2017 Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion

[jcsunsfan]

I don't see keeping Len as an option at this point. He belongs behind Alan and Dragan in the rotation. You can't put him there. The only reason to keep his cap hold is to S&T, probably in exchange for nothing more than a TPE.

It all depends on what he is offered.

[bwgood77]

We aren't contending or even looking to until 2020. So free agency isn't a big limitation imo. With trades you need the salary to match in most cases.

I don't think either is a big number for a big man in the current cap era. Adjusted for a couple years ago that is about $5 million for sauce and $9 million for Len.

Yes, to lock either in those deals is probably good value for trade purposes. Letting them walk is worse....with those salaries they are both tradeable if needed. And if they got offered those deals and we matched that just proves value.

I just worry those deals start to add up after a while. They already have over 40M committed to Chandler, Knight, and Dudley the next two plus years. If they are giving out long term money I would rather extend Warren than sign either of the bigs. Now if you move Chandler and or Knight then maybe you extend one of Williams or Len. Or if either guy was willing to do a 2 year prove it type deal I would be much more interested than if they sign 4 year offer sheets. IMO the Suns should keep their cap as clean as possible for the summer of 2019. That's when Bledsoe, Chandler, and Dudley all expire and that would also be the year that Bookers extension would kick in. If all would break right they could have an ascending young team that offseason and could be attractive to FA's that could put them over the top. Plus I just feel like you can find the production you're looking for out of Williams or Len with a second round pick or a cheap flyer type (someone like Dedmond was this year for the spurs).

Yes, we'd definitely want to trade Knight and Chandler under this circumstance and obviously I wouldn't sign either at the expense of giving Warren a deal.

I might not sign either or only one depending on different factors but I'd be surprised if McD just let two assets walk out the door for nothing....MAYBE he would let one walk, but he hasn't even done that yet. Even guys who have shown nothing (Goodwin) he holds on for too long trying to get some value.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't see keeping Len as an option at this point. He belongs behind Alan and Dragan in the rotation. You can't put him there. The only reason to keep his cap hold is to S&T, probably in exchange for nothing more than a TPE.

It all depends on what he is offered.

This is very true. I still have a hard time seeing who would give Len a contract over the mid level exception. I guess Brooklyn is a candidate because I do think they will go hard after some young FAs this summer but they could go so many other directions other than Len. Going through the teams with cap space there aren't a ton of obvious fits. Sure even a team like Boston could use some rebounding but I think they will want to chase the big names the next couple summers so I can't see them using space on a guy like Alex.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I don't see keeping Len as an option at this point. He belongs behind Alan and Dragan in the rotation. You can't put him there. The only reason to keep his cap hold is to S&T, probably in exchange for nothing more than a TPE.

It all depends on what he is offered.

This is very true. I still have a hard time seeing who would give Len a contract over the mid level exception. I guess Brooklyn is a candidate because I do think they will go hard after some young FAs this summer but they could go so many other directions other than Len. Going through the teams with cap space there aren't a ton of obvious fits. Sure even a team like Boston could use some rebounding but I think they will want to chase the big names the next couple summers so I can't see them using space on a guy like Alex.

There are plenty of teams that lack a rim protector. Boston, you mention. Alex is a backup, but a useful one. I would qualify my statement above by saying that I could see teams wanting to S&T for Alex without sacrificing cap space. So maybe we take back a bad contract and a pick for him, or something like that. In any case, I don't think it's a good fit for either Alex or us if we just name a seat on the bench after him. Besides, I'd like a new true C prospect to develop - especially if Tyson is kept around. He's more useful off the court than on it.

[WeekapaugGroove]

The real question is will gms learn from their mistakes. A ton of money was given to backup cs last summer and most of those gms already regret that decision. The simple truth is its becoming harder to find consistent minutes for back up centers because teams go small and run them off the floor. Will gms realize its a bad investment? Maybe

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[AtheJ415]

You all drastically underrate Len. He is actually elite at rebounding and rim protection for his age, and is not a stiff at his size. Thus, he has value.

