Trade Deadline Countdown....What will we do? What should we do?

[GooseDiddy]

CLE sends Love and Richard Jefferson
CLE receives Morris twins and Teletovic

DET sends Morris, Ilyasova, and Jennings
DET receives Love and Jefferson

PHO sends Morris, Teletovic
PHO receives Jennings and Ilyasova


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[RunDogGun]

CLE sends Love and Richard Jefferson
CLE receives Morris twins and Teletovic

DET sends Morris, Ilyasova, and Jennings
DET receives Love and Jefferson

PHO sends Morris, Teletovic
PHO receives Jennings and Ilyasova


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First off, Cavs have said they aren't taking calls on Love trades. Next, I'm not sure why we do this. We really don't need another combo guard, who really doesn't seem to like to pass. And if we wanted to do this, we could just eliminate the Cavs altogether.

Are you a Detriot fan, and you are just looking for ways to get Love?

Honestly, I think we could trade both of those guys, but most likely getting younger guys in return and/or draft picks.

[TeamTragic]

CLE sends Love and Richard Jefferson
CLE receives Morris twins and Teletovic

DET sends Morris, Ilyasova, and Jennings
DET receives Love and Jefferson

PHO sends Morris, Teletovic
PHO receives Jennings and Ilyasova


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Holy **** that is terrible

[sunsbum]

Morris does not have negetive trade value, and by backing up that claim with quotes from "REAL" GM general board posters is super hilarious to me.

Everyone knows kieff is just using the one card he has against the suns which is not giving a ****. Unbeknownst to him this is great because hes helping us tank which is probably why hes still getting burn.

I dont think Knight has negetive trade value either. There us always a sucker GM out there. Always. Besides, if someone can talk knight into a 6th man role somewhere, who knows? Alex len is a great example. Shaky at center above average starter at PF.

[bigfoot]

Hmmm ... Suns get Marcus Thorton and a projected late 1st round pick and give up an all-star in return. Looks like McD's worst trade ever. Ainge is still the master.

[GooseDiddy]

CLE sends Love and Richard Jefferson
CLE receives Morris twins and Teletovic

DET sends Morris, Ilyasova, and Jennings
DET receives Love and Jefferson

PHO sends Morris, Teletovic
PHO receives Jennings and Ilyasova


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First off, Cavs have said they aren't taking calls on Love trades. Next, I'm not sure why we do this. We really don't need another combo guard, who really doesn't seem to like to pass. And if we wanted to do this, we could just eliminate the Cavs altogether.

Are you a Detriot fan, and you are just looking for ways to get Love?

Honestly, I think we could trade both of those guys, but most likely getting younger guys in return and/or draft picks.

Of course Cleveland says they're not taking calls. That doesn't mean anything.

I figured with Bledsoe done and Knight having no time table for return, Jenning's expiring deal made for a nice stop gap, and Ilyasova was a slight upgrade over Teletovic.

There's no market for Markieff, Phoenix management has made sure of that. When paired with his brother his value goes up exponentially, and Detroit has no interest in him. The only way to get the value out of him is a 3 way with both brothers being reunited elsewhere. If Markieff was worth some young players or draft picks by himself, he'd already be gone.


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[letsgosuns]

Hmmm ... Suns get Marcus Thorton and a projected late 1st round pick and give up an all-star in return. Looks like McD's worst trade ever. Ainge is still the master.

I think McDonough's worst trade is giving away Gortat for virtually nothing. I believe the Suns drafted Tyler Ennis with the pick from that trade. Now I am not a big Gortat fan, but in a league where useful centers are few and far between, McDonough sold horribly low on Gortat. Even though it was the last year of Gortat's deal, how can you trade a mobile center in his prime who averages almost a double-double for practically nothing. Imo, that trade is worse than the Thomas trade because good big men are so hard to find. Guards in this league nowadays are a dime a dozen.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Motiejunas would be at his lowest value right now.

If we doesn't play again, he's not going to be paid more than 10m / 4 years.

[rsavaj]

Really wish we had held on to IT

[RunDogGun]

CLE sends Love and Richard Jefferson
CLE receives Morris twins and Teletovic

DET sends Morris, Ilyasova, and Jennings
DET receives Love and Jefferson

PHO sends Morris, Teletovic
PHO receives Jennings and Ilyasova


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First off, Cavs have said they aren't taking calls on Love trades. Next, I'm not sure why we do this. We really don't need another combo guard, who really doesn't seem to like to pass. And if we wanted to do this, we could just eliminate the Cavs altogether.

