Suns Offseason Thread V: I Am My Brother's Kieffer

[saintEscaton]

people gonna find out real quick how good Bledsoe is this year. Nobody saw dragic exploding it took a Bledsoe injury to see what dragic had. Bledsoe has a legit PNR center and more PG responabilities his numbers will go up.

He's just as good as wall if not very slightly worse. If you took wall off that roster last season and replaced him with Bledsoe they still make the playoffs in the east and probably still go just as far.

Throw any stat out the window Bledsoe always going to get shafted by a two PG system or back up PG. This upcoming season is made for him to increase numbers

So would Bled have also shut down Kyle Lowry for an entire series while taking the first two games from the Raptors at their home one of which he had 16 assists in? Yeah I don't think so

[jcsunsfan]

He said that they would have gone just as far. He did not say his stats would be the same.

Bledsoe can be very good. He is not the distributor that wall is but Bled is a top pg defender.

My frustration is that some games he just seems totally out of it. It's like he is stoned some nights.

[Mulhollanddrive]

The single difference that Dragic made between sesaons, was his ability to score from anywhere at any time. He had to the rim, mid range and outside shooting all equally strong. Even though it only incresed his points by 4-5, that's the difference from a top 5 All-Star PG to being one of 10 above average PGs.

So the one barometer is to see if Bledsoe can put up extra shots from outside and make them enough to be able to go to it if defence gives him that. He had opportunities in past games where he was the primary scorer, and didn't take charge. Things like his handle and passing game have room to improve, but probably don't take him to the next level without the all-round scoring threat of the best PGs.

He's that extra step away from being a 20/5/5 player on above-average ORating and DRating (if we play some defence). But if it were that easy there wouldn't be 10 PGs just below at about 17/5 who never achieve that impact.

[bondom34]

Yeah, Westbrook taking 25-35-40 shots attempts per game is not ball hog territory.

Ah,made up stats are the best. He averages about 17, and is a better playmaker than anyone on the team. Yeah, I'll take the guy who's the second best scoring option on the team taking the second most shots on the team. Seems a sensible idea. Unless of course he should have been passing it to Perkins all these years.

[bwgood77]

Ah,made up stats are the best. He averages about 17, and is a better playmaker than anyone on the team. Yeah, I'll take the guy who's the second best scoring option on the team taking the second most shots on the team. Seems a sensible idea. Unless of course he should have been passing it to Perkins all these years.

But but but in games 44 and 80 he averaged 40.5 shots per game...not made up at all... http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01/gamelog/2015/

[bondom34]

Ah,made up stats are the best. He averages about 17, and is a better playmaker than anyone on the team. Yeah, I'll take the guy who's the second best scoring option on the team taking the second most shots on the team. Seems a sensible idea. Unless of course he should have been passing it to Perkins all these years.

But but but in games 44 and 80 he averaged 40.5 shots per game...not made up at all... http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01/gamelog/2015/

And still on about league average TS with the cherry picked games . I can't find the graph, but read an article recently about how insanely efficient he was at his usage.

[bondom34]

Found it:

http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/07/25/scoring-efficiency-by-touch-frequency/

[bwgood77]

Ah,made up stats are the best. He averages about 17, and is a better playmaker than anyone on the team. Yeah, I'll take the guy who's the second best scoring option on the team taking the second most shots on the team. Seems a sensible idea. Unless of course he should have been passing it to Perkins all these years.

But but but in games 44 and 80 he averaged 40.5 shots per game...not made up at all... http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01/gamelog/2015/

And still on about league average TS with the cherry picked games . I can't find the graph, but read an article recently about how insanely efficient he was at his usage.

Yes, he is a stud. I was actually paying close attention when he nearly averaged a triple double for the entire month of March. It was unbelievable. Ignoring the great scorer he is, the assists and rebounds alone put him top tier, and then add the 30 ppg or so...crazy good.

[MrMiyagi]

[bondom34]

But but but in games 44 and 80 he averaged 40.5 shots per game...not made up at all... http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01/gamelog/2015/

And still on about league average TS with the cherry picked games . I can't find the graph, but read an article recently about how insanely efficient he was at his usage.

Yes, he is a stud. I was actually paying close attention when he nearly averaged a triple double for the entire month of March. It was unbelievable. Ignoring the great scorer he is, the assists and rebounds alone put him top tier, and then add the 30 ppg or so...crazy good.

It killed me too, he had his worst triple double game vs. you guys in the OT loss. That one he did shoot too much. So you guys think Kieff is gone or they keep him until his value increases?

[bwgood77]

And still on about league average TS with the cherry picked games . I can't find the graph, but read an article recently about how insanely efficient he was at his usage.

Yes, he is a stud. I was actually paying close attention when he nearly averaged a triple double for the entire month of March. It was unbelievable. Ignoring the great scorer he is, the assists and rebounds alone put him top tier, and then add the 30 ppg or so...crazy good.

It killed me too, he had his worst triple double game vs. you guys in the OT loss. That one he did shoot too much. So you guys think Kieff is gone or they keep him until his value increases?

Well you will get many different thoughts on this. I think there is little chance he gets traded for pennies on the dollar. I think McDonough thinks of Markieff as a high value contract, and I personally think that if Markieff came back to play, he would be a professional. I think he is trying to do right in the eyes of his brother. Not to say he doesn't want to be traded, but I think he is happy to start and likes his teammates. He is probably likely gone at some point this season, but I don't necessarily think it will be before the season unless a good trade opportunity presents itself. I don't think he will be traded unless we can get a starting caliber four who isn't too old and likely has range...that limits the possibilities.

