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Jae Crowder is loving the valley and the beautiful women it’s got lol.
Because we actually had someone who could run the offense and pass the ball? There are so many ways that the team could get better while still losing games. Big on triple doubles? Isn't everyone in the league big on triple doubles? It is extremely hard to do. If you look at the list, it is filled with HOF players. Chris Paul is a great player and he only has 16. And yes, assists are big for anyone who is evaluating a starting pg.bwgood77 wrote:RunDogGun wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
I expected him to make us better because we had started out terribly after firing our coach and the Bledsoe ordeal after 3 games getting blown out to start 0-3. Then trying Mike James for 10 games and Ulis for a half season or so, we were 18-38, but obviously neither were even close to being starter level quality, and Payton had been starting for the Magic, and even though they were not good, he was still fairly young. But after his 19 starts, we were 19-56, so not only did he not make us better, but a lot worse, taking a team that had won about 34% of their games post Bledsoe, winning only 5% of our games with him starting.
Then the Pelicans gave him a shot but decided he wasn't worth keeping after a year, and then the Knicks let him go and he was available for the minimum. Just not an inspiring signing. I followed the Knicks forum some and I am not sure I've seen a player as disliked on a team forum as he was.
We had the most dysfunctional team that year. We had two coaches that season. He came in and instantly was our best assist guy, so he did make us better on that alone. We didn't get Lebron, we got a 23 yr old pg with limited shooting touch, with a bunch of misfits. We had two decent players in Booker and Warren, but neither were good on defense, and Elf still got a triple double with those guys. Sorry you thought he would miraculously turn that group into winners.
I don't know how you think he made us better when we were winning 1 of 3 games before him and 1 of 19 with him. Who cares how many assists a guy gets? I know you are big on his triple doubles and assists. Like I said, he's fine for a 5th guard. I don't think he's nearly as good as you do though. Glad you're happy to have him though.
I think we are done here. 
thamadkant wrote:Revived wrote:
Jae Crowder is loving the valley and the beautiful women it’s got lol.
Sports stars should avoid women who post stuff like that... its a RED flag.
And thought Crowder was married with kids.
Anycase, must avoid gold diggers and socialite wannabes...
RunDogGun wrote:Because we actually had someone who could run the offense and pass the ball? There are so many ways that the team could get better while still losing games. Big on triple doubles? Isn't everyone in the league big on triple doubles? It is extremely hard to do. If you look at the list, it is filled with HOF players. Chris Paul is a great player and he only has 16. And yes, assists are big for anyone who is evaluating a starting pg.bwgood77 wrote:RunDogGun wrote:We had the most dysfunctional team that year. We had two coaches that season. He came in and instantly was our best assist guy, so he did make us better on that alone. We didn't get Lebron, we got a 23 yr old pg with limited shooting touch, with a bunch of misfits. We had two decent players in Booker and Warren, but neither were good on defense, and Elf still got a triple double with those guys. Sorry you thought he would miraculously turn that group into winners.
I don't know how you think he made us better when we were winning 1 of 3 games before him and 1 of 19 with him. Who cares how many assists a guy gets? I know you are big on his triple doubles and assists. Like I said, he's fine for a 5th guard. I don't think he's nearly as good as you do though. Glad you're happy to have him though.
Phoenix Suns: Power Forward Clarity
With four starters locked in for next season (Chris Paul, Devin Booker, Mikal Bridges, Deandre Ayton), power forward is the only potential weakness in the Suns lineup.
Phoenix does have options, however.
Jae Crowder locked down the job throughout the playoffs and most of the regular season and is a better defensive option than backup Cameron Johnson.
Johnson has a higher offensive upside, especially as an elite three-point shooter. He caught fire in the playoffs, finishing with a 44.6 percent mark from three in 21 games.
The Suns have also fared better with Johnson over Crowder with a net rating of plus-10.1 when the 25-year-old shares the floor with Paul, Booker, Bridges and Ayton, compared to plus-4.7 with Crowder.
bwgood77 wrote:Payne is a way better assist guy at this point than Payton. 7.2 per 36 vs 4.9 per 36 while he only has 2 turnovers per 36 to Payton's 2.5. Payton has been better earlier in his career with that but his career per 36 is 7.8.
Signing him isn't that big of a deal since we really down the stretch only ran a 3 guard rotation and now we have a nice 4 guard rotation, so I imagine he only sees a few minutes on occasion in garbage time or if we have an injury.
I just felt maybe a younger guy with more upside that hasn't kind of trended down in his career would be a preferable choice for me.
bwgood77 wrote:What indication is it that it's from Jae?
thamadkant wrote:Revived wrote:
Jae Crowder is loving the valley and the beautiful women it’s got lol.
Sports stars should avoid women who post stuff like that... its a RED flag.
And thought Crowder was married with kids.
Anycase, must avoid gold diggers and socialite wannabes...
