Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

[Sunsdeuce]

How quick we are to vilify Bledsoe, yet give Dragic the benefit of the doubt.

Dragic came back to the suns on his on accord. Dragic has done nothing to warrant anything close to doing aomething negative.

Now Bledsoe on the other hand is a different story. Bledsoe never said he like being in phx, never said he wanted to stay, made statements saying the suns were wronging him (using rules "against" him). He has been no where to be found in the off season. More worried about hanging out with his crew. Vilify Bledsoe, hell yes. He made his bed and now he has to sleep in it.


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[spanishninja]

How quick we are to vilify Bledsoe, yet give Dragic the benefit of the doubt.

Dragic came back to the suns on his on accord. Dragic has done nothing to warrant anything close to doing aomething negative.

Now Bledsoe on the other hand is a different story. Bledsoe never said he like being in phx, never said he wanted to stay, made statements saying the suns were wronging him (using rules "against" him). He has been no where to be found in the off season. More worried about hanging out with his crew. Vilify Bledsoe, hell yes. He made his bed and now he has to sleep in it.


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and Dragic has been on the other side of the world, but has still managed to keep in touch. Bledsoe's been on the other side of the country and can't be bothered.

[SunsFanSSOL]

Stein reported that the Suns, Kings and Pacers are interested in Zoran. I think it's pretty clear that none of these teams want him for his basketball ability, but instead for his relationship with his brother. All 3 teams are going to be suitors for Dragic next off-season and the Kings and Pacers have both made trade offers for Goran Dragic this off-season.

[Sunsdeuce]

Stein reported that the Suns, Kings and Pacers are interested in Zoran. I think it's pretty clear that none of these teams want him for his basketball ability, but instead for his relationship with his brother. All 3 teams are going to be suitors for Dragic next off-season and the Kings and Pacers have both made trade offers for Goran Dragic this off-season.

Now that agree with. Zoran is basically bait. Although he might actually have some value.


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[SunsFanSSOL]

Stein reported that the Suns, Kings and Pacers are interested in Zoran. I think it's pretty clear that none of these teams want him for his basketball ability, but instead for his relationship with his brother. All 3 teams are going to be suitors for Dragic next off-season and the Kings and Pacers have both made trade offers for Goran Dragic this off-season.

Now that agree with. Zoran is basically bait. Although he might actually have some value.


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His value is very little, he may look good in FIBA against subpar teams like Mexico, but that really doesn't mean anything. In the Euroleague he averaged 11 ppg on 41 % shooting, with poor rebounding and passing. No one on here would be advocating to get him if his last name wasn't Dragic.

[JDLAW]

Stein reported that the Suns, Kings and Pacers are interested in Zoran. I think it's pretty clear that none of these teams want him for his basketball ability, but instead for his relationship with his brother. All 3 teams are going to be suitors for Dragic next off-season and the Kings and Pacers have both made trade offers for Goran Dragic this off-season.

That's one way to interpret it, but I think it'd be unlikely that they would sign him just to go after Goran. Neither of the Dragic's are stupid and would see through this rouse rather quickly. Pacers will not have cap room to go after Dragic and the only way the Kings could would be to drop Rudy Gay. By the way neither the Kings nor the Pacers have cap room to contribute to Zoran's buy out and pay him a salary large enough to allow Zoran to complete the buyout and have some $$ left over for himself.

I think all the teams that are pursuing Zoran are doing so because his play overseas has improved to the point where he has at least earned the interest being expressed in him.

[Sunsdeuce]

Stein reported that the Suns, Kings and Pacers are interested in Zoran. I think it's pretty clear that none of these teams want him for his basketball ability, but instead for his relationship with his brother. All 3 teams are going to be suitors for Dragic next off-season and the Kings and Pacers have both made trade offers for Goran Dragic this off-season.

Now that agree with. Zoran is basically bait. Although he might actually have some value.


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His value is very little, he may look good in FIBA against subpar teams like Mexico, but that really doesn't mean anything. In the Euroleague he averaged 11 ppg on 41 % shooting, with poor rebounding and passing. No one on here would be advocating to get him if his last name wasn't Dragic.

Again I agree.


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[Jdiddy701]

The only way I see Dragic with another team is if he ever gets traded. No way he ever signs with another team or demands a trade. He's too comfortable in Phoenix and that's all he knows.


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[LukasBMW]

Anyone else concerned that Bledsoe may influence Archie?

Last year it was no secret that Archie was Bledsoe's shadow as the two had similar backgrounds.

I just hope Bledsoe isn't in Archie's ear.

[lilfishi22]

Now a BSoTS article on Dragic leaving Phx.

Here is what I'm betting happened. Dragic, to his Nat'l team manager "I will opt out of my contract with Phx and sign a new contract" and the manager interpreted that to mean he's leaving Phx but just misunderstood.

This was pretty much what the poster a couple of posts above said. Of course a bunch of people reading BSoTS will probably freak out.

That's how I read it. It's pretty much a given he's going to opt out of a bargain deal to look for a better pay day.

