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Ghost of Kleine wrote:enigmatics wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Hassan Whiteside on a vet min "prove it deal anyone?? Could be a decent Plumlee replacement?
He has no legs. Literally can barely jump anymore. He wouldn't get away with that in the NBA. Not to mention the guy doesn't care about much of anythinf.
lilfishi22 wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:The only pro-Zion argument I can understand is to stay competitive with no regard for the future. Other than that, I just find picks and prospects now far more appealing than a few years (and potentially less if he's not healthy) of an experiment. I also think if he fails to stay healthy with us or doesn't impact our competitiveness as much as we hope, the value we'll get from a subsequent Zion trade is very likely going to fall off a cliff. He would have then failed at New Orleans and Phoenix and while there may be teams that could talk themselves into giving him a punt, they just aren't going to give up much for him and then once again, we would've paid a higher value than what we would get back in a trade later down the track. Also Zion is almost 25 now and if he was to be traded from the Suns in a year or two down the track, he'd be 26-27.
The way I see it, a KD trade that maximises future value now would be far better than trying to recoup value with Zion if that experiment fails.
Sure that's a fair perspective man. Although there are two important considerations here:
1st- Even at 26 or 27, Zion would just be entering his prime years, and could evolve in a multitude of ways that would sustain his value and trade interest. And depending upon the give up for him in buying low, and again, the basically nearly zero financial risk involved, the value gap still might end up being minimal at best!
2nd- The bulk of influence on our decision to trade KD for Zion or another package will be heavily predicated upon what level of value is offered by various teams. If the value from other teams is really solid, then I wouldn't lose sleep passing on Zion as a target, but if it ends up low ball and lousy, then eeff them all and give me Zion over a craptastic meediocre value outcome!
Given his injuries, his build and all of the medical concerns about his longevity, he very likely won't age like your average NBA player. I have no doubt he's already in his physical prime and I do think he'll have a pretty short prime as well given his play style, injury history and again, the longevity concerns most analysts already had before he even step foot on the NBA court. The fact that he's played under 50% of possible games in his short NBA career should tell you those pre-draft concerns are still very much valid and he's done very little to refute that.
For me, it's not the financial risk I'm concerned with because I knew there are non-guarantees in his contract. It's the opportunity costs you're giving up to muck around with Zion. Sure you could cut him after really giving him a go but then you're left with nothing.
Which follows onto your 2nd point about value. We value Zion differently and I just don't see even a 1 for 1 trade for KD good value. I don't know what teams would give up for for KD but I would presume most trades would be better than just one Zion. I just don't understand the point of Zion UNLESS it's to stay competitive and we continue to throw caution to the wind, which I hope we don't.
bullsaficianado wrote:Maybe a 3 team deal with Rockets, Pelicans and Suns. I just hope we get some picks back for taking on Zion.
The good news is if Rockets trade for Durant Udoka might be available a year from now.
Slim Charless wrote:Someone posted a poll on the trade forum on who has higher value KD or Zion.....and KD is winning 10-1 so far. If this can happen then HOU owes us some value.....we really need them to go down to the Golden State....
COME ON DUBS!!!!
Playoff Jimmy do your thing!
Draymond do your dirty thing!
Steph shoot lights out!
Saberestar wrote:Slim Charless wrote:Someone posted a poll on the trade forum on who has higher value KD or Zion.....and KD is winning 10-1 so far. If this can happen then HOU owes us some value.....we really need them to go down to the Golden State....
COME ON DUBS!!!!
Playoff Jimmy do your thing!
Draymond do your dirty thing!
Steph shoot lights out!
No doubt that KD has the bigger value around the league, Zion played just 30 games and his inability to play games it has happened too many times already in his career.
That’s why we would need to get more than just Zion if we are indirectly trading them.
The ideal trade with Zion would be Zion + good young player + draft capital for KD.
Just imagine that we get Zion + Tari Eason + 2 unprotected FRPs.
Slim Charless wrote:Saberestar wrote:Slim Charless wrote:Someone posted a poll on the trade forum on who has higher value KD or Zion.....and KD is winning 10-1 so far. If this can happen then HOU owes us some value.....we really need them to go down to the Golden State....
COME ON DUBS!!!!
Playoff Jimmy do your thing!
Draymond do your dirty thing!
Steph shoot lights out!
No doubt that KD has the bigger value around the league, Zion played just 30 games and his inability to play games it has happened too many times already in his career.
That’s why we would need to get more than just Zion if we are indirectly trading them.
The ideal trade with Zion would be Zion + good young player + draft capital for KD.
Just imagine that we get Zion + Tari Eason + 2 unprotected FRPs.
Id be fine with it even without Eason. I agree with GoK and think they won't trade him. Jabari Smith is the likely man out along with Brooks or maybe Jalen Green. Either of those guys will probably need to go to the Pels though as we cannot take that salary plus Zion's
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Only if.......................................
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:garrick wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Both are pretty bad! Sarver is like a veery cheap, miserly version of Donald Sterling! And Ishbia is like a rich, narcissistically compulsive version of Ted Stepien. It's crazy that we've gone between both polar extremes of super cheeap azzhat to recklessly compulsive overspender! The law of averages would say that our next owner should fall in the range of a more normal, happy medium!
Sarver was cheap in his initial years but once we started getting good he wasn't really being a cheapskate and was willing to spend.
Sure the racist comments were made in poor taste but the media blew it out of proportion and he certainly was not a Donald Sterling, Silver panicked and forced Sarver to sell to the worst person possible mid season so I hate Silver just as much as I hate Mat Ishbia.
Doomed our franchise to be a basement dweller at least for the next 10 years so our only hope to get out of it is to nail our future lottery picks after 2031.
You're either OK with the casual racism or you're not. I'm not and I'm glad he's no longer the owner of the Suns
Also happy to be corrected but I don't believe Sarver ever paidthe luxury tax post the Nash Era. We were on the hook for it and he put together the team that ended up paying the tax but he never did. Ish had to foot the bill
Ryu wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Only if.......................................
Sheppard, Whitmore, two first rounders + filler and we have a deal.
Before somebody says Rockets wouldnt pay that KD with all their young core intact would put them in the ring contention.
garrick wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
Well that was a depressing read.
Why the hell did we trade our 2031 pick without even light protection for 3 low value first rounders? I may just end up tuning out this team until 3032 and hopefully by that time Ishbia will have faced bankruptcy and is forced to sell the team.
King4Day wrote:Spoiler:
That's pretty crazy. I thought they were. I guess game on then if they do want to make a move.
I have to think if the Suns were going to move KD to them, it'd be for one of Mikal/OG and Robinson. Suns will still want to compete and that would give the team more energy/defense.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
This should be very interesting! I wonder if anyone has the balls to ask him if 26 other teams would still trade places, picks, rosters with us!
Jesus_H_Macy wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:
This should be very interesting! I wonder if anyone has the balls to ask him if 26 other teams would still trade places, picks, rosters with us!
Does this imply Jones will be back? If they aren't going to re-sign him then why would they keep him around? Him not already being fired makes me think he will. Disgusting. Jones back, a ridiculous crippling Booker extension, sending more assets out AGAIN to dump Beal. Unacceptable. Do the casual fans really care about Booker so much that they're going to keep showing up just because he's on the team? Jesus H who **** cares if there's no possibility of a championship now OR in the future. What is the point? I suppose the average sane person doesn't care about the Suns in the same way a sicko like me does and that probably explains most things. **** it. Just move them to Vegas, change the name, and leave the Suns records behind so there are at least some fond memories to look back on instead of the pointless **** garbage we're going to be subjected to for the next 5+ years
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