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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#341 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Jul 26, 2021 4:35 pm

nevetsov wrote:Is there a modern day Dragic type that we could draft-and-stash with the #29? Surely there's gotta be a promising young Euro PG prospect somewhere turning heads.


I'd look at Rokas Jokubaitus personally. He's 6'4 with a very high basketball IQ, He's a really crafty scorer, And he also a has pretty good court vision.


Carlos Alocen
would've been pretty solid at 6'5 with good passing skills and poise. But he withdrew from the draft. I also might look at:

Austin Reeves


If your looking for another very crafty big shotmaker in the midrange that has an uncanny ability to score in the midrange and is a lethal free throw shooter too. Reeves is also a pretty good passer too. He does need to work on further developing his three point shot and cutting down on occasional turnovers though. Really just playing in control.a bit more. But the cool thing about both of these particular prospects is that they're range has them in the late 2nd to undrafted range currently. So they're value could be really solid for their contractual cost. Also a guard like Jokubaitus ( if undrafted) could allow us to use our primary 29th pick on a big first and still come out of the draft in a really solid manner. :wink:
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Post#342 » by Crives » Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:46 pm

After getting acquainted with prospects in our range, I am leaning towards JT Thor if we don’t trade the pick. We are not going to have minutes available for rookies to play, we should take a high upside developmental player.
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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#343 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:05 pm

Crives wrote:After getting acquainted with prospects in our range, I am leaning towards JT Thor if we don’t trade the pick. We are not going to have minutes available for rookies to play, we should take a high upside developmental player.


Very true about playing time. But also about Thor being a strong consideration for us at 29. He along with Trey Murphy is one of two multipositional forwards that I'm personally high on at pick 29 if available when we pick.
What makes Thor so intriguing is that he actually has a very unique 3 and D skillset for his size. And also has a ton of potential in addition to his incredible versatility!


He projects as a better version of Al Fariq Aminu or if he reaches his ceiling, Something close to Pascal Siakim! He's still a bit raw and would need more seasoning/ development as you pointed out. I'm sure that I'll be called crazy for suggesting this, But I'd develop him with the intention of him primarily being used as an oversized multipositional defensive wing on the perimeter, or to create size mismatches,
etc. Or switching off interchangeably with Smith at the 4/5 in small ball lineups.

Ironically too, As he compares to Aminu ( much better version) who was also an oversized wing for Monty Williams, Coach Monty would know very well how to best utilize him. It'd be like having an Aminu all over again for him to mold and develop?
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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#344 » by thamadkant » Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:14 pm

If he's there Jason Preston looks like a suitable player.
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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#345 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:20 pm

Another interesting prospect that the suns had in for their cryptic pre draft workouts is Anthony Tarkes.
Jake (@jakeweingarten) Tweeted:
Coppin State’s Anthony Tarke had a workout yesterday with the Phoenix Suns, a source told @Stockrisers. He’s been doing very well in his workouts and recently impressed in Chicago.

I wrote about watching him in the Windy City and why he’s a sleeper:https://t.co/oUROFS5dZX
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Check out what he said about EJ Onu!! We should absolutely take Onu at 29, IF he's still on the board at 29. # GIANNIS 2.0

https://krod.com/nba-prospect-anthony-tarke-is-turning-heads-as-a-two-way-guard/

Decision makers are starting to take notice of the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference Player of the Year and his abilities as a two-way basketball prospect. He has worked out with various NBA teams like the Suns, Timberwolves, Bulls, Warriors and Hawks ahead of the 2021 Draft on July 29.

They like my ability to defend and my basketball IQ. Being versatile on both sides is big for them," Tarke said about the positive things scouts are saying about his game.

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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#346 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:52 pm

Need a guard or big in the draft. We have enough wings and 3/4s. Cam Johnson didn't get enough minutes already. Nader or Craig can get minutes. And if we are looking at Bullock that is another wing.
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Post#347 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:08 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Need a guard or big in the draft. We have enough wings and 3/4s. Cam Johnson didn't get enough minutes already. Nader or Craig can get minutes. And if we are looking at Bullock that is another wing.


You're very right!
I'm hoping that we take a big ( backup 5) at 29.
1- Neemias Queta.
2- Charles Bassey.
3- Jay Huff.
4- Jericho Sims.
5- Khalifa Diop.
* Not too sure on Day'ron Sharpe as he doesn't seem to really offer rim protection.

Then from the late 2nd ( i still think it's possible we might acquire one)? Or especially the undrafted pool-

1- Dijon Jarreau.** ( I'd hands down make Jarreau my very first call If he goes undrafted)!! :nod:
2- Mckinley Wright.
3- Jose Alvarado.
4- Rokas Jokubaitus.
5- DJ Carton.

This kid would be a steal for us as a 6'5 guard. If he does in fact go undrafted, We absolutely need to secure him as our top priority. Bwgood, Are you at all familiar with him yet?
He needs to up his 3 pt shooting a bit from 35% roughly. But he's as solid as they come. Has a very high motor is a very good playmaker and an absolutely lock down defender. I would even argue that he projects (defensively) closer to Jrue Holiday than maybe any other prospect in this draft, Including Suggs or Dosunma.

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** Also, I know that we don't really need further depth investments on the wing or at the forward position. But I would ask you to take a hard look at these forwards from the undrafted pool:

1-Amir Simms. He reminds me a lot of a young David West. He's also an above average playmaker from the post.


2-Moses Wright.
He's very strong. Has great vertical burst, And could be like a Montrez Harrell on steroids! But with a three point shot too.

These are undrafted prospects with extreme value for potential two way contracts. :nod:
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Post#348 » by thamadkant » Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:24 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Need a guard or big in the draft. We have enough wings and 3/4s. Cam Johnson didn't get enough minutes already. Nader or Craig can get minutes. And if we are looking at Bullock that is another wing.


