2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

[RunDogGun]

Should be an interesting test case between him and Diva Doncic next season. Looking forward to it.

The bass player of my band would be upset, but I wouldn't mind Kidd ruining Dallas from within.

[bwoolf2]

Both Jones and Monty make mistakes too. It happens. Monty not playing Galloway in the second half of that Detroit game after he scored so much in the second quarter, showed me that he doesn't really care about a player who is just a "scorer" off the bench, even when they are hot.

There were many reason we got to the finals, and one of the reasons we lost was defense and Monty not calling time outs and making smart in game adjustments. Losing Willie Green from the coaching staff is a bit concerning on the defensive end. We need to play guys who can play two ways. Now maybe Shamet can be that two way player, but as of this moment, he just isn't. No hate, just facts.

It ok some people like to complain just to complain and constantly look at the negatives instead of the fact that by any measure we out performed what anyone thought last year. Those are Big Facts

Ha, I have tons of positives for this team. I have said multiple times that Monty has created a solid culture and environment. And that was needed more than in game adjustments. But I am not going to ignore facts. He lost games 4 and 5 for us. At this point, we already did what we did, no need to ignore stuff just to praise us for playing like we should.

Side note, were you complaining about what you thought was my complaining? We have many areas of improvement, and if the team isn't looking at ways to improve on last year, while many western teams did, well that would just be a terrible way to run a team.

But again you are assuming we didn't improve honest truth is right now none of know, we also don't know how much those other teams improved right now everyone is a paper champion, all I'm saying is let's see how the moves play out for 20 or 30 games before we make all these assumptions. Jones ability to build a team to this point should at the very least get fans benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

This is not to say you can't like or not like the moves for the Suns or others but thinking you know what or how teams are going to improve or not without playing games is kind of ridiculous

[RunDogGun]

I have only brought it up in response, and many of the posts I have ignored since they are getting old and repetitious, but I decided to try and convince you once again to give it a rest so these threads don't continue being flooded with this stuff. I've mentioned watching basketball twice. It's evident based on posts and what you discuss and having mentioned before you don't watch games.

You never posted in game threads either, for years, which isn't necessarily great evidence you didn't watch, but you did start suddenly being one of the most active game thread posters when we finally made the playoffs, so it was suddenly obvious you did start watching some or at least looking at #s.

Anyway, I pointed this out twice, because a Nets and Clippers posters having watched him in every game point out how great he is at shooting 3s in a variety of ways around the forums. I haven't watched Shamet a ton either but I have read a multitude of opinions from people who do watch him in every game around the forum, how it is amazing how quick he can get off shots and can do it in all sorts of ways. Even Zach Lowe just mentioned it.

On top of that, it is clearly in the rules to not to do what you are doing...and I've already mentioned to stop derailing multiple threads with this.

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I haven't "derailed" threads, I always return to the topic, and my comments stay according to the topic. You continue to single out posters, and I am not the only one. Your comment about me not watching games, I don't have to watch every game on game day to discuss this team and/or basketball., that is just ridiculous. And just because I hadn't posted in game threads is completely irrelevant since I didn't post because I wasn't on my computer, and my ipad was having issues when using this site. Since I changed computers and brought it to work, I have posted here more. But if you are trying to get rid of posters because you personally don't like them, well that is on you. But don't threaten suspension because you don't like my argument, and often and relevant that argument can come up.

I get it, you don't like me, and go out of your way to make that clear. If I get banned, I have plenty of your retorts to plead my case higher up than you, and I won't need to make up what you said like you do with what I have said. Dude, you have brought up Curry three times on this topic, when he has absolutely nothing to do with the topic, nor anyone's point on the topic. Maybe you should ban yourself for derailing? Moreover, your constant insults about "watching games" and not "really knowing basketball" is negatively affecting posters. Warn yourself.

Now back to the topic of season/offseason speculations....

