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Re: 2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - CP3 added...who's next? 

Post#3421 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:44 pm

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It's real weird that I look at this image and I don't really see any bonafide superstars right away so it's easy for casual fans to dismiss this squad as maybe a playoff team. But if you look a little closer, especially the fit, the experience and where we have our strength (the young guys) then you know this team not only has the talent and experience but because of the youth, we also have the legs to push teams.

We have a great mix of veterans in positions where you need real leadership (PG) and we have young guys in positions where you need real talent (SG/C/wings). We have a strong leader in Monty who players love to play for, we have a young star in Book who's ready to take another big step towards cementing his name in superstardom and we have a HOF vet who is still a top 5 (arguably top 3) PG in this league.
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Post#3422 » by matt131 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:44 pm

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Post#3423 » by Barkley6 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:45 pm

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Cap breakdown. $127 mil team salary. I have to tip my cap to Sarver for allowing to Jones to spend. This is about $20 mil over the cap and a far cry from the worries he would be around the $98mil salary floor.

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And we still have the BAE. This was excellent cap management I have to say. Got good guys in, and still have room to make a move if need be.
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Post#3424 » by Saberestar » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:47 pm

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What?

Gambo has said that Galloway's contract is for the veterans minimum.
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Post#3426 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:48 pm

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It wouldn't surprise me if they did indeed waive Okobo but he's the only one who's reported this and also appears to have the Galloway info wrong so who knows.

Now his point about the tax could be a reason to waive Okobo and give yourself the option of signing a guy later this year without hitting the tax.

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Post#3427 » by WeekapaugGroove » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:50 pm

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Yeah that's the route I would go. That extra little cash can help if there's a guy multiple teams want.

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Post#3428 » by Barkley6 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:50 pm

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It wouldn't surprise me if they did indeed waive Okobo but he's the only one who's reported this and also appears to have the Galloway info wrong so who knows.

Now his point about the tax could be a reason to waive Okobo and give yourself the option of signing a guy later this year without hitting the tax.

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Dont think it makes any sense to waive Okobo today UNLESS (unless....) we have another move coming. Why let a guy go 3 days before you need to unless you need the roster spot?
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Post#3429 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:50 pm

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Post#3430 » by bwgood77 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:51 pm

bhawk wrote:There is not a "2 years away from being 2 years away" prospect on our roster with the exception of undrafted Ty-Shon Alexander. That is a good thing. For every Goran Dragic, you get 10 Jalen Lecque's and Bruno Caboclo's. Ty Jerome was bad at NBA basketball and it was painful watching him. Chances are good that neither Jerome or Lecque makes it in the league... at least not in 2 years from 2 years from now.


Ty-Shon Alexander is not 2 years away from being 2 years away. Either he is NBA caliber or he isn't, but you might as well put an undrafted guy on a 2 way contract. He played 3 years in college and is already 22. He scored 17 ppg last year and shot 40% from 3. I think he could get some minutes if we have several guard injuries.

Our guard depth is deep though. Moore and Galloway are vet backups and then the two younger guys. I know Payne came into the league the year Booker did, but just finally looked like an NBA player in the bubble. We will have to see if that carries over into a regular season. I would imagine he won't play many minutes though unless he keeps shooting over 50% from 3.
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Post#3431 » by Barkley6 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:52 pm

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Yeah that's the route I would go. That extra little cash can help if there's a guy multiple teams want.

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I have a little issue with this thinking because....what if no one gets bought out? It's great to save it, but only if you're looking around and legitimately seeing 3-5 guys who are buyout candidates. Otherwise, I dunno if it makes sense to keep it in your pocket on the off chance 1 or 2 guys get bought out.
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Post#3432 » by Barkley6 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:55 pm

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The use of 'presumably' is ridiculous in this tweet. Is he presuming Okobo is waived? Or presuming Galloway signed the BAE? either way, sounds like he doesn't know what tf he's talking about. Reporters aren't paid to 'presume' they are paid to report.
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Post#3433 » by bwgood77 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:55 pm

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bhawk wrote:There is not a "2 years away from being 2 years away" prospect on our roster with the exception of undrafted Ty-Shon Alexander. That is a good thing. For every Goran Dragic, you get 10 Jalen Lecque's and Bruno Caboclo's. Ty Jerome was not good and it was painful watching him. Chances are good that neither makes it in the league... at least not in 2 years from 2 years from now.


