2020-2021 Dynasty League

[bigfoot]

Spoiler:

Aleksej Pokusevski

He was on my radar for my final pick.

I didn't think I had another pick which is why I took him with what I thought was my final pick...though if the 5th round is the final, you would have taken him one more spot than me. If there are six rounds for those who only kept 7, I probably would have taken him in 5th.

Yeah, you've got pick #62 left ... he may have been gone long before then. I think Kerrsed has your next pick (#46).

[Kyler Murray]

Derrick Rose for me I guess

[Kyler Murray]

Looking to trade one of my bigs for a guard, players available:
Draymond
Capela
Nurkic
Wood

Hit me up

[bigfoot]

Keeper poll needs to be updated. Options should be

6 keepers + 1st round pick or 7 keepers
7 keepers + 1st round pick or 8 keepers
8 keepers + 1st round pick or 9 keepers

Six keepers+pick promotes the movement of more players ranking between 70-100. We had just a few of those this time with 7 keepers+pick. To me, nine keepers seem to make teams very static with players unlikely to move. Again, this is unrealistic when compared to the NBA. Honestly, we need to figure out a real free agent system instead of asking for 9 franchise-tagged players. That's basically what the keeper system is ... franchise tag.

By the numbers, 8-9 keepers (8.5) with 15 teams is 136 players off the board for the draft while 6-7 keepers (6.5) is 97 players off the board. The middle ground taken this season was about 114 players off the board.

[bwgood77]

He was on my radar for my final pick.

I didn't think I had another pick which is why I took him with what I thought was my final pick...though if the 5th round is the final, you would have taken him one more spot than me. If there are six rounds for those who only kept 7, I probably would have taken him in 5th.

Yeah, you've got pick #62 left ... he may have been gone long before then. I think Kerrsed has your next pick (#46).

Are the roster sizes 12 or 13?

[bwgood77]

Keeper poll needs to be updated. Options should be

6 keepers + 1st round pick or 7 keepers
7 keepers + 1st round pick or 8 keepers
8 keepers + 1st round pick or 9 keepers

Six keepers+pick promotes the movement of more players ranking between 70-100. We had just a few of those this time with 7 keepers+pick. To me, nine keepers seem to make teams very static with players unlikely to move. Again, this is unrealistic when compared to the NBA. Honestly, we need to figure out a real free agent system instead of asking for 9 franchise-tagged players. That's basically what the keeper system is ... franchise tag.

By the numbers, 8-9 keepers (8.5) with 15 teams is 136 players off the board for the draft while 6-7 keepers (6.5) is 97 players off the board. The middle ground taken this season was about 114 players off the board.

Well, originally we were going to increase keepers each year as people built their teams, and there would be mostly rookies drafted to build, or trades.

We could do 6 keepers + 1st round through 3rd round picks, 7 keepers + 2nd and 3rd round picks, 8 keepers + 3 round picks, or 9 keepers and no picks in first 3 rounds...or some variation of that.

[Book1Nation]

I didn't think I had another pick which is why I took him with what I thought was my final pick...though if the 5th round is the final, you would have taken him one more spot than me. If there are six rounds for those who only kept 7, I probably would have taken him in 5th.

Yeah, you've got pick #62 left ... he may have been gone long before then. I think Kerrsed has your next pick (#46).

Are the roster sizes 12 or 13?

12 I thought?

PG
G
SG
SF
F
PF
C
UTL
UTL
BN
BN
BN

[bwgood77]

Don't you try to make me look bad for not knowing a guy with twice more consonants than vowels on his name from OKC.

(I know I just made you count)

What are your thoughts on a G league draft after the draft where you draft a development player you can't play that year.

And then the following year you:

Can keep him in that spot
Drop him and replace in G league draft
Move up to roster and replace in G league draft
Move one player from roster to G league spot and drop your G leaguer or move him up to regular roster

?

[bwgood77]

Yeah, you've got pick #62 left ... he may have been gone long before then. I think Kerrsed has your next pick (#46).

Are the roster sizes 12 or 13?

12 I thought?

PG
G
SG
SF
F
PF
C
UTL
UTL
BN
BN
BN

I guess that's right, though I look at my roster and had 13, and some had 13 or 14. But I did find one with 12. Maybe the others ended season with guys on IR.

[MathiasPW]

A little bit bummed over the resistance to a capped league, but usually fond of changes.

Haven't had the time to put too much thought into this, but it kinda goes against my principle of increasing player movement.

[bigfoot]

A little bit bummed over the resistance to a capped league, but usually fond of changes.

