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If we really do want to compete, that has to easily be the best deal.

We have one of the worst defenses in the league. With Gobert, he raises your floor to like top 10 defense. Then you get a prospect, a mid first round pick, we already have a late first rounder....you get some more ready athletic defenders who can shoot and maybe you compete for a play in spot.

I think once KD got ton Minny he might like it there.

Anyway I don't know if that really makes Minny better to remove Gobert and add a 37 year old and remove depth and potential youth.

I"m not sure what all the deals are, but being I want to rebuild and think we will deal Book within a 2 years (probably next summer or trade deadline 27) then we should just get as many young prospects and picks as possible.

I don't know much about Dillingham, but if he is a good prospect and we can use 17 wisely that's basically 2 1sts. I would rather re-trade Gobert wihin a year if we could get assets for him but not sure that is possible.

I know we will try and compete for a year but my main goal is still what package can get us the most assets/players that will still have impact 3-5 years or longer out from here?

It will be hard for us to add pieces until we control our own picks again in 2032 and beyond, so we need to try to add as many premier young assets before that time as we can, since all other teams are able to add them every year and they all have a big start on us as to where they are as a team.


That's 2/3 good prospects and 2 good vets. That's not terrible. 3/5 stars.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#339 » by WuTang_CMB » Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:06 pm

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#340 » by Sunlight » Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:28 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Of course the Suns aren't going to get back the same value they sent out for KD. They rented him for 3 postseasons, it was a gamble that completely failed but regardless of the outcome there was always going to be a cost of the gamble.

Ishbia misjudged Booker. He thought Booker was a superstar like Haliburton and SGA. If he had been with the organization longer, the mistake wouldn't have happened. So he gave up too much to get Durant because there was no plan in place to trade Durant. And that's what this embarrassing show looks like.

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