[TASTIC]

Ah,made up stats are the best. He averages about 17, and is a better playmaker than anyone on the team. Yeah, I'll take the guy who's the second best scoring option on the team taking the second most shots on the team. Seems a sensible idea. Unless of course he should have been passing it to Perkins all these years.

But but but in games 44 and 80 he averaged 40.5 shots per game...not made up at all... http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01/gamelog/2015/

And still on about league average TS with the cherry picked games . I can't find the graph, but read an article recently about how insanely efficient he was at his usage.

I love Russ...but holy crap, you guys went 18-2 when he shot 50% or higher, but only 2-8 when he took 30 or more shots. That's a crazy split - the 50% shooting one especially.

[Cutter]

Yeah, Westbrook taking 25-35-40 shots attempts per game is not ball hog territory.

Ah,made up stats are the best. He averages about 17, and is a better playmaker than anyone on the team. Yeah, I'll take the guy who's the second best scoring option on the team taking the second most shots on the team. Seems a sensible idea. Unless of course he should have been passing it to Perkins all these years.

The leading cause of blindness on this site is homerism. Don't intentionally be blind! Westbrook had multiple games last season where he shot 25-30 and even had a 40 fga game. Hence the ball hog label. Don't get me started on his stats as an inefficient chucker of the ball. Westbrook is holding OKC back from getting a championship.

[NavLDO]

Yeah, I think we need to re-title this thread to:

"OKC Offseason Thread I: We took a wrong turn toward West of the Brook."

[saintEscaton]

Yeah, I think we need to re-title this thread to:

"OKC Offseason Thread I: We took a wrong turn toward West of the Brook."

Let fawn over the stars of other teams cauz we have none and somehow have to compensate for our feelings of inadequacy by vicariously living through the dreams of others

[bondom34]

Yeah, Westbrook taking 25-35-40 shots attempts per game is not ball hog territory.

Ah,made up stats are the best. He averages about 17, and is a better playmaker than anyone on the team. Yeah, I'll take the guy who's the second best scoring option on the team taking the second most shots on the team. Seems a sensible idea. Unless of course he should have been passing it to Perkins all these years.

The leading cause of blindness on this site is homerism. Don't intentionally be blind! Westbrook had multiple games last season where he shot 25-30 and even had a 40 fga game. Hence the ball hog label. Don't get me started on his stats as an inefficient chucker of the ball. Westbrook is holding OKC back from getting a championship.

Last year when there were no other scoring options? And blind homerism from you, ah the irony! He's averaged 17 per game for his career, so half what you said. He was 3 games from a title, and oh the stats which I posted have shown plenty. As well, prior to this season (when he had Durant for about 28 games, Ibaka missed over a month, he had Perk at C for most of the year, and no other scoring options than Morrow), he shot 30 times in a game.......twice. To put that in perspective he had a greater number of games with 13 rebounds, or 15 assists (not counting this season). To second that, in 2006 your own Steve Nash had 4 games with 25 shots per game and a better supporting cast, PHX went 1-3. So yes, outliers happen. No, that doesn't mean I can say with any honesty that he shot that much every game. Its flat dishonest.

I'll keep the chucker, you keep your ideals, I wouldn't want you to actually look at numbers and think of his impact, may hurt your bias.

So the sad attempt at labeling him a ball hog is both:
1. False
2. Poorly thought out

And "inefficient" is also wrong, considering he's at league average efficiency. So, well, you're wrong. But please keep the cute emoticons coming, you only look more and more foolish.

[bondom34]

But but but in games 44 and 80 he averaged 40.5 shots per game...not made up at all... http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westbru01/gamelog/2015/

And still on about league average TS with the cherry picked games . I can't find the graph, but read an article recently about how insanely efficient he was at his usage.

I love Russ...but holy crap, you guys went 18-2 when he shot 50% or higher, but only 2-8 when he took 30 or more shots. That's a crazy split - the 50% shooting one especially.

In general, I'd also bet most of those games were ones where nobody was shooting well. And I admit he has games but saying that he shoots that many shots per game is flat a lie. He shoots half that and has outliers. Its like a 50 percent shooter going 0-8 for a couple games here and there and you say he shoots 0 percent.

He did that 10 times this year, 2 times the entirety of the rest of his career. There weren't many other options this season, and it was an outlier.

[bwgood77]

And still on about league average TS with the cherry picked games . I can't find the graph, but read an article recently about how insanely efficient he was at his usage.

I love Russ...but holy crap, you guys went 18-2 when he shot 50% or higher, but only 2-8 when he took 30 or more shots. That's a crazy split - the 50% shooting one especially.

In general, I'd also bet most of those games were ones where nobody was shooting well. And I admit he has games but saying that he shoots that many shots per game is flat a lie. He shoots half that and has outliers. Its like a 50 percent shooter going 0-8 for a couple games here and there and you say he shoots 0 percent.

He did that 10 times this year, 2 times the entirety of the rest of his career. There weren't many other options this season, and it was an outlier.

Sure he has his chucking games but I don't consider him nearly as much as a chucker as say Melo, or even Kobe. Because even if he shoots a bunch, he also usually passes a lot, rebounds a lot, is all over the place on D, etc. He puts 100% in every area of the game, where who I consider chuckers often get lazy in areas that don't involve shooting.

[sunsbum]

I'm surprised after 2 years you guys think EB has another level. He doesn't. The only way he gets better is if he improves his shot. Those of you waiting for him to Russ out are going to be SUPER disappoint.

[saintEscaton]

Wow this really is the most uneventful part of the offseason. Zzzzzz