Official Trade Thread: How to Trade Your Dragon

[bwgood77]

@JimmySpencerNBA: I’m getting the strong sense the Kings are going to do anything they can to make this Dragic deal happen.

ANYTHING, YOU SAY?

I'd be totally cool getting mclamore for goran. Might be the best trade out there.

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I'd want more than that, but at least we would then end up with McLemore AND Len after all. I think a Bledsoe McLemore backcourt could be exciting.

[Revived]

Bill Simmons: God bless the Suns — one of my favorite League Pass teams, one of my favorite front-office reclamation stories and our best night-to-night threat for Artest Melee 2.0 because everyone on this team carries themselves like Bruno on Real World. They have a bright future no matter how this plays out. But holy hell did they screw this Goran Dragic thing up. I voted him second-team All-NBA last season after he mastered a devastatingly effective slash-and-kick game in Jeff Hornacek’s fan-friendly offense. Last summer, they kept Dragic and Eric Bledsoe, signed Isaiah Thomas, drafted Tyler Ennis AND kept Archie Goodwin. Five point guards? That’s ridiculous. I mean, if Grantland had extra spots for writers, would we keep adding more and more NBA writers while ignoring all the other sports? You’re right, bad example. But any strategy that ends with the best Phoenix point guard of all the Phoenix point guards saying “get me out of here” just couldn’t have been handled correctly.

If I were Phoenix, I would dump Thomas for an expiring and second-round picks from Boston (the Celts have been circling him for two weeks), Detroit or Washington, then do everything I could to make up with Dragic — even if it meant signing Dragic’s nemesis, Sasha Vujacic, then forcing Vujacic to carry everyone’s bags on road trips and participate in gimmicks for home games like Sasha Vujacic Human Piñata Night. Save the Dragic relationship, Phoenix. Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don’t make. (Just ask Golden State.)

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[bwgood77]

I find it insane that part of Dragic's frustration is that the Suns will not play his brother. Is he out of his mind? Screw off man. Plus his brother refuses to go to the D-League. Who do you think you are. Your brother should not be on the team in the first place. I guess giving him like two million dollars for doing absolutely nothing is not good enough. These athletes egos are out of control. Good riddance Goran and Zoran.

Where was it reported that he said this? I know some speculated here that it could have made him mad, but I haven't seen Goran say it or anyone report that he was upset by it.

[Christine-In-AZ]

Do "we" really believe Dragic is going to get 20 million a year?

A week ago, mentions of 15 or 16 million were considered doubtful by so many. That one "source" that had LA offering 80 million sure carried a lot of weight I guess.

I'd still bet 15 or 16m is going to be the number in July.

I thought teams...especially team like the Lakers & the Knicks were targeting (saving their cap space) for FA Summer '16.

[Calvin Klein]

I find it insane that part of Dragic's frustration is that the Suns will not play his brother. Is he out of his mind? Screw off man. Plus his brother refuses to go to the D-League. Who do you think you are. Your brother should not be on the team in the first place. I guess giving him like two million dollars for doing absolutely nothing is not good enough. These athletes egos are out of control. Good riddance Goran and Zoran.

Where was it reported that he said this? I know some speculated here that it could have made him mad, but I haven't seen Goran say it or anyone report that he was upset by it.

Exactly. It's all just speculation.

[MilotheSlayer]

Phx in: Cousins, REvans, Stauskas
Char in: DWilliams, Bullock, phx 1st
Sac in: Dragii, Morrii, Lance

Sac can compete now, Phx gets our stud, Char get potential for Lance.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Gambo tweeting he would keep Goran and offer him a max. Yikes

One big concern I have in keeping him is just how awkward the last 30 game this year would be. Do we really want a guy who's publicly said he doesn't want to be here around this team for the next two months? Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

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[bwgood77]

Not trading Dragic does make sense and it is the only way to preserve leverage. We hold his bird rights and can execute a sign and trade if need be. Trading him for cents on the dollar, right now, puts us in a bad position going forward depending on the packages out there. If the right deal isn't there, sit on it. He says he wants to be in a position like Curry? Well, Curry has Thompson. Give Goran more of a ball handler role in the offense and shift Bledsoe over. If it doesn't work, use your sign and trade in the offseason, but it's the best shot right now.

If the deals are crap, I'd consider this, because someone may offer him the 5 year deal in a S&T max deal if there is a bidding war. Obviously there is a big risk to losing him for nothing. But nothing is better than crap or long contracts that don't help the team. At least you get the cap space.

[Sunsdeuce]

Things I have noticed:
1) Lakers think they are going to wait for the off-season to sign Goran (without having to trade for him). Good luck with that.
2) Gaining Teaming (through trade gets his birdrights) which means 5 years and a lot more guaranteed money for Goran which is very appealing to Goran. That is huge because this will be Goran's last big contract.
3) There are a number of teams that want him and some want him bad.
4) Houston basically got punked but still have interest.
5) Suns still in a good position to get some decent assets.
6) We just want this mess to be over with very soon. But it may be smart to wait till the last minute, thus forcing the best offer on the table. If teams are fighing over getting him, you make it like Pawn Stars, have them over bid.

[AZWildByNature]

Gambo tweeting he would keep Goran and offer him a max. Yikes

One big concern I have in keeping him is just how awkward the last 30 game this year would be. Do we really want a guy who's publicly said he doesn't want to be here around this team for the next two months? Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

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Gambo is an idiot....

[JTrain]

Cry me a **** river. Dragic is not the only player in the league, or even on this team, who has to play out of his comfort zone. Durant has to play off the ball for long stretches, Tucker has to guard players like Z-Bo, Griffin or Big Al on a regular basis etc. But they don't act like an entitled, spoiled brats and don't ask for a trade in the most disgusting manner like Dragic just did. They understand that basketball is a team sport and sometimes you have to take one for the team. Dragic doesn't.

