Trade & Free Agency Ideas & Discussion 2

[AtheJ415]

Sign Blake griffin

Sign and trade- Bledsoe/Bender for Chris Paul

We will Be young and can contend this year

Paul
Booker
Jones
Griffin
Chandler

That's 3 all stars and the. The 4th player in the draft and a double double center still.

That team would be at least a 12 point underdog to Golden State in every game. On top of that we would have traded Bender to do it, while maxing out our cap space for the next 5 or 6 years, and also virtually trading one of Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba since we wouldn't be tanking. Sorry, that is awful.

[bigfoot]

Sign Blake griffin

Sign and trade- Bledsoe/Bender for Chris Paul

We will Be young and can contend this year

Paul
Booker
Jones
Griffin
Chandler

That's 3 all stars and the. The 4th player in the draft and a double double center still.

That team would be at least a 12 point underdog to Golden State in every game. On top of that we would have traded Bender to do it, while maxing out our cap space for the next 5 or 6 years, and also virtually trading one of Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba since we wouldn't be tanking. Sorry, that is awful.

Stop with the tank talk for next years draft. It is time that we start putting a winning product on the floor.

[TOO]

Sign Blake griffin

Sign and trade- Bledsoe/Bender for Chris Paul

We will Be young and can contend this year

Paul
Booker
Jones
Griffin
Chandler

That's 3 all stars and the. The 4th player in the draft and a double double center still.

That team would be at least a 12 point underdog to Golden State in every game. On top of that we would have traded Bender to do it, while maxing out our cap space for the next 5 or 6 years, and also virtually trading one of Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba since we wouldn't be tanking. Sorry, that is awful.

Stop with the tank talk for next years draft. It is time that we start putting a winning product on the floor.

You should probably temper those expectations. Unless we make significant strides defensively, we're still gonna be real bad.

[bwoolf2]

Sign Blake griffin

Sign and trade- Bledsoe/Bender for Chris Paul

We will Be young and can contend this year

Paul
Booker
Jones
Griffin
Chandler

That's 3 all stars and the. The 4th player in the draft and a double double center still.

That team would be at least a 12 point underdog to Golden State in every game. On top of that we would have traded Bender to do it, while maxing out our cap space for the next 5 or 6 years, and also virtually trading one of Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba since we wouldn't be tanking. Sorry, that is awful.

Stop with the tank talk for next years draft. It is time that we start putting a winning product on the floor.

Its not tanking its that young teams dont win in the NBA, and we are the youngest but we need to develop our players while continuing to add assets so that when we are ready to compete we can trade/sign that last piece we need. Trying to compete now is just dumb can you honest tell me you want to watch Milsap or Griffin play 35 mintues a night for 5-6 more wins than to watch Chriss and Bender get those minutes and develop, I sure as hell dont.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Blake Griffin identified Phoenix as an up and coming city and he mentioned Scottsdale. So I don't think it has anything to do with the Suns as much to do with the nightlife, the ladies, the clubs, good weather, etc.

And I am not advocating signing a veteran PF but Gambo keeps dropping the name Millsap; he said they would "kick the tires" on Blake Griffin. So it seems that Ryan McD wants a PF type . So, again that is why I go back to my trade, short term, doesn't extend your cap out - and with Chandler/Aldridge - helps bridge time for the young guys. But I am guessing that doesn't help the Spurs enough, clearing 10m of cap space

Personally the best player on the list for me is Hayward - but he is a SF so that kind of doesn't match up with Warren and Jackson and his dollars will be off the charts

I looked through this list. Calderon is a good option at PG. You want a veteran PF cheap that will totally slow the game- sign Z-Bo (I am kidding, he would be terrible in this offense). Its just that many players do not make sense when you have four young forwards like Warren, Jackson, Chriss and Bender. And for now, Dudley

http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2017

The idea of Aldridge on our roster next year makes me want to throw up.

1. He is too expensive for what he brings
2. He would cost us some of our young core to get him
3. He cannot play the game the way it needs to be played in todays NBA and the way our roster is being built to play.
4. Why would any player want to leave the greatest coach ever (at least most say that of Popovich).

a lot of validity

I actually think Millsaps for 2 years 50m sign and trade Knight/Len would be a solid way to get rid of the Knight contract; improve the team a bit but allowing the young guys the chance to play

as for the Aldridge deal - its strictly a cash dump for them if they want CP3 - and I am not sure taking back Dudley - so saving 10m is enough . I think they will have to release Parker - like how the Suns released Beasley -

I don't see anyway a 32 year old milsap takes a 2 year deal. This is probably his last big payday hes asking for the full 4 years and as much money as he can get. Especially if he were to go to a rebuilding team like the suns. Maybe he takes a discount for a contender if he wants to ring chase.