[Jdiddy701]

With reports of 76ers being open to trading their pick, I wonder what would be enough to get it from them.

Maybe McD can convince them to take Knight lol and Bender/Warren. Flame me!


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[AtheJ415]

With reports of 76ers being open to trading their pick, I wonder what would be enough to get it from them.

Maybe McD can convince them to take Knight lol and Bender/Warren. Flame me!


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Trading Bender would be insane imo. He has as much upside as the other guys likely to be there.

If anything, unless both Ball and Jackson fall to 4, we should be considering the report of moving 4 for both 5 and 10 imo if the Kings are actually that high on Fox. Give me Isaac and Collins/Markannen/Smith/Ntilikina and move forward. I think Isaac and Smith have as much upside as the others in this draft.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

With reports of 76ers being open to trading their pick, I wonder what would be enough to get it from them.

Maybe McD can convince them to take Knight lol and Bender/Warren. Flame me!


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Trading Bender would be insane imo. He has as much upside as the other guys likely to be there.

If anything, unless both Ball and Jackson fall to 4, we should be considering the report of moving 4 for both 5 and 10 imo if the Kings are actually that high on Fox. Give me Isaac and Collins/Markannen/Smith/Ntilikina and move forward. I think Isaac and Smith have as much upside as the others in this draft.

Let's trade the #4 pick, another #4 pick, and the #14, for the #3. Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket!

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

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I would discourage Suns fans from providing any comments. Let that flame burn. If the market's this hot, we should... um... do it?

[LukasBMW]

Whoa. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1573025

I would discourage Suns fans from providing any comments. Let that flame burn. If the market's this hot, we should... um... do it?

Fans are ready to give up picks 7/8/9 for him. I'm in!

[Mulhollanddrive]

I read a pick 3 for Bledsoe, Warren, 32, Miami as well.

[Ghost of Kleine]

With reports of 76ers being open to trading their pick, I wonder what would be enough to get it from them.

Maybe McD can convince them to take Knight lol and Bender/Warren. Flame me!


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As crazy as it might sound, I think Bledsoe and the Miami pick in 18' should easily do it. We could also try to throw in knight if they want an extra shooter( j/k). But honestly, For that package(don't want to give up the 18' Miami pick ) But it'd be part of a much bigger plan! We trade Bledsoe and the 18' Miami pick to Philly for #3.


First thing we do is take Josh Jackson at #3. Next we use our #4pick to select DeAaron Fox(whom Sacramento wants badly) So now we trade fox to Sacramento for their 5th and 10th pick. Now with the 5th pick we take Nitkilina (Bledsoes' replacement), Finally we take Markannen or Zach Collins( 10th pick).

How is that for a return for Bledsoe and the Miami 2018 pick?

Outgoing-Bledsoe, Miami 2018 pick .

Incoming-Josh Jackson(#3), Nitkilina(5th pick), Markannen or Collins at (10th pick). And we still have #32 to grab Ojeleye or hopefully Jeanne. Great draft night return?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Whoa. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1573025

I would discourage Suns fans from providing any comments. Let that flame burn. If the market's this hot, we should... um... do it?

I knew that eventually many would find Bledsoes' value to be worthy of a pick in the top 10 of this draft, And perhaps even a bit more as well . The only question I have still, Is will McD utilize Bledsoes' value in aa trade to acquire another great prospect in the top 10 of this draft? And if so, a trade with which team is most likely?

Any thoughts on this?

[WeekapaugGroove]

To me if there's a top 10 pick on the table for bledsoe it comes down to one simple question. Are the suns comfortable with his knees enough to extend him in two years? If there's any doubt at all then its a no brainer they jump on that trade regardless of who they take at 4.

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[jcsunsfan]

With reports of 76ers being open to trading their pick, I wonder what would be enough to get it from them.