When you say big... Depends. A mature 3 year college big would be the minimum to fill in Kaminsky's role. I expect Jalen Smith to get rotation minutes early in the season as suns need him to develop sooner than later, James Jones picked him for a reason.
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Post#349 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:40 pm

Evan Sidery (@esidery) Tweeted:
Florida combo guard Tre Mann will workout for the Suns this week, per @MikeAScotto.

Mann averaged 16 points and 3.5 assists while shooting 40.2% on 3s. Fits a microwave scorer role off the bench who could further develop his playmaking behind Chris Paul. https://t.co/dgq2CoxykY
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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#350 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:54 pm

thamadkant wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:Need a guard or big in the draft. We have enough wings and 3/4s. Cam Johnson didn't get enough minutes already. Nader or Craig can get minutes. And if we are looking at Bullock that is another wing.


When you say big... Depends. A mature 3 year college big would be the minimum to fill in Kaminsky's role. I expect Jalen Smith to get rotation minutes early in the season as suns need him to develop sooner than later, James Jones picked him for a reason.


Queta is a 3 year experienced big who blocks shots.
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Post#351 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:42 pm

Brendon Kleen (@BrendonKleen14) Tweeted:
Thinking through this year's guard class, one less talked about name I keep coming back to as an option for the Suns is Jason Preston of Ohio

Good shooter, efficient playmaker, experienced, hard work to even become a prospect
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Re: 2021 Draft 

Post#352 » by lilfishi22 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:53 am

@GoK

Thanks for driving this thread lol honestly, I can't really get excited about the #29 pick so I'll defer to you on this

Based on the workouts we're having and planning, does it seem like we're leaning towards a relatively older prospects (like Cam and Bridges) who might be more ready to contribute right away?
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Post#353 » by RaisingArizona » Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:05 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:Evan Sidery (@esidery) Tweeted:
Florida combo guard Tre Mann will workout for the Suns this week, per @MikeAScotto.

Mann averaged 16 points and 3.5 assists while shooting 40.2% on 3s. Fits a microwave scorer role off the bench who could further develop his playmaking behind Chris Paul. https://t.co/dgq2CoxykY
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He wears a headband. I say we pass.

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Post#354 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:05 am

lilfishi22 wrote:@GoK

Thanks for driving this thread lol honestly, I can't really get excited about the #29 pick so I'll defer to you on this

Based on the workouts we're having and planning, does it seem like we're leaning towards a relatively older prospects (like Cam and Bridges) who might be more ready to contribute right away?


No problem!
Really though, going off the reports and lists of who we've worked out so far, And who we've chosen to interview at the combine,

DATE POS TEAM AMD
Tre Mann- N/A
PG Florida 29
Age- 20

Neemias Queta- July 8
C Utah St. 47
Age- 22

Aaron Wiggins- N/A
SG Maryland 57
Age- 22

Anthony Tarke- July 6
SG Coppin State Not ranked
Age- 23

Jayvon Graves- July 6
PG Buffalo Not ranked
Age- 22

Jordan Schakel- N/A
SG San Diego State Not ranked
Age- 23

Jose Alvarado- N/A
PG Georgia Tech Not ranked
Age-23

Matt Mitchell- N/A
SF San Diego State Not ranked
Age- 22

Oscar Da Silva- N/A
PF Stanford Not ranked
Age- 22

Tyson Etienne- July 6
PG Wichita St. Not ranked
Age- 21


And those that we interviewed at the combine:
Trey Murphy 3rd-
Age- 21

Jaden Springer-
Age- 18

Nashon Hyland-
Age- 20


It seems that we're all over the place in terms of age and projected range honestly. I suspect that it's just because we haven't put anything in order yet. However, IF we go off the current pattern listed above, One could say that we seemingly will use our 29th pick on BPA. And look to the undrafted pool for older contribute now prospects to bolster our bench? :dontknow:
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Post#355 » by suns12345 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:11 am

Hypothetical Booker value question because i'm bored...

If you were the Pistons, would you trade us the #1 pick for DBook?
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Post#356 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:16 am

suns12345 wrote:Hypothetical Booker value question because i'm bored...

If you were the Pistons, would you trade us the #1 pick for DBook?

The Pistons probably would because of his hometown ties! Also because Book is already an established star ( All star). But any other team, Probably not. :-?
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Post#357 » by DirtyDez » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:18 am

suns12345 wrote:Hypothetical Booker value question because i'm bored...

If you were the Pistons, would you trade us the #1 pick for DBook?


Both teams likely decline because of their current status. I was looking at that SGA/6 for 1 rumor earlier and couldn’t think of 3 Piston’s players without looking. That roster isn’t 2016-18’ Suns bad but they have a lot of work to do.
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Post#358 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:36 am

Evan Sidery (@esidery) Tweeted:
If the Suns are once again going to prioritize upperclassmen, four names make a lot of sense in the late-first range: Jared Butler (Baylor), Ayo Dosunmu (Illinois), Quentin Grimes (Houston), and Joel Ayayi (Gonzaga).
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Post#359 » by Blonde » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:39 am

I like Hyland and Grimes in our range. Garuba and Cooper if they slide down a bit. Davion Mitchell as the likely steal of the draft if he goes outside the top 10.

Last year I was big on Ayayi but he didn’t really progress in a way that excites me. Pretty much none of the bigs interest me at all.

Haven’t really done my homework this year like I normally would but we should be able to land a real piece at 29.
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Post#360 » by Saberestar » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:46 am

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So it appears that James Jones will not draft any raw athletic guy or a freshman with "potential but"...no surprises here.

I expect him to draft a junior/senior who can give us some insurance at any position.

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