[Scutt]

Anyone else concerned that Bledsoe may influence Archie?

Last year it was no secret that Archie was Bledsoe's shadow as the two had similar backgrounds.

I just hope Bledsoe isn't in Archie's ear.

I wouldn't be too worried, Archie has been in Phoenix all off season working on his game. He seems to really have embraced the team. I am more concerned about our coach and deep guard rotation limiting his time on the court due to the Suns desperation to be an 8th seed.

[spanishninja]

New Orleans will have a Christmas-Holiday backcourt.

[Jdiddy701]

Good for Christmas.. I like the guy and wish him nothing but the best in the NBA. A hard worker and professional.

Hope he gets his chance.

[AtheJ415]

Now that agree with. Zoran is basically bait. Although he might actually have some value.


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His value is very little, he may look good in FIBA against subpar teams like Mexico, but that really doesn't mean anything. In the Euroleague he averaged 11 ppg on 41 % shooting, with poor rebounding and passing. No one on here would be advocating to get him if his last name wasn't Dragic.

Again I agree.


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This. But it's a no-brainer if you're the suns you offer him a spot. It means Dragic may stay for cheaper, and you can waste an end of bench spot for a guy like that, so long as he isn't eating real minutes away from our higher upside players.

[JTrain]

New Orleans will have a Christmas-Holiday backcourt.

[Rn5ho]

His value is very little, he may look good in FIBA against subpar teams like Mexico, but that really doesn't mean anything. In the Euroleague he averaged 11 ppg on 41 % shooting, with poor rebounding and passing. No one on here would be advocating to get him if his last name wasn't Dragic.

Again I agree.


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This. But it's a no-brainer if you're the suns you offer him a spot. It means Dragic may stay for cheaper, and you can waste an end of bench spot for a guy like that, so long as he isn't eating real minutes away from our higher upside players.

You guys are seriously underestimating Zoran Dragic. True, he's not a All-star material (probably), then again, neither was Goran 2 years ago. Zoran is a different kind of player, he's a hustler (huge one), no ball is ever lost for him, he's tireless in defense (i'd say he has potential to be a very high level defender) and stopped Harden at 0 points during USA-SLO game in 1st half (didn't play as much in 2nd). His shot also improved tremendously in last year and he can somewhat create his own shot as well. He might lack some muscles to go all-in for a layup, but that's something that can be worked upon.

I think that given a season or two, Zoran could as well become a very valuable asset to most teams (at least in rotation). Don't underestimate him just because you don't know him and you checked up some stats on internet. Not to mention that Zoran plays at least 50% better when alongside his "big brother", it's like Goran has some special aura that affect Zoran A LOT.

[gaspar]

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[SunsFanSSOL]

Again I agree.


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This. But it's a no-brainer if you're the suns you offer him a spot. It means Dragic may stay for cheaper, and you can waste an end of bench spot for a guy like that, so long as he isn't eating real minutes away from our higher upside players.

You guys are seriously underestimating Zoran Dragic. True, he's not a All-star material (probably), then again, neither was Goran 2 years ago. Zoran is a different kind of player, he's a hustler (huge one), no ball is ever lost for him, he's tireless in defense (i'd say he has potential to be a very high level defender) and stopped Harden at 0 points during USA-SLO game in 1st half (didn't play as much in 2nd). His shot also improved tremendously in last year and he can somewhat create his own shot as well. He might lack some muscles to go all-in for a layup, but that's something that can be worked upon.

I think that given a season or two, Zoran could as well become a very valuable asset to most teams (at least in rotation). Don't underestimate him just because you don't know him and you checked up some stats on internet. Not to mention that Zoran plays at least 50% better when alongside his "big brother", it's like Goran has some special aura that affect Zoran A LOT.

So he's a dime a dozen in the D-League. Why pay an unnecessarily large amount to buy him out of his contract when we can pay someone < $500k to do the exact same thing? And on top of that I wouldn't be surprised if Jeff felt obligated to play him over Archie in order to appease Goran. I'm not a fan of bringing on subpar players just to please our best player, we're not Cleveland.

[batsmasher]

So he's a dime a dozen in the D-League. Why pay an unnecessarily large amount to buy him out of his contract when we can pay someone < $500k to do the exact same thing? And on top of that I wouldn't be surprised if Jeff felt obligated to play him over Archie in order to appease Goran. I'm not a fan of bringing on subpar players just to please our best player, we're not Cleveland.

A dime a dozen in the D-League? Yikes. He'd comfortably be the best player in the D-League if he had a season there.

I would be surprised if Jeff felt obligated to play him over Archie seeing as the whole reason the Suns turned heads last season was because everyone knew their role and fought for their minutes. Absolutely no-one last season got a minute they didn't earn.

[thamadkant]

The future of the Suns back court is Bogdanovic, Goodwin, Thomas. Dragic obviously... a "now" player... Bledsoe is unfortunately not happy with Suns so sign and trade at 12-13 million to a team he likes is what I feel will happen.