MrMiyagi wrote:thamadkant wrote:Revived wrote:
Jae Crowder is loving the valley and the beautiful women it’s got lol.
Sports stars should avoid women who post stuff like that... its a RED flag.
And thought Crowder was married with kids.
Anycase, must avoid gold diggers and socialite wannabes...
Somehow I doubt she actually received a message.
But if she did and we're taking bets, my money is on Frank.
Ricky??? No need for a 4th PG.Revived wrote:https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/5-buyout-candidates-and-their-best-destinations-john-wall-to-clippers-kevin-love-to-lakers
Article talks about 5 potential buyout candidates and their best landing spots. Suns are a mentioned landing spot for one of them but not the player any of us would expect.
Revived wrote:https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/5-buyout-candidates-and-their-best-destinations-john-wall-to-clippers-kevin-love-to-lakers
Article talks about 5 potential buyout candidates and their best landing spots. Suns are a mentioned landing spot for one of them but not the player any of us would expect.
Not happening. Makes no sense at all. 
alamin330 wrote:Elfrid Payton went from starting all 63 regular season games he played and playing 26 minutes per game to starting in 2/5 1st round playoff games playing 6 minutes per game and 3 DNP-CD to finish the series.
He might be a nice pickup for the reg season but again there’s no improvement to guys who can’t help in the playoffs
bwgood77 wrote:RunDogGun wrote:bwgood77 wrote:
I expected him to make us better because we had started out terribly after firing our coach and the Bledsoe ordeal after 3 games getting blown out to start 0-3. Then trying Mike James for 10 games and Ulis for a half season or so, we were 18-38, but obviously neither were even close to being starter level quality, and Payton had been starting for the Magic, and even though they were not good, he was still fairly young. But after his 19 starts, we were 19-56, so not only did he not make us better, but a lot worse, taking a team that had won about 34% of their games post Bledsoe, winning only 5% of our games with him starting.
Then the Pelicans gave him a shot but decided he wasn't worth keeping after a year, and then the Knicks let him go and he was available for the minimum. Just not an inspiring signing. I followed the Knicks forum some and I am not sure I've seen a player as disliked on a team forum as he was.
We had the most dysfunctional team that year. We had two coaches that season. He came in and instantly was our best assist guy, so he did make us better on that alone. We didn't get Lebron, we got a 23 yr old pg with limited shooting touch, with a bunch of misfits. We had two decent players in Booker and Warren, but neither were good on defense, and Elf still got a triple double with those guys. Sorry you thought he would miraculously turn that group into winners.
I don't know how you think he made us better when we were winning 1 of 3 games before him and 1 of 19 with him. Who cares how many assists a guy gets? I know you are big on his triple doubles and assists. Like I said, he's fine for a 5th guard. I don't think he's nearly as good as you do though. Glad you're happy to have him though.
Revived wrote:https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/5-buyout-candidates-and-their-best-destinations-john-wall-to-clippers-kevin-love-to-lakers
Article talks about 5 potential buyout candidates and their best landing spots. Suns are a mentioned landing spot for one of them but not the player any of us would expect.
MrMiyagi wrote:RunDogGun wrote:Because we actually had someone who could run the offense and pass the ball? There are so many ways that the team could get better while still losing games. Big on triple doubles? Isn't everyone in the league big on triple doubles? It is extremely hard to do. If you look at the list, it is filled with HOF players. Chris Paul is a great player and he only has 16. And yes, assists are big for anyone who is evaluating a starting pg.bwgood77 wrote:
I don't know how you think he made us better when we were winning 1 of 3 games before him and 1 of 19 with him. Who cares how many assists a guy gets? I know you are big on his triple doubles and assists. Like I said, he's fine for a 5th guard. I don't think he's nearly as good as you do though. Glad you're happy to have him though.
You fight the weirdest battles.
Proceed.
Mr Puddles wrote:bwgood77 wrote:Payne is a way better assist guy at this point than Payton. 7.2 per 36 vs 4.9 per 36 while he only has 2 turnovers per 36 to Payton's 2.5. Payton has been better earlier in his career with that but his career per 36 is 7.8.
Signing him isn't that big of a deal since we really down the stretch only ran a 3 guard rotation and now we have a nice 4 guard rotation, so I imagine he only sees a few minutes on occasion in garbage time or if we have an injury.
I just felt maybe a younger guy with more upside that hasn't kind of trended down in his career would be a preferable choice for me.
Not sure if the last part of your post gets the coveted Mr Puddles stamp of approval. Payton is replacing Moore, we basically took play making over shooting with this move which I think was the right choice. The Suns need a third stringer who can facilitate the offense when Paul is out. I like how we took a veteran over a young guy, Payton needs to be a guy who will stay ready and we can throw out there in a playoff game when needed despite not having played in weeks. I trust a veteran more for a role like that than a young guy. Also, we'll still have Alexander on our roster, no?
