Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 1

[SideSwipe]

Wow, I do not touch that package for Kyrie if I am BOS. I wonder if they got a commit to re-sign. This deal just happened between two rivals as well. Wow. Ainge just said I will win without IT, and those tow other All-Star players that were traded this summer weren't worth it. I can't see into the future, but I will say it right now I strongly think Ainge just got duped.

Before I saw the deal was actually put together, I thought this was Ainge getting back at McD by upping the ante for Kyrie and forcing McD's hand- basically pay back for Jackson. That would have been fun to reconcile. And somehow Kyrie just pulled the biggest haul of the summer- I can't figure that out. Ainge painted himself into a corner by not grabbing George or Butler to pair with IT, Hayward and co. Now he's forced to give up IT (who he must not want to pay), crowd favorite Crowder, and one of his hard to pry BKN #1's I don't get it. It seems there should be more in play here.

Meanwhile the Cavs just became

IT/Felder
Wade*/Smith/Korver
LBJ/Crowder/ RJ/ Shumpert
Love/Frye/ Cedi
Thompson/ Zicic

Crowder helps with perimeter D, maybe Zicic helps with length in the middle (which they need a lot more of). It's great value for CLE, but I'm not sure of the fit myself. It seems like there could be another deal could be made out of this.

[starbosa10]

glad we didn't try to compete with that offee

[SideSwipe]

I also wonder if this won't open up the floodgates for a few other FA deals and follow-on trades by other teams that were in wait and watch mode.

[Kerrsed]

I also wonder if this won't open up the floodgates for a few other FA deals and follow-on trades by other teams that were in wait and watch mode.

Noel is still patiently waiting. Dallas doesnt want to overpay him, so i think he could be easy for a team to steal for the right price (If one has the cap room to do so).

You also have to wonder if Melo is the next domino to fall.

[BobbieL]

Because it's the Cavs, you can almost pencil them into winning the lottery this next year. Someone in the organization made a deal with the devil.

Well, the Nets could have a worse record but you know if they are 4th in the lottery and the Suns top 3 - the Cavs will pass them for sure

Good trade by the Cavs - I think with Crowder, Thomas - they are much better than with Kyrie.

[Qwigglez]

Okay so with the deal done, would you guys have done something similar?
So here is what feels similar IMO.
Kyrie = Bledsoe
Crowder = Warren
Zizic = Reed
Nets pick = 2021 Heat pick

Just wondering? Or post something similar where we don't lose Jackson/Bender/Chriss, would you guys have been cool with it?

[Jay_Sizzle]

I have a feeling Boston will really regret sending the Brooklyn pick 10 years from now.

[SunZel]

Suns probaly like "hey Bledsoe we still cool man" ?

[Jay_Sizzle]

Okay so with the deal done, would you guys have done something similar?
So here is what feels similar IMO.
Kyrie = Bledsoe
Crowder = Warren
Zizic = Reed
Nets pick = 2021 Heat pick

Just wondering? Or post something similar where we don't lose Jackson/Bender/Chriss, would you guys have been cool with it?

I think we would need to put our 2018 pick unprotected to compete.

[Moochthemonkey]

Wow, I do not touch that package for Kyrie if I am BOS. I wonder if they got a commit to re-sign. This deal just happened between two rivals as well. Wow. Ainge just said I will win without IT, and those tow other All-Star players that were traded this summer weren't worth it. I can't see into the future, but I will say it right now I strongly think Ainge just got duped.

Before I saw the deal was actually put together, I thought this was Ainge getting back at McD by upping the ante for Kyrie and forcing McD's hand- basically pay back for Jackson. That would have been fun to reconcile. And somehow Kyrie just pulled the biggest haul of the summer- I can't figure that out. Ainge painted himself into a corner by not grabbing George or Butler to pair with IT, Hayward and co. Now he's forced to give up IT (who he must not want to pay), crowd favorite Crowder, and one of his hard to pry BKN #1's I don't get it. It seems there should be more in play here.

Meanwhile the Cavs just became

IT/Felder
Wade*/Smith/Korver
LBJ/Crowder/ RJ/ Shumpert
Love/Frye/ Cedi
Thompson/ Zicic

Crowder helps with perimeter D, maybe Zicic helps with length in the middle (which they need a lot more of). It's great value for CLE, but I'm not sure of the fit myself. It seems like there could be another deal could be made out of this.

you forgot Derek Rose, while no longer MVP calibre- still great as a backup PG or sixth man. And they have Jeff Green too wtf!

inb4 Lebron complains about not having a 'true' offensive center

[Moochthemonkey]

Suns probaly like "hey Bledsoe we still cool man" ?