Are you a Detriot fan, and you are just looking for ways to get Love?

Honestly, I think we could trade both of those guys, but most likely getting younger guys in return and/or draft picks.

Of course Cleveland says they're not taking calls. That doesn't mean anything.

I figured with Bledsoe done and Knight having no time table for return, Jenning's expiring deal made for a nice stop gap, and Ilyasova was a slight upgrade over Teletovic.

There's no market for Markieff, Phoenix management has made sure of that. When paired with his brother his value goes up exponentially, and Detroit has no interest in him. The only way to get the value out of him is a 3 way with both brothers being reunited elsewhere. If Markieff was worth some young players or draft picks by himself, he'd already be gone.


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His worth and what is being offered is not going to be the same thing, and there is no rush to trade him. Even if we kept him another year, with the cap going up, his contract and production will be a steal off the bench for any team not named the Suns. Our GM knows this, which is why he hasn't been moved.

So how do you know Detriot has no interest, or are you purely speaking about the fans, which make zero player decisions? Did your GM say something I haven't heard?

[RunDogGun]

Really wish we had held on to IT

It's funny, it seemed like I was one of the few that really liked the signing.

[RunDogGun]

Hmmm ... Suns get Marcus Thorton and a projected late 1st round pick and give up an all-star in return. Looks like McD's worst trade ever. Ainge is still the master.

I think McDonough's worst trade is giving away Gortat for virtually nothing. I believe the Suns drafted Tyler Ennis with the pick from that trade. Now I am not a big Gortat fan, but in a league where useful centers are few and far between, McDonough sold horribly low on Gortat. Even though it was the last year of Gortat's deal, how can you trade a mobile center in his prime who averages almost a double-double for practically nothing. Imo, that trade is worse than the Thomas trade because good big men are so hard to find. Guards in this league nowadays are a dime a dozen.

Gortat was decent here, but almost everyone thought he was getting cement hands that last year before we traded him. Once it was apparent to McD that Plumlee could put up similar numbers, Gortat wasn't needed. It was nice to have that extra pick when we were clearly in rebuild mode. It looked as if Plumlee had a higher ceiling, but I guess the league figured him out, and once Bledsoe went down, it seemed clear that Plumlee felt that his production hinged on Bledsoe at the point, not Goran. But early that season Plumlee was a double double machine.

[bigfoot]

Hmmm ... Suns get Marcus Thorton and a projected late 1st round pick and give up an all-star in return. Looks like McD's worst trade ever. Ainge is still the master.

I think McDonough's worst trade is giving away Gortat for virtually nothing. I believe the Suns drafted Tyler Ennis with the pick from that trade. Now I am not a big Gortat fan, but in a league where useful centers are few and far between, McDonough sold horribly low on Gortat. Even though it was the last year of Gortat's deal, how can you trade a mobile center in his prime who averages almost a double-double for practically nothing. Imo, that trade is worse than the Thomas trade because good big men are so hard to find. Guards in this league nowadays are a dime a dozen.

all-star guard versus journeyman center is not even close.

[bwgood77]

Spoiler:

It's not reason, it's reactionary negativity spoofing itself as reason. Negativism sounds more intelligent to some people but that does not make it more accurate.



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"How does Kieff fit in well, exactly? His .410 eFG%? His .439 TS%? His -.68 WS%? His 'big baby' attitude? His pending assault charge? "

"he isn't 2013-2014, 18 PER, Kieff...he isn't 2014-2015, 16 PER, Kieff...he's 2015-2016, 9 PER Kieff, that we are paying $8M for."

"And Knight? Again, why would anyone call up for the pleasure to pay $14M per, for the next 4+ years for Knight's mediocre services"

Really? Is this not true? Get out of here with your "reactionary negativity"; it's called living in reality...

Go to the Trade forum and read some of the responses regarding Kieff's value. By all means, please point to ONE poster that is not a Sun's fan that thinks Kieff has positive value. Show me ONE post that thinks Knight and/or Chandler are on a good contract for us.

Until then, you can just know that you are flat out wrong. And what I posted was more accurate than your view of their value.

Yes, please, with a straight face, tell me that you think those three players are considered as having positive value as compared to their contract. And again, then show me a post from the trade forum in the last couple of weeks that a non-Sun's fan poster stating that any of those three are worth their current contract. I'll be able to post 5 for every one you can show. Here, I'll start:

nomansland wrote:
You guys will probably call me crazy, but this might seem like Denver gets a lot in return but when you break it down it's also a lot they can't use.

