Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight

[BobbieL]

I wonder if Toronto would have interest in Tucker to help fill some of Ross' wing minutes. They still have a 1st rounder in 2017 and some young guys like Bruno that could be used to go all in this year.

Love is out six weeks

tucker could also help that team with his defense, toughness, rebounding. Problem is, the Cavs have not very much to trade - like nothing.

trade for Ezeli
move Tucker
move Knight
Move Chandler
go get Boogie -
this is my mantra

[bhawk]

If Ibaka is barely worth that, then I doubt Chandler and Tucker is landing us a 1st.
On the other hand, how valuable is our 2017 1st and the Miami picks?

Makes McD look like a genius for the Markieff trade last deadline. Wow.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I wonder if Toronto would have interest in Tucker to help fill some of Ross' wing minutes. They still have a 1st rounder in 2017 and some young guys like Bruno that could be used to go all in this year.

Love is out six weeks

tucker could also help that team with his defense, toughness, rebounding. Problem is, the Cavs have not very much to trade - like nothing.

trade for Ezeli
move Tucker
move Knight
Move Chandler
go get Boogie -
this is my mantra

I'd be on the phone with Cleveland right now offering Tucker for Cedi Osman. Tucker could play some 4 with Love out and would be helpful for the playoff push. Osman is an interesting SF prospect who should be coming over next year. Seems like a win for both sides.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I respect the Raps for going all in and staring at the lux tax this summer. When you're that close you might as well try. Who knows maybe Cleveland suffers some injuries and you make a finals. The only thing I question is if you're going to take this approach why not poney up a a little more and get Paul Milsap instead? He's the superior player and while he's a little older than Serge I don't trust that Serge is really 27 so that cancels that out IMO.

[BobbieL]

I wonder if Toronto would have interest in Tucker to help fill some of Ross' wing minutes. They still have a 1st rounder in 2017 and some young guys like Bruno that could be used to go all in this year.

Love is out six weeks

tucker could also help that team with his defense, toughness, rebounding. Problem is, the Cavs have not very much to trade - like nothing.

trade for Ezeli
move Tucker
move Knight
Move Chandler
go get Boogie -
this is my mantra

I'd be on the phone with Cleveland right now offering Tucker for Cedi Osman. Tucker could play some 4 with Love out and would be helpful for the playoff push. Osman is an interesting SF prospect who should be coming over next year. Seems like a win for both sides.

good call - but would the suns need to take back salary or do the Cavs have a trade exception

yes, Mike Dunleavy exception should cover it. that would mean the Suns would lose salary so easier to take on Ezeli as well

first call, Portland for Ezeli for the Cavs first
second call, Tucker for Osman

[WeekapaugGroove]

Love is out six weeks

tucker could also help that team with his defense, toughness, rebounding. Problem is, the Cavs have not very much to trade - like nothing.

trade for Ezeli
move Tucker
move Knight
Move Chandler
go get Boogie -
this is my mantra

I'd be on the phone with Cleveland right now offering Tucker for Cedi Osman. Tucker could play some 4 with Love out and would be helpful for the playoff push. Osman is an interesting SF prospect who should be coming over next year. Seems like a win for both sides.

good call - but would the suns need to take back salary or do the Cavs have a trade exception

first call, Portland for Ezeli for the Cavs first
second call, Tucker for Osman

**** i thought they had a big enough exemption to absorb tucker but just double checked and its only 4.8 mil so they do not. That complicates things. Only way to get it done would be to take shumperts contract back. Or get real crazy and package chandler with tucker for thompson. But not sure the cavs do that.

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[Asif16]

What yall want for Tucker? Realistically from the Raptors?

[WeekapaugGroove]

What yall want for Tucker? Realistically from the Raptors?

Ideally a 1st rounder. Maybe the suns throw a 2nd in to even it out.

I guess the suns might consider carroll and a 1st. That would ease the salary burden for the raps this summer. Im not 100% sold on doing that but it could make some sense.

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[Asif16]

What yall want for Tucker? Realistically from the Raptors?

Ideally a 1st rounder. Maybe the suns throw a 2nd in to even it out.

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A 1st for tucker? Man thats a little steep bro. May i interest you in a one of our Rookies instead and 2nd round pick attached maybe?

[WeekapaugGroove]

What yall want for Tucker? Realistically from the Raptors?

Ideally a 1st rounder. Maybe the suns throw a 2nd in to even it out.

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A 1st for tucker? Man thats a little steep bro. May i interest you in a one of our Rookies instead and 2nd round pick attached maybe?

I agree it might be a little steep but its what they will try to get for him. If any team is willing to do it is the question. I dont think they will move him for a late 2nd. What do you think would be a fair offer from the raps?

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[bwgood77]

What yall want for Tucker? Realistically from the Raptors?

Ideally a 1st rounder. Maybe the suns throw a 2nd in to even it out.

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A 1st for tucker? Man thats a little steep bro. May i interest you in a one of our Rookies instead and 2nd round pick attached maybe?