Why would Atlanta take knights contract? Wouldn't they rather just let him walk and use the cap space on someone better than knight?

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[bigfoot]

That team would be at least a 12 point underdog to Golden State in every game. On top of that we would have traded Bender to do it, while maxing out our cap space for the next 5 or 6 years, and also virtually trading one of Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba since we wouldn't be tanking. Sorry, that is awful.

Stop with the tank talk for next years draft. It is time that we start putting a winning product on the floor.

You should probably temper those expectations. Unless we make significant strides defensively, we're still gonna be real bad.

Thunder won 53 games with Durant (2yrs), Westbrook (1yr), Harden (R), and Ibaka (R).
Booker (2yrs), Chriss (1yr), Bender (1yr), Ulis (1yr) Jackson (R) + Warren (3yr) and Bledsoe/Dudley/Chandler

If we don't start winning soon then these guys are not the players needed for our rebuild. After four years Len has shown he is not part of the rebuild. We should see something happen this year or our guys just aren't good enough. So we better being pushing for a playoff spot, otherwise we should temper our expectations of tanking to try to build through the draft.

[bwgood77]

Yes, it makes zero sense to sign any of these guys, and they won't want to sign here anyway. If we want to sign a vet PG to a reasonable small deal like Calderon or whatever for backup, fine, but not any of these star type players when we need our prizes for being bad to develop.

You constantly say this and I am trying to figure out why. We were close to signing LMA a couple years ago. We have been linked to being maybe the only team that could trade for him where he won't opt out of his player option.
We have been mentioned as a team that that could possibly look at Paul Millsap. There are virtually no teams that made the playoffs this past season that would be able to sign Millsap as a free agent. The three teams that were mentioned to make a sign and trade for Millsap were the Suns, Kings, and Nuggets.
Griffin on the Pardon the Take podcast mentioned Phoenix on his favorite cities. He mentioned our training staff, and then said he would like to be here from the beginning before we blow up. Sure maybe he was half-joking, but we got the cap space, and again, playoff teams don't. Boston has the cap space but it sounds like they are going after Hayward and maybe George. Also I think Clippers can't offer him a super max, so there isn't any incentives on staying with them. Jordan Schultz also said Griffin has become frustrated with CP3 and the Clippers organization.

I know we are a young team, but we still have vets like Bledsoe and Chandler who haven't asked to be traded and wanted to stay here.

Biggest reason I wouldn't want a guy like Aldridge of Millsap is because I want Chriss and Bender to have every chance to have the minutes to get better. The sooner that happens, the sooner this team becomes really good. You block, that, you set them back, with a vet leading players who are not ready, trying to make the playoffs, and we probably wouldn't, and even if we did we go nowhere, and Chriss and Bender don't get the proper on court development time, and then they never develop.

So when are guys are ready to contribute in lets say 3 years, and another powerhouse team emerges such as the Wolves who are overly dominate and we end up going nowhere, then what?

I think Aldridge might want to play here but they wanted a top 10 pick for him. I"m not ready to make a deal like that. I love Millsap and normally I'd want him but I want Chriss and Bender to get a ton of playing time this year to further develop.

If are guys are ready to contribute in 3 years, yes, we will likely run into power houses, and if we have those older vets having blocked them on the team, they (Chriss/Bender) will be less ready to contribute and those guys will be too old to matter. Millsap will be clearly declining and Blake is already injured every season anyway. He's going down the Amare road. If the Spurs want to get rid of a player, there is probably a good reason not to want him.

[bwoolf2]

Stop with the tank talk for next years draft. It is time that we start putting a winning product on the floor.

You should probably temper those expectations. Unless we make significant strides defensively, we're still gonna be real bad.

Thunder won 53 games with Durant (2yrs), Westbrook (1yr), Harden (R), and Ibaka (R).
Booker (2yrs), Chriss (1yr), Bender (1yr), Ulis (1yr) Jackson (R) + Warren (3yr) and Bledsoe/Dudley/Chandler

If we don't start winning soon then these guys are not the players needed for our rebuild. After four years Len has shown he is not part of the rebuild. We should see something happen this year or our guys just aren't good enough. So we better being pushing for a playoff spot, otherwise we should temper our expectations of tanking to try to build through the draft.