The roster is stacked with semi-useful bigs, so I don't know what Jerebko does for them.
Morris is a negative asset, a pretty big one actually.

giberish wrote:
There's no reason for Phoenix to be in this deal. Denver wouldn't want Keif. Boston wouldn't want Chandler's contract. I think Phoenix would have to add incentive to move them for EC filler anyways.

Smitty731 wrote:
The picks don't bother me as much as taking on Chandler does. His contract is going to be a disaster as soon as next year. If it isn't already. He's dropped off the planet as far as production goes.

And that's just from ONE thread...care to join the rest of the world in what we like to call "reality"??

Honestly, I think these people are pretty misinformed compared to ACTUAL REAL GMs.

[LukasBMW]

Apparently we almost traded IT and Keef for love last year.

I wish we had just given them Bledsoe and Keef for Love and somehow kept IT happy in the 6th man role he was promised.

Dragic/IT
Green
Tucker/Warren/
Love/
Len

Of course if that had happened, we never would have gotten future hall of famer - Booker!

[bwgood77]

Oh, and one more thing; if anything, I'm one of the more 'positive' posters on this forum. Warren, Len, Booker, Goodwin, Leuer, Teletovic, and Tucker have positive value. Weems and Jefferson have 'filler' value. Bledsoe and Price are injured. So that leaves Morris, Chandler, and Knight as having negative value, overall. Would another team give us something for Knight? Maybe, but it would likely be a similar player; one that's slightly overpaid, but still decent, but depending, the Suns or the other team may have to throw in a 2nd Rd pick.

But Chandler and Morris are, just as I said, JUNK. If anyone is including them in a trade, it will have to be counter-balanced with one of the positive value players. I keep reading some fans here thinking that the Cavs would want Chandler, and that his contract is of little concern, but I am not buying that. You don't spend $39M over the next 3 years for 30ish games in hopes that he can make a positive difference. My point is, that the Cavs can get a similar effect with another 'rim protecting' big, and not have to pay $39M over the next 3 years to get it; there are guys on shorter deals, and/or are younger that can provide that service. And by recognizing that, that doesn't make me a 'hater' or 'negative nancy'; it's called being realistic.

You are one of the more positive ones, but your writing style never seems like it. Fine by me, but I think Chandler might have some value because of the cap jump and everyone having cap space. Don't underestimate that everyone will have it, and the guy just had 27 rebounds the other night. $13 million might seem like a lot to you, but when $20 million contracts are being handed out this summer, he might look like a reasonable contract. And those would believe Kieff is a good player when engaged (I admit, maybe not all GMs think this, but my bet is there is a handful and probably more that do), he is on a great contract, that will seem dirt cheap. We definitely won't have to give something up to dump him (if so, no reason not to waive him because he WOULD BE claimed). We may not get much, but we can get SOMETHING.

[8on]

I wasn't a member when the IT trade happened, but I heard a lot of people begging for IT to get traded. He was messing up our chemistry, he can't play defense, stuff like that.

Now he's an All-Star and we want him back? Seriously, pick two point guards. Make whatever argument you want based on what we should've done to keep those two, but pick two of Dragic, Bledsoe, Knight and Thomas. We can't have them all. They all have weaknesses and strengths that the others don't. You want to start Bledsoe and Thomas? Bledsoe and eventual old man Dragic? It should be pretty obvious why we have Knight (potential), and so far he still has that. #shutupandwaitforbensimmons < starting a hashtag. post it if you feel me.

[8on]

Most rival executives believe it remains a matter of when, not if, Phoenix trades disgruntled swingman Markieff Morris. The Suns, though, stubbornly continue to hold out for stronger offers, which might not be forthcoming given the relatively dim view leaguewide about Morris’ stock at the moment, stemming not only from the tension he’s caused in the desert dating to last summer but also the uncertainty of Morris’ potential legal trouble stemming from a felony aggravated assault charge levied in the spring of 2015.

[jcsunsfan]

The big criticism was that we did not trade IT soon enough. Now we find out the McD was trying to put together an IT an Kieff deal for Love.

That would have been something. Of course Marcus would have pouted, Love wouldn't have played D and everyone would be crying to have Kieff back.


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[8on]

Blind Trade Mode:

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Trade #6: Welcome Back, Welcome Back
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