Haven't had the time to put too much thought into this, but it kinda goes against my principle of increasing player movement.

Yes, fundamentally there is a resistance to losing players. Yet somehow we ignore the fact that through trade or FA in the NBA,

Lebron has been on 4x teams
Davis 2x teams
CP3 5x teams
Paul George 3x teams
Harden 2x teams
Irving 3x teams
Leonard 3x teams

Really what big names have moved in this dynasty league??

[bigfoot]

I guess back to the last guy I cut from the team. Give me Rui Hachimura

I think you are up again

[Kerrsed]

A little bit bummed over the resistance to a capped league, but usually fond of changes.

Haven't had the time to put too much thought into this, but it kinda goes against my principle of increasing player movement.

Yes, fundamentally there is a resistance to losing players. Yet somehow we ignore the fact that through trade or FA in the NBA,

Lebron has been on 4x teams
Davis 2x teams
CP3 5x teams
Paul George 3x teams
Harden 2x teams
Irving 3x teams
Leonard 3x teams

Really what big names have moved in this dynasty league??

But see in my eyes, the idea of a Dynasty or "Keeper" league is that you keep your players and the majority of the movement comes from trades, not being forced to drop players every season. I honestly dont like the idea that you dont get to keep almost a 4th of your team.

[bwgood77]

A little bit bummed over the resistance to a capped league, but usually fond of changes.

Haven't had the time to put too much thought into this, but it kinda goes against my principle of increasing player movement.

It would be mostly 2nd round prospects or late first ones that people likely couldn't afford to pick up anyway, but would hold their rights.

The cap thing is interesting. I just think there would have to be more info on what players values are, who fits into buckets if you did it that way, etc. I voted no but am not completely opposed to it at some point. I will have a hard time competing with the top teams so I wouldn't mind more player movement of good players...which will rarely happen unless you have another good player to trade for them.

[bwgood77]

A little bit bummed over the resistance to a capped league, but usually fond of changes.

Haven't had the time to put too much thought into this, but it kinda goes against my principle of increasing player movement.

Yes, fundamentally there is a resistance to losing players. Yet somehow we ignore the fact that through trade or FA in the NBA,

Lebron has been on 4x teams
Davis 2x teams
CP3 5x teams
Paul George 3x teams
Harden 2x teams
Irving 3x teams
Leonard 3x teams

Really what big names have moved in this dynasty league??

Most of those players move in FA or because of pending FA though and are traded for a ton of picks and a team immediately goes into rebuild.

Last year maybe the biggest trade was me trading Gobert and Westbrook for Jokic and Smart. I ended up losing the trade for now though but didn't feel Westbrook would have nearly the #s he did in Houston, and his free throw shooting had really fallen off, which hurt.

[MathiasPW]

There is more player movement than you make it sound like there is (to my surprise as well).

Last year, many big names swapped teams, like Westbrook (twice!) Jokic, Gobert, Butler and Luke Kennard.

[bwgood77]

There is more player movement than you make it sound like there is (to my surprise as well).

Last year, many big names swapped teams, like Westbrook (twice!) Jokic, Gobert, Butler and Luke Kennard.

And Horford....but that trade didn't end up working too well for me as I ended up getting Steven Adams with the pick I got for him.

It may have helped me stay in the bottom draft tier and get Hayes, but I may have been able to get him later too...not sure how much later...not sure if he lasts to 8, but maybe close.

[dmastro32]

Give me Harrison Barnes

[sunskerr]

I think it should go without saying that as part of a large but tight knit community that we are in a rare position with regards to being able to pull off a competitive, consistently managed, and in-depth dynasty basketball league. So with respect to that, imo we should be trying to make the team building process as in depth as possible. And part of doing that should mean giving serious consideration to an auction, contract, and/or salary cap system, or some combination of those.

I believe a more in-depth process of team building would compliment the roto 8-cat format far more than the yearly redraft leagues where the 8-cat roto format just means whomever's team is stacked the most wins, which causes gridlock in regards to trade negotiations because the winner of the trade is simply the person with the better total stats. Roto can also be a bit of a snore because you don't really have to pay very much attention to your team in season/post draft. Maybe a different system like a cap would help with increasing in-season participation beyond setting lineups.

As for trades in dynasty last year we had ones involving Jokic, Collins & Butler (iirc), and DeAaron Fox. So imo I think we're already doing pretty decently with regards to trades, especially because in dynasty there is a dynamic of long term youth growth vs current veteran production. I can see a contract/cap system potentially hamstringing owners in regards to trades, so that's one area we'd need to be careful with.

[Stix]

Elfrid Payton