Maybe McD can convince them to take Knight lol and Bender/Warren. Flame me!


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As crazy as it might sound, I think Bledsoe and the Miami pick in 18' should easily do it. We could also try to throw in knight if they want an extra shooter( j/k). But honestly, For that package(don't want to give up the 18' Miami pick ) But it'd be part of a much bigger plan! We trade Bledsoe and the 18' Miami pick to Philly for #3.


First thing we do is take Josh Jackson at #3. Next we use our #4pick to select DeAaron Fox(whom Sacramento wants badly) So now we trade fox to Sacramento for their 5th and 10th pick. Now with the 5th pick we take Nitkilina (Bledsoes' replacement), Finally we take Markannen or Zach Collins( 10th pick).

How is that for a return for Bledsoe and the Miami 2018 pick?

Outgoing-Bledsoe, Miami 2018 pick .

Incoming-Josh Jackson(#3), Nitkilina(5th pick), Markannen or Collins at (10th pick). And we still have #32 to grab Ojeleye or hopefully Jeanne. Great draft night return?

If you can get the Philly #3 pick for Bledsoe and the '18 Miami pick, you do it. I would take Jackson and Monk or Fox and call it a day. I am one of the few who thinks Monk can play pg. If Harden can, Monk can easily.

[bwgood77]

To me if there's a top 10 pick on the table for bledsoe it comes down to one simple question. Are the suns comfortable with his knees enough to extend him in two years? If there's any doubt at all then its a no brainer they jump on that trade regardless of who they take at 4.

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Oh yeah, if they are not comfortable his trade value will never be higher than now. There are a few teams that need point guards and want to compete. Denver I am quite sure would give their pick for him. That is 13, so I don't know who will be there, but DX does have Collins there right now. Anunoby could be there as well. Also depends on who we take at 4. There is a good chance that if we take a wing at 4 and then try and trade it for the 10 or something the point guards are gone, so that could be an issue.

But if you are not planning on sticking with him long term anyway, is there any reason to keep him when his trade value only diminishes, even if Ulis would be your starter unless you can work up another trade or sign a free agent in the off season?

I'm kind of dealing with this issue in the mock offseason I am doing. I drafted a wing and don't have an alternative at PG other than Ulis and maybe a decent one I'd be getting back, but could be the trigger on two future 1sts.

[bwgood77]

Whoa. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1573025

I would discourage Suns fans from providing any comments. Let that flame burn. If the market's this hot, we should... um... do it?

This is super interesting:

#8, Kuz, Lance, and O'Quinn. IIRC, Phoenix was interested in Kuz at the deadline. If Phoenix nabs either Fox or Ball at #4, I like this move a lot for them. I like it even more for Phoenix if they get one of Ball/ Fox at #4, then one of Isaac, Tatum, or Jackson falls to #8. Maybe work in a third team like Portland or Utah to send a late first for O'Quinn (send the first to Phoenix).

I don't think Phoenix trades Bledsoe before or during the draft unless they are full set on taking one of Fox/ Ball (and there's a decent chance both are taken in the top 3). I think it's more likely that Phoenix wants to see how free agency plays out, because they can probably get really good value for Bledsoe once teams lose out on their top FA prospects or have a major player walk.

and this..

Bledsoe/? for Middleton/?

Depending on those ?s that would incredibly solid for PHX, IMO. Imagine taking Fox at 4, and swinging this kind of deal:

Fox - Booker - Middleton - Chriss - Bender (for now, until a more appealing C option comes into play)

That's a really solid team geared towards the future

[LukasBMW]

I read a pick 3 for Bledsoe, Warren, 32, Miami as well.

Take Warren out of that deal and I'll pull the trigger.

[Villalobos]

I wouldn't give up a ton just to draft a guy who could easily be another Justise Winslow (reminder: Winslow shot better than Jackson from 3 and free throws in college). If he falls to you, great, you take him, but there are other prospects if not.