Selfish, greedy, rat faced biznatch.

Why exactly was it "in the most disgusting manner"? Do you have video of the meeting?

He didn't go on Twitter or some other public forum and complain or throw individuals under the bus like many athletes have done in the past. He is going into free agency and his agent met with Babby and McD to inform them he won't be re-signing here.

What would be an appropriate way to convey this for you? Inviting all the FO and coaching staff to a Cheesecake Factory and watching his Suns highlight compilation set to Celine Dion music?

[RaisingArizona]

I still think Dragic's decision to play this past Summer for Slovenia directly led to his massive drop off this season.

Me and you, buddy. Everyone else thought it was the absence of Frye.

[Revived]

I just find it funny that many here are trying to down Dragic saying he isn't that good or whatever and yet EVERY team's forum and every team media person is posting or tweeting their dream scenario about trying to land Dragic.

Lol yea he must be so bad that the rest of the NBA is trying to acquire him!

[bwgood77]

What about...

Thompson, Williams, Stauskas, McCallum, 1st 2017 for Goran&Zoran, Plumlee and Green

Green is leaving anyway, and you balance the roster with that move.

Bledsoe-Ennis-McCallum
Goodwin-Thomas-Stauskas
Tucker-Bullock-Warren
Morris-Morris-Williams
Len-Thompson-Wright

Depends on how long those contracts go. The Suns don't want long term contracts of non difference makers. I think they liked Stauskas in the draft, and although he isn't playing well, many players don't play well as they adapt to the speed of the game. But our scouting may have decided he won't make it in the league. Most of the rest other than the pick is just crap that doesn't help much. Thompson isn't bad for depth, and if his contract doesn't last too long, that would be the only way.

[No-Man]

Best trade partners remain Sacramento and Indiana.
Indiana looks iffy because they play another brand of bb that might not fit well with Goran, but they clearly need the talent and they might change some things next season, they can offer their 1st this season, Solomon Hill and expirings.
Sacramento can offer their 1st in 2017, Stauskas, Williams or Thompson and McCallum.

NY has nothing, Hardaway is crap and the first 1st they can trade is 2018, LA has Hill, Sacre, Black, Kelly, Clarkson and Rockets 1st, they are not trading Randle or changing the protection of their pick.
It makes no sense to any of those two teams to increase their chances of getting a worse pcik by trading for Dragic, when they are at the top of his list and they can lure him with an 80m$ max this summer, not gonna happen.

Houston wants him, but wants Dragic to do some things that Goran doesnt want to, he wants the Harden role, and he is not going to get it, they have a lot of assets, but I dont think they are a viable option.

Miami has nothing, first 1st they can trade is 2017, and the only prospect they have is Whiteside, who is a UFA in 2016.

I will go with Sacramento probably if I am Phoenix, they seem the most desperate team, and Dragic might commit there because they can actually offer him the main role as the general of the team and a system that fits him with Karl there.

Thompson, Williams, Stauskas, Sacto 2017 1st for Goran&Zoran and Plumlee.
With Green and McCallum going to another team and getting you a 1st in the process.

That kind of works.

Boston might be a good partner. They have a ton of picks, a few decent bigs, and defensive guards. Not sure what the package would be, but they might be able to offer the most if Dragic will play there.

Goran wont give them a chance they are too far from competing and there is not many starts out there for them to trade for, unless they get more piece than Dragic soon, their timeline doesnt fit with Dragic's age, their core is too young.
And they are trying to develop Smart as a lead guard.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Not trading Dragic does make sense and it is the only way to preserve leverage. We hold his bird rights and can execute a sign and trade if need be. Trading him for cents on the dollar, right now, puts us in a bad position going forward depending on the packages out there. If the right deal isn't there, sit on it. He says he wants to be in a position like Curry? Well, Curry has Thompson. Give Goran more of a ball handler role in the offense and shift Bledsoe over. If it doesn't work, use your sign and trade in the offseason, but it's the best shot right now.

If the deals are crap, I'd consider this, because someone may offer him the 5 year deal in a S&T max deal if there is a bidding war. Obviously there is a big risk to losing him for nothing. But nothing is better than crap or long contracts that don't help the team. At least you get the cap space.

you can't do 5 yr sign and trades anymore. They were outlawed in the current CBA.

suns need to trade him today

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[bwgood77]

Why does every fan want to give up their 2017 pick? We want a 2015 Pick!!!!!

I wouldn't mind a later pick, with all the picks and young guys we have. But if we trade 4-5 guys then the 2015 pick would be ok.

[SSOL]

It is NOT a dumb move to keep him. It is a dumb move to keep him and not move Thomas between now and tomorrow.

[Saberestar]

What about...

Thompson, Williams, Stauskas, McCallum, 1st 2017 for Goran&Zoran, Plumlee and Green

Green is leaving anyway, and you balance the roster with that move.

Bledsoe-Ennis-McCallum
Goodwin-Thomas-Stauskas
Tucker-Bullock-Warren
Morris-Morris-Williams
Len-Thompson-Wright

No, thanks...Thompson? WILLIAMS?

[RaisingArizona]

I find it insane that part of Dragic's frustration is that the Suns will not play his brother. Is he out of his mind? Screw off man. Plus his brother refuses to go to the D-League. Who do you think you are. Your brother should not be on the team in the first place. I guess giving him like two million dollars for doing absolutely nothing is not good enough. These athletes egos are out of control. Good riddance Goran and Zoran.

Where was it reported that he said this? I know some speculated here that it could have made him mad, but I haven't seen Goran say it or anyone report that he was upset by it.

Exactly. It's all just speculation.

Traxee said it.