Good so you are agreeing we need to play our young guys and see if they start winning! not sign a bunch of old dudes.

and just for the record, that Thunder team, was was still on average 2 years older than this Suns team... and with Ibaka maybe 4...lol

[bwgood77]

Stop with the tank talk for next years draft. It is time that we start putting a winning product on the floor.

You should probably temper those expectations. Unless we make significant strides defensively, we're still gonna be real bad.

Thunder won 53 games with Durant (2yrs), Westbrook (1yr), Harden (R), and Ibaka (R).
Booker (2yrs), Chriss (1yr), Bender (1yr), Ulis (1yr) Jackson (R) + Warren (3yr) and Bledsoe/Dudley/Chandler

If we don't start winning soon then these guys are not the players needed for our rebuild. After four years Len has shown he is not part of the rebuild. We should see something happen this year or our guys just aren't good enough. So we better being pushing for a playoff spot, otherwise we should temper our expectations of tanking to try to build through the draft.

You're talking about 3 players who have become MVP caliber players though. I think it's a little tough to even project one of our players on that path, much less 3. But yeah, I want us to put these players on the court and I hope we win. I'll be ok with losing since they are young. Many of those players coming in were among the youngest, if not THE youngest in their draft class, at least with Booker, Chriss and Bender...I think Booker and Bender were the youngest and Chriss the second youngest. Chriss and Bender were far more raw than Harden and Westbrook coming in as well.

I think there is a very good chance we will be very competitive on some nights. In any case, I think we will be a fun team to watch.

[bigfoot]

You should probably temper those expectations. Unless we make significant strides defensively, we're still gonna be real bad.

Thunder won 53 games with Durant (2yrs), Westbrook (1yr), Harden (R), and Ibaka (R).
Booker (2yrs), Chriss (1yr), Bender (1yr), Ulis (1yr) Jackson (R) + Warren (3yr) and Bledsoe/Dudley/Chandler

If we don't start winning soon then these guys are not the players needed for our rebuild. After four years Len has shown he is not part of the rebuild. We should see something happen this year or our guys just aren't good enough. So we better being pushing for a playoff spot, otherwise we should temper our expectations of tanking to try to build through the draft.

You're talking about 3 players who have become MVP caliber players though. I think it's a little tough to even project one of our players on that path, much less 3. But yeah, I want us to put these players on the court and I hope we win. I'll be ok with losing since they are young. Many of those players coming in were among the youngest, if not THE youngest in their draft class, at least with Booker, Chriss and Bender...I think Booker and Bender were the youngest and Chriss the second youngest. Chriss and Bender were far more raw than Harden and Westbrook coming in as well.

I think there is a very good chance we will be very competitive on some nights. In any case, I think we will be a fun team to watch.

If our players can't compete for rookie of the year or at least all-rookie team then they are probably not what we need for the long haul. I'm not saying they all need to be MVP caliber but they better be one of the top rookies in their class. Len was definitely not. Booker yes. Bender, Chriss, Ulis ?? Jackson ? We should know this year.

[NTB]

Thunder won 53 games with Durant (2yrs), Westbrook (1yr), Harden (R), and Ibaka (R).
Booker (2yrs), Chriss (1yr), Bender (1yr), Ulis (1yr) Jackson (R) + Warren (3yr) and Bledsoe/Dudley/Chandler

If we don't start winning soon then these guys are not the players needed for our rebuild. After four years Len has shown he is not part of the rebuild. We should see something happen this year or our guys just aren't good enough. So we better being pushing for a playoff spot, otherwise we should temper our expectations of tanking to try to build through the draft.

You're talking about 3 players who have become MVP caliber players though. I think it's a little tough to even project one of our players on that path, much less 3. But yeah, I want us to put these players on the court and I hope we win. I'll be ok with losing since they are young. Many of those players coming in were among the youngest, if not THE youngest in their draft class, at least with Booker, Chriss and Bender...I think Booker and Bender were the youngest and Chriss the second youngest. Chriss and Bender were far more raw than Harden and Westbrook coming in as well.

I think there is a very good chance we will be very competitive on some nights. In any case, I think we will be a fun team to watch.

If our players can't compete for rookie of the year or at least all-rookie team then they are probably not what we need for the long haul. I'm not saying they all need to be MVP caliber but they better be one of the top rookies in their class. Len was definitely not. Booker yes. Bender, Chriss, Ulis ?? Jackson ? We should know this year.

I think we can say yes for Chriss too. Also Ulis.