I don't actually think Ty-Shon Alexander is that far away, he has NBA ready defense and he's apparently a pretty decent shooter. This article gives a really good breakdown of what to expect from him. If he comes to work and improves the weaknesses in his game, I think he could work his way into some game time in the event of an injury.

https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-draft/content/everything-you-need-to-know-about-tyshon-alexander


I just read your post about making the same posts two posts apart and right after making a Ty-Shon post came across this one.
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Post#3434 » by NTB » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:55 pm

Barkley6 wrote:
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Yeah that's the route I would go. That extra little cash can help if there's a guy multiple teams want.

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I have a little issue with this thinking because....what if no one gets bought out? It's great to save it, but only if you're looking around and legitimately seeing 3-5 guys who are buyout candidates. Otherwise, I dunno if it makes sense to keep it in your pocket on the off chance 1 or 2 guys get bought out.


You can't use BAE next off-season if you use it this year. Even though if we don't add anyone with that BAE this season, still good to save it. You can't use BAE two years in a row.
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Post#3435 » by bwgood77 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:58 pm

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Desertfox wrote:We do have two holes, 1) No true PF on team, everyone is either a C than can play PF (Saric, Smith) or a SF than can play PF (Johnson, Bridges, Crowder). 2) No veteran PG that can play if CP goes down, if he's out, the season is done. Interestingly, we had the same holes last season as well.


That is also a problem, we should have projects to build for the future. Especially at the two positions mentioned above. Hopefully, between Johnson and Smith they can take over the PF spot, but it would be nice to have a project to develop there for the future as well as one to take over CP spot in two years. This was also a problem last year.


I think the days of the 'true' PF in the NBA are long gone. A modern PF needs to be able to shoot, cover perimeter players, and rebound the ball at a decent clip. Mikal, Saric, and Cam all fit the mold of a 2020 PF. We've got enough cover if CP3 goes down. Payne, Galloway and Moore can all run point, and Booker can as well. Yeah its a risk if CP3 goes down, but he's an all star and you don't replace all stars with bench players. It's like saying "Oh, well, Portland can't cope if Dame goes down" or "Utah will miss the playoffs if Mitchell gets hurt" like, YEAH. That's why those guys are All-Stars, a major injury to a player of that caliber on any team is going to derail your season.

We had a bunch of projects last year. Jerome, Diallo, Lecque, Okobo.

Projects were a McD thing. Think Archie Goodwin guys. Diamonds in the rough that maybe JUST maybe might turn into an NBA player. But how many of them actually did? If we are in WIN NOW mode, we need to have solid guys off the bench, and guys who are competing at a high level in practice. Not a guy on a 3 year development timeline.

Great post and I would add that we actually have a project on the roster, Jalen Smith.


Yeah, maybe as not as much as Ayton was, but may need some work on defense in other areas. But a great 3 pt shooter coming off screens after movement and a great finisher inside and shot blocker. Not nearly the project that our draft picks after Booker were, until the Bridges pick.
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Post#3436 » by bwgood77 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:01 am

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Gambo, stating things hours after stated here.

I think Hollinger is wrong on two fronts in his tweet.
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Post#3437 » by LukasBMW » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:02 am

I don't get it. I'd rather have Baynes over Saric. Especially with the draft of Jalen Smith and pickup of Crowder.

Saric is soft and sucked big time early this year.
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Post#3438 » by bwgood77 » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:03 am

Barkley6 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Saberestar wrote:
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Yeah that's the route I would go. That extra little cash can help if there's a guy multiple teams want.

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I have a little issue with this thinking because....what if no one gets bought out? It's great to save it, but only if you're looking around and legitimately seeing 3-5 guys who are buyout candidates. Otherwise, I dunno if it makes sense to keep it in your pocket on the off chance 1 or 2 guys get bought out.


Well, you can keep it in your pocket for next year when your 1 year deals are gone and sign a guy for 2 years to last as long as a few of your other FA signings.
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Post#3439 » by Saberestar » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:06 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
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Is he talking calendar year?

First tweet he is talking about using BAE potentially later in this season (2020/21).

Second tweet he talks about using BAE next season (2021/22). BAE can't be used in consecutive seasons.
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Post#3440 » by jcsunsfan » Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:06 am

LukasBMW wrote:I don't get it. I'd rather have Baynes over Saric. Especially with the draft of Jalen Smith and pickup of Crowder.

Saric is soft and sucked big time early this year.

Baynes is 34 and declining.
Saric is 26 and improving.

He also really performed well in the bubble.

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