[RunDogGun]

But again you are assuming we didn't improve honest truth is right now none of know, we also don't know how much those other teams improved right now everyone is a paper champion, all I'm saying is let's see how the moves play out for 20 or 30 games before we make all these assumptions. Jones ability to build a team to this point should at the very least get fans benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

This is not to say you can't like or not like the moves for the Suns or others but thinking you know what or how teams are going to improve or not without playing games is kind of ridiculous

I am not assuming we didn't "improve". We didn't improve on our starting line up, for we still have the same guys starting. Now can three of those guys improve on their game, sure they can, and I hope they do, but as of now, there was zero improvement to the starting line up from a month ago. Other western teams have, and we will have to face them.

Bench has improved with regards to center, McGee(not officially a Sun yet) is an improvement over Frank, and defensively better than both Saric and Frank, but that is just an 8-10 minute slot off the bench in one position, and that is hoping he fits well with everyone, and can hustle that whole 8-10 minutes. I think he will be fine, if he ever gets announced as being on the team.

Losing Craig hurts us defensively, and we haven't picked up anyone who could guard guys like Giannis, so we are still lacking. I see us around 4-6 in the West this upcoming season. Last year was our best chance to get a chip, unless Booker, Ayton, Bridges, and Johnson take another step up.

[bwoolf2]

But again you are assuming we didn't improve honest truth is right now none of know, we also don't know how much those other teams improved right now everyone is a paper champion, all I'm saying is let's see how the moves play out for 20 or 30 games before we make all these assumptions. Jones ability to build a team to this point should at the very least get fans benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

This is not to say you can't like or not like the moves for the Suns or others but thinking you know what or how teams are going to improve or not without playing games is kind of ridiculous

I am not assuming we didn't "improve". We didn't improve on our starting line up, for we still have the same guys starting. Now can three of those guys improve on their game, sure they can, and I hope they do, but as of now, there was zero improvement to the starting line up from a month ago. Other western teams have, and we will have to face them.

Bench has improved with regards to center, McGee(not officially a Sun yet) is an improvement over Frank, and defensively better than both Saric and Frank, but that is just an 8-10 minute slot off the bench in one position, and that is hoping he fits well with everyone, and can hustle that whole 8-10 minutes. I think he will be fine, if he ever gets announced as being on the team.

Losing Craig hurts us defensively, and we haven't picked up anyone who could guard guys like Giannis, so we are still lacking. I see us around 4-6 in the West this upcoming season. Last year was our best chance to get a chip, unless Booker, Ayton, Bridges, and Johnson take another step up.

We will agree to disagree on our best chance to win a chip, Jordan LeBron 27 when they won their 1st young teams don't win in the NBA and our best players are years away from. Their primes 28 to 33 for most nba players. And there is no one currently in the NBA that can guard Giannis, Ayton for the most part was one of the better defenders on him throughout their match-ups. He is an impossible guard especially the way he is reffed.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Spurs are reported as being interested in Simmons, I wonder if we go in as a 3rd team to facilitate that deal and end up with Young?

Certain fans still seem to pine over Saric from his days there! And were open to trades that would be see him returning. Now obviously I'm unsure of what such a trade might look like, But in smaller pieces, As a 3rd team, If we could somehow get back ( inclusive to the deal) Paul Reed ( Swap for Smith)? And a decent rotational 4 back, I'd be fully intrigued)?
Also, What would San Antonio have of equivalent value to offer Philly for Simmons with Derozan now gone? Would San Antonio have anything they'd want for Simmons? Would Murray or White plus whatever we'd add Bridge that gap?

Actually of the three Warriors/ Spurs/ Wolves, I believe that Minnesota has the best chance of landing Simmons. UNLESS, Golden State is willing to part with a package of Kuminga/ Moody/ Draymond/ picks??

Minnesota could likely offer Ant/ Beasley/ McDaniels and multiple picks? Both are really good value for Philly honestly. Just not sure if the Warriors would be willing to outbid the Wolves by surrendering both lottery picks plus Draymond? Also not sure what premium assets San Antonio has that Philly would consider equitable value for Simmons ( Their asking price being pretty steep though) But whatever team does trade for Simmons, We should absolutely be looking to join as a 3rd team facilitator. Especially with their percieved interest in reacquiring Saric??

[RunDogGun]

We will agree to disagree on our best chance to win a chip, Jordan LeBron 27 when they won their 1st young teams don't win in the NBA and our best players are years away from. Their primes 28 to 33 for most nba players. And there is no one currently in the NBA that can guard Giannis, Ayton for the most part was one of the better defenders on him throughout their match-ups. He is an impossible guard especially the way he is reffed.