[AtheJ415]

Sign Blake griffin

Sign and trade- Bledsoe/Bender for Chris Paul

We will Be young and can contend this year

Paul
Booker
Jones
Griffin
Chandler

That's 3 all stars and the. The 4th player in the draft and a double double center still.

That team would be at least a 12 point underdog to Golden State in every game. On top of that we would have traded Bender to do it, while maxing out our cap space for the next 5 or 6 years, and also virtually trading one of Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba since we wouldn't be tanking. Sorry, that is awful.

Stop with the tank talk for next years draft. It is time that we start putting a winning product on the floor.

No it isn't. Stop with the rampant talk of ultra treadmilling moves to win now while mortgaging the future in the process with some misguided belief that this team by replicating the clippers will somehow become contenders. It is laughable.

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[ATTL]

I think we would have won 30 games if we didnt sit bledsoe and Tyson down the stretch. With improvement from our youth and the addition of JJ I could see close to 40 wins and a lotto pick in the 10-14 range.
Back to the middle, baby! This time we have room for growth.

[AtheJ415]

That team would be at least a 12 point underdog to Golden State in every game. On top of that we would have traded Bender to do it, while maxing out our cap space for the next 5 or 6 years, and also virtually trading one of Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba since we wouldn't be tanking. Sorry, that is awful.

Stop with the tank talk for next years draft. It is time that we start putting a winning product on the floor.

You should probably temper those expectations. Unless we make significant strides defensively, we're still gonna be real bad.

Yup. Teams as young as ours simply don't win in the nba in tbis type of western conference. It would be unprecedented.

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[DirtyDez]

Westbrook or Cousins 2018.

[bigfoot]

That team would be at least a 12 point underdog to Golden State in every game. On top of that we would have traded Bender to do it, while maxing out our cap space for the next 5 or 6 years, and also virtually trading one of Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba since we wouldn't be tanking. Sorry, that is awful.

Stop with the tank talk for next years draft. It is time that we start putting a winning product on the floor.

No it isn't. Stop with the rampant talk of ultra treadmilling moves to win now while mortgaging the future in the process with some misguided belief that this team by replicating the clippers will somehow become contenders. It is laughable.

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So sad a "fan" wants to see our team lose next year.

[jredsaz]

That team would be at least a 12 point underdog to Golden State in every game. On top of that we would have traded Bender to do it, while maxing out our cap space for the next 5 or 6 years, and also virtually trading one of Doncic, Porter, Ayton, or Bamba since we wouldn't be tanking. Sorry, that is awful.

Stop with the tank talk for next years draft. It is time that we start putting a winning product on the floor.

No it isn't. Stop with the rampant talk of ultra treadmilling moves to win now while mortgaging the future in the process with some misguided belief that this team by replicating the clippers will somehow become contenders. It is laughable.

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By doing nothing we will end up back in the 8-12 pick range. It's time to teach our young core how to win. Winning has to be a priority at some point.

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[kennydorglas]

I dont think we need to tank to land Robert Williams next year.

[bwoolf2]

Stop with the tank talk for next years draft. It is time that we start putting a winning product on the floor.

No it isn't. Stop with the rampant talk of ultra treadmilling moves to win now while mortgaging the future in the process with some misguided belief that this team by replicating the clippers will somehow become contenders. It is laughable.

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So sad a "fan" wants to see our team lose next year.

No he wants to see our young talent have a chance to play and develop not a bunch of guys in their 30s that get us no closer to a championship than the Clippers or Hawks got this year. Im guessing based on your logic you would like to switch positions with those teams... pass....

[LukasBMW]

Bledsoe is better then any PG on the market we realistically have a shot at and since no one seems to want to give us decent value back in a trade for him, I think we ride him for one more year. Maybe we move him if the price is right, or maybe he somehow manages to stay healthy.

Knight is sunk cost. We may as well play him off the ball with Ulis in the second unit.

If we are serious about running a lineup of TJ/Jackson/Booker at the 4/3/2 then we don't need more then 2 centers on our roster and that means Tyson + either Len or Sauce.

Maybe we keep both Len and Sauce if the price is right.

I think the rotation will look like this

Bledsoe - 32 / Ulis 16
Booker - 36 / Knight 12
TJ 22 / Jackson 26
Chriss 12 / Bender 24 / TJ 12
Tyson 24 / Chriss 24


Sauce / Dudly / Barbosa cheer on the side lines.

Maybe Len replaces Chandler in the rotation if we keep him.

Jones Jr , Reed, & Peters hang out in NAZ.