[Blackification]

Okay so with the deal done, would you guys have done something similar?
So here is what feels similar IMO.
Kyrie = Bledsoe
Crowder = Warren
Zizic = Reed
Nets pick = 2021 Heat pick

Just wondering? Or post something similar where we don't lose Jackson/Bender/Chriss, would you guys have been cool with it?

That nets pick is the most valuable asset going and we couldnt match it unless we gave up our own. But yes i would do that trade, the cavs got a way better offer though

[bwgood77]

Our offer was not enough for Irving, the Cavs has made a great trade. Boston gets a top talent, so it's a win-win IMO.

Irving is an amazing player and that is why he has that big time value.

the Cavs get better
Boston gets worse by having to lose two core players to make the deal work just in terms of salary
they risk losing Irving after next season (Irving didn't even list Boston as one of his preferred destinations)
Boston loses rebuilding assets
nor can they start a true rebuild because they just signed Hayward and Horford

either Ainge is a bigger idiot than we all imagined, or teams are secretly controlled by an NBA hedgefund management group.

Crowder was a key player, but with Hayward, Tatum and Brown still coming along, they don't really need him, and he only had like a year left I see.

Also, David Griffin made it sound like Boston was one of the teams he'd like to play for in an interview.

And they won't lose him next year since he's signed for two years. I don't know why Irving would leave there, though I guess I didn't think he'd leave Cleveland. Boston is a much better city, and the team has a much brighter future and they have a much better coach though so I think if they max him out he'll definitely stay. They gotta be ready to go in the tax now.

They also still may get a top 5 pick this year if the Lakers pick falls anywhere from 2-5.

[Azsports77]

according to ESPN the Suns are suppose to be the worst team in the NBA next season lol. Why not tank and tank some more so we can give ouselves a shot at Bagley and insuring the Cavs don't get him.

[Kerrsed]

So Crowder is going to make a difference in Cleveland playing.....what...the 8 minutes per game that Lebron isnt playing?

To me its pretty much the Brooklyn pick for Irving, with IT and Crowder only thrown in as salary filler to make the numbers work. Oh and Zizic as a cheap 3rd string C that might develop into a decent back-up C.

[bwgood77]

Wow. Ainge really blew this. He could have had Butler or Paul George for a deal centered on Crowder and that pick. Instead, he made a near negligible upgrade at PG (which is the easiest position to fill in today's league) while downgrading the wing and losing a pick. You could claim IT becoming an FA is the reason why, but Kyrie becomes one just 1 year later.

IT, Butler, Hayward, Brown, Horford

or

IT, Hayward, Paul George, Brown, Horford

are both SO MUCH BETTER than

Kyrie, Smart, Brown, Morris, Horford.


Just wow.

But George was going to LA. Why did you leave Hayward out of your final lineup?? And why leave out Tatum? Looks like you intentionally tried to make it look really bad. More like

Kyrie, Smart, Hayward, Tatum, Horford Or throw Brown in there instead of Smart or Tatum.

Smart is a great guard to have next to Kyrie too since you don't need another shooter next to Kyrie, but you could use some defense.

Also, I think Ainge was probably VERY hesitant to give IT a max and he wouldn't be hesitant to give one with Kyrie (plus he has him under contract for 2 years).

I don't think it's a great trade for the Celtics but I think their starting lineup probably improves in the long run IF Kyrie doesn't try to do everything himself.

[Saberestar]

So Crowder is going to make a difference in Cleveland playing.....what...the 8 minutes per game that Lebron isnt playing?

To me its pretty much the Brooklyn pick for Irving, with IT and Crowder only thrown in as salary filler to make the numbers work. Oh and Zizic as a cheap 3rd string C that might develop into a decent back-up C.

Come on...Crowder can defend SGs, SFs and PFs. He can play next to Lebron all game long if needed.
He is gonna give them a lot of depth.

[Jdiddy701]

I wonder what McD has in store for plan B for Eric Bledsoe.


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[Phystic]

Okay so with the deal done, would you guys have done something similar?
So here is what feels similar IMO.
Kyrie = Bledsoe
Crowder = Warren
Zizic = Reed
Nets pick = 2021 Heat pick

Just wondering? Or post something similar where we don't lose Jackson/Bender/Chriss, would you guys have been cool with it?

Sorry but that's not nearly equivalent. Regardless of what some here say Bledsoe is not = to Irving. Crowder is a better overall player than Warren and on a superb contract while Warren is about to be a RFA. And that Heat pick isn't even slightly worth what that Nets pick is. Not because the Heat pick MAY not be that good( I don't think it will) but because there's not telling, we all know what that Nets pick is.

But to answer your question, no I wouldn't even remotely match that offer. I'm beyond thrilled McD and Co. didn't cave to the pressures.

[SSOL]

Totally disagree. Cleveland barely loses anything, if anything, in swapping Kyrie for IT. Kyrie is better (advanced numbers back it up) only in name.