I would hate to break it to you, but we don't have any guys on the level of MJ or Lebron. The West is just as tough if not tougher than last year. I don't think other teams will have as many injuries to top players like last year, and it could easily happen to us as it did other teams. But even LAL, with both Lebron and AD, managed to improve their starting point guard spot, with the master of the triple double.

I will agree about how Giannis is called, but there are guys that can limit him. I am fine with Ayton guarding him, but my point was more about taller pfs, that Craig did a decent job guarding. We never replaced Craig really, we are just hoping the spot minutes Nader will get can do what Craig did. But honestly, I think Monty will play Shamet more than Nader, so I think the difference between Craig and Shamet in that regards will hurt us, and if Nader gets more, it will be closer.

[bwoolf2]

We will agree to disagree on our best chance to win a chip, Jordan LeBron 27 when they won their 1st young teams don't win in the NBA and our best players are years away from. Their primes 28 to 33 for most nba players. And there is no one currently in the NBA that can guard Giannis, Ayton for the most part was one of the better defenders on him throughout their match-ups. He is an impossible guard especially the way he is reffed.

I would hate to break it to you, but we don't have any guys on the level of MJ or Lebron. The West is just as tough if not tougher than last year. I don't think other teams will have as many injuries to top players like last year, and it could easily happen to us as it did other teams. But even LAL, with both Lebron and AD, managed to improve their starting point guard spot, with the master of the triple double.

I will agree about how Giannis is called, but there are guys that can limit him. I am fine with Ayton guarding him, but my point was more about taller pfs, that Craig did a decent job guarding. We never replaced Craig really, we are just hoping the spot minutes Nader will get can do what Craig did. But honestly, I think Monty will play Shamet more than Nader, so I think the difference between Craig and Shamet in that regards will hurt us, and if Nader gets more, it will be closer.

You completely missed the point go back and look at teams that have ever won a championship and tell me which teams won those championships with their best players under the age of 25. And at 24 Booker is on track to be a top 5 top 10 player in this league when he hits his prime.

Nadar and Shamet and Craig for that matter play different positions so that's apple's and oranges, and I liked Craig but he was out matched size wise we played him more out of necessity he didn't even get on the floor for the Bucks, I don't see him as a game changer for this team Mcgee will more than make up for the minutes we were forced to ay Craig or at least should

[Puff]

Again, we can stop this, "if anyone watches basketball" crap. We all watch basketball here, and we all know that guys who can play both sides of the ball and play team basketball are better to play than chuckers, unless those chuckers are already stars. Nader is a good defender, and can handle the switches, and guard guys that are either smaller or bigger than him. He also doesn't take the ball out of our real shooters' hands.

I like Nader as a third string, but Shamet is on a higher tier as a player. They are not even comparable.

Nader is a solid energy guy, but for now he has not shown that he can be more than that.

I think they both have a place on this team. It should be a very competitive battle for minutes in the upcoming season. I would expect that Shamet will be first in line but if healthy Nader offers a potentially better defensive player. He reportedly has a 7 foot wingspan. On top of that I also expect that he might have been brought here from OKC based on a suggestion from CP3.

I like both of them. It is a pleasant upgrade in bench talent based on teams assembled prior to James Jones being our GM.

[RunDogGun]

You completely missed the point go back and look at teams that have ever won a championship and tell me which teams won those championships with their best players under the age of 25. And at 24 Booker is on track to be a top 5 top 10 player in this league when he hits his prime.

Nadar and Shamet and Craig for that matter play different positions so that's apple's and oranges, and I liked Craig but he was out matched size wise we played him more out of necessity he didn't even get on the floor for the Bucks, I don't see him as a game changer for this team Mcgee will more than make up for the minutes we were forced to ay Craig or at least should

So your point is because our team is young, that means we will have a better chance, while ignoring all the in juries of other teams that hindered their chances of getting to the finals? Sorry, just can't logically make that jump.

Again, I don't see another year where every good team in the west had injuries to top players, like they did this last year. And the odds would say there is just a good chance the injury bug bites us. If all teams are at full strength, we will have a tough time getting to the finals again, at least this season with our current starting line up and bench.