I haven't paid much attention to Poeltl or Siakam this season, though I know they were getting some run earlier. I'd probably take Poeltl for him, though I can't say for certain, but I mean, that's a lotto pick, and too early to be proclaimed a bust obviously. Could give us more options with our centers.

[Asif16]

Ideally a 1st rounder. Maybe the suns throw a 2nd in to even it out.

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A 1st for tucker? Man thats a little steep bro. May i interest you in a one of our Rookies instead and 2nd round pick attached maybe?

I haven't paid much attention to Poeltl or Siakam this season, though I know they were getting some run earlier. I'd probably take Poeltl for him, though I can't say for certain, but I mean, that's a lotto pick, and too early to be proclaimed a bust obviously. Could give us more options with our centers.

Yeah my offer was gonna be your choice of Siakam/Poetl + 2nd rd pick.

[bwgood77]

A 1st for tucker? Man thats a little steep bro. May i interest you in a one of our Rookies instead and 2nd round pick attached maybe?

I haven't paid much attention to Poeltl or Siakam this season, though I know they were getting some run earlier. I'd probably take Poeltl for him, though I can't say for certain, but I mean, that's a lotto pick, and too early to be proclaimed a bust obviously. Could give us more options with our centers.

Yeah my offer was gonna be your choice of Siakam/Poetl + 2nd rd pick.

Probably Poeltl given that we have two rookie PFs already and Bender has played the 3 and Warren. Plus a few in this draft if we don't take a PG.

[darealjuice]

Toronto just gave up Terrance Ross and a late 1st rounder for Serge Ibaka with the exact same contract situation as PJ, and he is a much, much better player than PJ. I don't know that the trade market for Tucker is going to be much more than a second and a yong player in the back half of their rookie contract unless we fleece someone.

[WeekapaugGroove]

A 1st for tucker? Man thats a little steep bro. May i interest you in a one of our Rookies instead and 2nd round pick attached maybe?

I haven't paid much attention to Poeltl or Siakam this season, though I know they were getting some run earlier. I'd probably take Poeltl for him, though I can't say for certain, but I mean, that's a lotto pick, and too early to be proclaimed a bust obviously. Could give us more options with our centers.

Yeah my offer was gonna be your choice of Siakam/Poetl + 2nd rd pick.

Id take poetl in a heartbeat. Just assumed the raps would value him more than their late 1st.

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[LukasBMW]

Making Booker and Warren go against Tucker daily in practice is worth more then a late 1st.

#14-#21 pick in the draft for PJ or you sign try to sign him as a free agent.

For a contender, it's worth it.

[AtheJ415]

I haven't paid much attention to Poeltl or Siakam this season, though I know they were getting some run earlier. I'd probably take Poeltl for him, though I can't say for certain, but I mean, that's a lotto pick, and too early to be proclaimed a bust obviously. Could give us more options with our centers.

Yeah my offer was gonna be your choice of Siakam/Poetl + 2nd rd pick.

Probably Poeltl given that we have two rookie PFs already and Bender has played the 3 and Warren. Plus a few in this draft if we don't take a PG.

I'd love Poeltl here. He's struggling with the speed of the NBA game, but his size and skill level are good enough to be effective long-term. Also on a rookie deal. I would do Tucker for him straight up without a pick involved. Hell, I'd probably do Tucker and a 2nd for him, but I like Poeltl more than others here because I don't take a ton from his play this season (which obviously has not been good).

[TeamTragic]

I respect the Raps for going all in and staring at the lux tax this summer. When you're that close you might as well try. Who knows maybe Cleveland suffers some injuries and you make a finals. The only thing I question is if you're going to take this approach why not poney up a a little more and get Paul Milsap instead? He's the superior player and while he's a little older than Serge I don't trust that Serge is really 27 so that cancels that out IMO.

Love out with knee surgery. Raptors might make the NBA Finals with Ibaka.

[King4Day]

I think Hennigan was in the situation we thought McD would be in this season where he knows he needs to make a big move or his job is on the line.
So he got Ibaka and it didn't work. He salvaged that mess, but I'm going to guess it's too late. He'll probably be gone by seasons end.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Making Booker and Warren go against Tucker daily in practice is worth more then a late 1st.

#14-#21 pick in the draft for PJ or you sign try to sign him as a free agent.

For a contender, it's worth it.

I disagree with you on this. I'd take a 1st rounder of any sort over having Tucker for two more months of practice. Frankly I believe the whole notion that vets are so important for teaching young guys a bit overplayed. Coaches coach and players play. Sure it's good to have some vets like Barbs on the back of your bench to show guys how to act like professionals and I do see some use in having a vet pg who can get you into your offense but that's about it. Remember when Chandler was supposed to be some great teacher for Len? Heck if anything he's stunted his growth by taking minutes from him. Is PJ helping TJ Warren be better? If so he's doing a **** job of it.

You mention 14-21 as the range you want and sure of course that would be nice but the problem is teams picking in that range are probably not the teams that think PJ would make a difference for a title run. Teams 21-30 might. Heck PJ's real value is probably an early 2nd rounder and I would take that... but the problem is the teams who will have early 2nds are bad teams who aren't trading for PJ.