We play multiple wing position, so technically Nader, Shamet, and Craig all have similar roles of spot minutes using their strengths. And screens are the name of the game, so you need a guy in those roles, who can switch and guard multiple positions, and then take spot up threes or crash the boards. Craig did that job well. Came in, played tough D, hit shots.

I don't know why we didn't play Craig more in the Bucks series. Maybe when he hurt his knee it affected his game more than we knew. I think he was better defensively than others we played. And I thought he did a good job of switching from Giannis to Middleton. I just don't think either Nader or Shamet will be able to make that switch defensively. Moreover, Craig really went after almost every rebound. Nader has that hustle, but just not as successful as Craig.

McGee is limited and I just don't see him getting minutes with Ayton, so I don't see McGee as a replacement for Craig in any way shape or form. But yes, I would rather have McGee playing center than Craig. But I would take Craig at sf/pf over McGee, especially with this offense. Lastly, McGee isn't a Sun yet.

[bwgood77]

I wouldn't normally consider trading off pieces of our core depth for an attempt at a big name player in a consolidation of assets type of trade, But upon reflection with what we're trying to accomplish on a shortened window with Paul, And with the possibility of Booker and Paul BOTH becoming free agents in 2024, IF you have a legitimate chance to get a Siakim even at the expense of a package of something like: Bridges/ Saric/ Crowder/ Smith/ Multiple firsts, I believe that you have to go for it!!!

In this premise, You go " All in" now for the next two seasons as a legitimate strong title contender!! And then in 2023/24 IF you get the strong feeling that Book and Siakim won't resign, You do your best to expedite a sign and trade for another premium player or high draft picks and assets to speed up your rebuild around Ayton and whatever tangible depth that you have left.

And if Book or Siakim does resign, You still execute your best sign and trade ( with their desired team) for whichever player of the two decides they're leaving and not resigning! I think in that context, We could remain viable as a playoff team too. But being able to have a starting lineup of:

Paul/ Booker/ Cam/ Siakim/ Ayton could legitimately match up against any contending team in the league. I also think that a frontcourt of Ayton and Siakim would be really strong against the Flakers big frontcourt with Davis, And against the Bucks frontline of Giannis and Lopez! I think that Siakim would matchup really well defensively against Giannis or AD for us too. So I've really warmed up to this idea ( IF POSSIBLE)???

We don't have enough to get Siakam. Yes under normal circumstances it would take Bridges but they have almost a clone in OG who they just paid.

[bwoolf2]

You completely missed the point go back and look at teams that have ever won a championship and tell me which teams won those championships with their best players under the age of 25. And at 24 Booker is on track to be a top 5 top 10 player in this league when he hits his prime.

Nadar and Shamet and Craig for that matter play different positions so that's apple's and oranges, and I liked Craig but he was out matched size wise we played him more out of necessity he didn't even get on the floor for the Bucks, I don't see him as a game changer for this team Mcgee will more than make up for the minutes we were forced to ay Craig or at least should

So your point is because our team is young, that means we will have a better chance, while ignoring all the in juries of other teams that hindered their chances of getting to the finals? Sorry, just can't logically make that jump.

Again, I don't see another year where every good team in the west had injuries to top players, like they did this last year. And the odds would say there is just a good chance the injury bug bites us. If all teams are at full strength, we will have a tough time getting to the finals again, at least this season with our current starting line up and bench.

We play multiple wing position, so technically Nader, Shamet, and Craig all have similar roles of spot minutes using their strengths. And screens are the name of the game, so you need a guy in those roles, who can switch and guard multiple positions, and then take spot up threes or crash the boards. Craig did that job well. Came in, played tough D, hit shots.

I don't know why we didn't play Craig more in the Bucks series. Maybe when he hurt his knee it affected his game more than we knew. I think he was better defensively than others we played. And I thought he did a good job of switching from Giannis to Middleton. I just don't think either Nader or Shamet will be able to make that switch defensively. Moreover, Craig really went after almost every rebound. Nader has that hustle, but just not as successful as Craig.

McGee is limited and I just don't see him getting minutes with Ayton, so I don't see McGee as a replacement for Craig in any way shape or form. But yes, I would rather have McGee playing center than Craig. But I would take Craig at sf/pf over McGee, especially with this offense. Lastly, McGee isn't a Sun yet.

Craig played about 10 minutes a game you don't see Mcgee getting that many minutes? And I appreciate Craig's hustle but we played him at pf and center and there is no way he is a better rebounder or interior defender than Mcgee, permiter d and shooting sure but I actually think Nadar is a better shooter and perimeter defender.

Anyways we will agree to disagree on most things but neither of us really knows **** so we will see how it all plays out until then we are left with our opinions.

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[RunDogGun]

Again, we can stop this, "if anyone watches basketball" crap. We all watch basketball here, and we all know that guys who can play both sides of the ball and play team basketball are better to play than chuckers, unless those chuckers are already stars. Nader is a good defender, and can handle the switches, and guard guys that are either smaller or bigger than him. He also doesn't take the ball out of our real shooters' hands.

I like Nader as a third string, but Shamet is on a higher tier as a player. They are not even comparable.

Nader is a solid energy guy, but for now he has not shown that he can be more than that.

I think they both have a place on this team. It should be a very competitive battle for minutes in the upcoming season. I would expect that Shamet will be first in line but if healthy Nader offers a potentially better defensive player. He reportedly has a 7 foot wingspan. On top of that I also expect that he might have been brought here from OKC based on a suggestion from CP3.

I like both of them. It is a pleasant upgrade in bench talent based on teams assembled prior to James Jones being our GM.

We have a better team than many teams other Suns' gms have assembled. If we look at players who played during the playoffs, we went from CP#, Booker, Bridges, Crowder, Ayton, Payne, Johnson, Craig, Saric, Nader, Frank to what I expect to be CP3, Booker, Bridges, Crowder, Ayton, Payne, Johnson, McGee, Shamet, Nader. So in the end, we replaced Saric's minutes with McGee (if he actually is a Sun) and Craig's minutes to Shamet.

Now maybe Monty can get more out of Shamet defensively, but I just don't think that will happen. Also Monty really isn't known for benching guys that chuck, but instead playing guys he likes. So a switch from Craig to Shamet in minutes, will most likely not be an upgrade team wise.

I like Nader, don't have anything personally against Shamet, although everyone thinks I do, I would rather give those minutes to Bridges, Johnson, and Payne, before either Nader or Shamet. So the way I look at it, Nader and Shamet get Carter and Galloway's minutes, while Payton gets Moore's minutes. And I guess Johnson gets Craig's minutes? If that is an upgrade, well we will have to see.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I wouldn't normally consider trading off pieces of our core depth for an attempt at a big name player in a consolidation of assets type of trade, But upon reflection with what we're trying to accomplish on a shortened window with Paul, And with the possibility of Booker and Paul BOTH becoming free agents in 2024, IF you have a legitimate chance to get a Siakim even at the expense of a package of something like: Bridges/ Saric/ Crowder/ Smith/ Multiple firsts, I believe that you have to go for it!!!

In this premise, You go " All in" now for the next two seasons as a legitimate strong title contender!! And then in 2023/24 IF you get the strong feeling that Book and Siakim won't resign, You do your best to expedite a sign and trade for another premium player or high draft picks and assets to speed up your rebuild around Ayton and whatever tangible depth that you have left.

And if Book or Siakim does resign, You still execute your best sign and trade ( with their desired team) for whichever player of the two decides they're leaving and not resigning! I think in that context, We could remain viable as a playoff team too. But being able to have a starting lineup of:

Paul/ Booker/ Cam/ Siakim/ Ayton could legitimately match up against any contending team in the league. I also think that a frontcourt of Ayton and Siakim would be really strong against the Flakers big frontcourt with Davis, And against the Bucks frontline of Giannis and Lopez! I think that Siakim would matchup really well defensively against Giannis or AD for us too. So I've really warmed up to this idea ( IF POSSIBLE)???

We don't have enough to get Siakam. Yes under normal circumstances it would take Bridges but they have almost a clone in OG who they just paid.

Very true! And all things considered, I'd probably be more content with keeping our promising core together. And would prefer if relegated to being a 3rd team facilitator ( which still benefits us in the right situation) to move Sarics' contract along with a future heavily protected first for a rotational piece coming back in the deal. In that regard, I'd still be quite content!

The question is, What teams have legitimate assets to pull this off? And how could we get involved? If it's one of Golden State/ San Antonio/ Minnesota ( realistically), What is our best theoretical return as a 3rd team facilitator in any of those deals with Philly, Is there any team of those three that you'd hope to get an asset back from ?

[RunDogGun]

Craig played about 10 minutes a game you don't see Mcgee getting that many minutes? And I appreciate Craig's hustle but we played him at pf and center and there is no way he is a better rebounder or interior defender than Mcgee, permiter d and shooting sure but I actually think Nadar is a better shooter and perimeter defender.

Anyways we will agree to disagree on most things but neither of us really knows **** so we will see how it all plays out until then we are left with our opinions.

I have said multiple times that McGee would get at least 6-10 minutes, since he is really only Ayton's back up, and I hope Ayton can play more than 34 minutes a game. I don't really see why we would play both Ayton and McGee together. I just think it would kill our offense, and could easily be exposed by teams that can go small with deep shooters.

Not sure what we are agree and disagreeing on. We can still base our opinions on facts, while agreeing on facts, right? There are 240 minutes to give out during a game, and for the most part, you should be able to give your best players around 30 minutes a game. As far as guard minutes, where do you see that playing out? Did you think the CP3/Payne backcourt was terrible? Meaning, would you not play Payne at the two? CP3 and Payne shot 40 and 44% from three respectfully last year. I would much rather have them shooting threes than any guards we have. Wouldn't you?

At the forward spot, we really have three guys who are really sfs, but in our offense, is irrelevant. So that is 96 minutes. I would give 30 to Bridges, Johnson, and Crowder, which leaves 6 minutes for another player, and that could go to Nader on the sf end, or Stix on the pf end.

And the center position will be as many minutes we can get out of Ayton, and the rest to McGee and Stix/Frank .

After that, we have a drop off either offensively or defensively.

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[bwoolf2]

Craig played about 10 minutes a game you don't see Mcgee getting that many minutes? And I appreciate Craig's hustle but we played him at pf and center and there is no way he is a better rebounder or interior defender than Mcgee, permiter d and shooting sure but I actually think Nadar is a better shooter and perimeter defender.

Anyways we will agree to disagree on most things but neither of us really knows **** so we will see how it all plays out until then we are left with our opinions.

I have said multiple times that McGee would get at least 6-10 minutes, since he is really only Ayton's back up, and I hope Ayton can play more than 34 minutes a game. I don't really see why we would play both Ayton and McGee together. I just think it would kill our offense, and could easily be exposed by teams that can go small with deep shooters.

Not sure what we are agree and disagreeing on. We can still base our opinions on facts, while agreeing on facts, right? There are 240 minutes to give out during a game, and for the most part, you should be able to give your best players around 30 minutes a game. As far as guard minutes, where do you see that playing out? Did you think the CP3/Payne backcourt was terrible? Meaning, would you not play Payne at the two? CP3 and Payne shot 40 and 44% from three respectfully last year. I would much rather have them shooting threes than any guards we have. Wouldn't you?

At the forward spot, we really have three guys who are really sfs, but in our offense, is irrelevant. So that is 96 minutes. I would give 30 to Bridges, Johnson, and Crowder, which leaves 6 minutes for another player, and that could go to Nader on the sf end, or Stix on the pf end.

And the center position will be as many minutes we can get out of Ayton, and the rest to McGee and Stix/Frank .

After that, we have a drop off either offensively or defensively.

I wouldn't play Payne at the 2 if I didn't have to, I would also reduce CP3s minutes by quite a bit and Bookers as well at least 1st half of the season they are on the shortest break ever and played a ton of basketball with a full 82 game schedule ahead, actually think having a reliable scorer to come in for book last year really hurt the team.

Also if Cam Johnson eats Craig's minutes that's a plus he is easily the better player and taller, needs to add a little weight but he will. There is a reason he is going to get paid and Craig is bouncing around the league hoping to continue the career. Nice player but not on Johnsons level.