The Boogie Watch

[bwgood77]

Like I mentioned in the trade thread, we taking Boogie AND Butler.

Everyone thinks we gotta trade every pick until 2050. Nah... Bender/2017 1st and Heat 1st is a legit offer. Warren and Len is the cherry on top. Boston has picks, but they don't got players (assets) to trade.

The thing with Boston is we are right on that level when it comes to trad-able assets. I keep seeing people mention the Brooklyn pick, but even the Celtic fans will tell you (and have been telling people), just because they have that pick doesnt mean they would be willing to trade that pick. I mean its currently the #1 pick in the draft.

Ive been reading all these Cousins to Suns threads all over RealGM, and the same thing keeps getting brought up, Celtics could make a better offer. And in those same threads, you see Celtic fans say, yeah, we probably could, but we wont, as that #1 draft pick aint going anywhere. So once you take that draft pick out of their trad-able assets, i think we have them beat, as i think we would trade the #2 pick, no problem.

And trading our pick would be stupid too. We could easily get #1 and keep our core instead of trying to compete with the Warriors with Bled, Booker (who would likely have to be traded anyway), Tucker, Boogie and Chandler.

It's ridiculous to trade away all these young assets and a super high pick in a super deep draft for a headcase that could leave in a year. I don't know that he would, but he could. What if Bledsoe got injured again? We are so far out we NEED to build from within. He's a thug and a guy who is not even a good enough player to get his team to the playoffs or even get close...where has he gotten them...30 wins?

[bwgood77]

What doesn't make sense is Sacramento sending Cousins to us, helping us win 5 extra games and giving them pick 11 instead of pick 3 this draft.

Surely they'd be better off doing the deal post season to ensure they got a top 3 pick to get Fultz / Ball / Smith.

Yeah, it's likely all BS. I'm sure we offered that crappy package at some point, and then we get breaking news that Gambo knows, and that he wants to play with Wall or Bledsoe. This is likely BS. I could be wrong. I have been before. It wouldn't be the first time. It would be the third.

[bwgood77]

Question. Boogie was paired with Rudy Gay who is arguably much better than Booker. Do we think that Bledsoe makes the difference and finally gets Boogie to the playoffs?

Not this year. Not only are we seven games out, but every other team is ahead of us and can make a run too. Sac was just on like a 5 game losing streak and we stink too.

[bwgood77]

If we can get Cousins for a lopsided deal we have to do it, but I still feel like, absent Vlade acting like a moron (and I fully believe he is a moron as a GM), the best way for us to build is to continue to add to our core with younger guys. I would rather keep TJ, draft Ball or Fultz, and keep our picks/Chriss/Bender. This trade has to be measured relative to what is given up.

I am not sure a team of

Bledsoe
Booker
Tucker
Chriss (if he's left)
Cousins

has a chance in hell of contending. I think a team of

Bledsoe, plus Fultz/Ball
Booker
Warren
Chriss and Bender
Len or another center

has a chance to contend down the line. We'd have extra picks to plug holes without eating up cap space, and the cap space to go out and sign a star if one does decide to leave his current team in FA.

Yes, second option any day and every day. When you have the top teams in our conference, and can get a guy like Boogie who can't lead a team to the playoffs, what makes people think he can help us compete with these top teams now?

That second lineup could be great in 3-5 years and start to flourish.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Didn't Gambo say Sacramento had absolutely nothing we wanted (about 3 weeks ago?).

McDonough will be on his show tomorrow.

[bwgood77]

Didn't Gambo say Sacramento had absolutely nothing we wanted (about 3 weeks ago?).

McDonough will be on his show tomorrow.

Yes, but their ratings were probably down.

[Qwigglez]

Yeah trading Booker makes zero sense. We wouldn't do that. That's like saying the Wolves would trade KAT for Cousins, or the Knicks would trade KP for Cousins. We wouldn't have to include Booker to get Cousins.

[batsmasher]

I would totally trade Book for Boogie and I'd be disappointed if anyone agreed with me.

[Jdiddy701]

We need Sacramento to continue losing to pull the trigger. Also, Sacramento next game vs Phoenix this Friday. We need Len and Warren to have career games.


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[Gorilla Warfare]

Boogie on this team would give me a tumor.

[grumpysaddle]

I'd be all for Cousins if we can also get Butler and Wall somehow without also giving up Booker.

Wall/Booker/Butler/Cousins/Chandler. :drool:

However, if Cousins is the only star coming in, nah. He gets zero respect from the refs already. On the Suns he'd be fouled out in the first 6 minutes every night. With the other star players, absolutely though.

[bwgood77]

I'd be all for Cousins if we can also get Butler and Wall somehow without also giving up Booker.

Wall/Booker/Butler/Cousins/Chandler. :drool:

However, if Cousins is the only star coming in, nah. He gets zero respect from the refs already. On the Suns he'd be fouled out in the first 6 minutes every night. With the other star players, absolutely though.

I'm quite sure it would be easy to get Boogie, Wall and Butler without giving up Booker.

[grumpysaddle]

I'd be all for Cousins if we can also get Butler and Wall somehow without also giving up Booker.

Wall/Booker/Butler/Cousins/Chandler. :drool:

However, if Cousins is the only star coming in, nah. He gets zero respect from the refs already. On the Suns he'd be fouled out in the first 6 minutes every night. With the other star players, absolutely though.

I'm quite sure it would be easy to get Boogie, Wall and Butler without giving up Booker.

Hey. A dude can dream, can't he?

[King4Day]

I think if we did get Cousins and added him to Bledsoe and Booker, we'd see significant improvement. Remember, one of the biggest issues in Sacramento is that they have no PG's.
So Bledsoe is already a borderline allstar and would be a major improvement over anyone Cousins have ever played with.
He's also never had a Vet like Chandler with Championship experience.
He's also have a players coach who I'm sure he would like.

Cousins won't suddenly fall in line but he's have a better platform to display his abilities and likely push us into the playoffs next year.

Regarding Butler...that's not happening. And neither is Wall unless we completely blow this thing up. I'll take Bledsoe with Booker and change than Wall and a thin bench.

[alldayeveryday]

I'm actually going to the game on Friday in Sacramento. Funny thing I was telling a few of my co workers (In November) how funny would it be if Boogie was traded to Phoenix before they meet for this game. One can only dream!

[bwgood77]

Yeah trading Booker makes zero sense. We wouldn't do that. That's like saying the Wolves would trade KAT for Cousins, or the Knicks would trade KP for Cousins. We wouldn't have to include Booker to get Cousins.

Would you trade him straight up for him, no other assets involved?

[Qwigglez]

Yeah trading Booker makes zero sense. We wouldn't do that. That's like saying the Wolves would trade KAT for Cousins, or the Knicks would trade KP for Cousins. We wouldn't have to include Booker to get Cousins.

Would you trade him straight up for him, no other assets involved?

Straight up, the value wise is fair IMO. If Cousins was inked for three more years than yes. But since he's going to a free agent I'd say no.

[Qwigglez]

Wake me up in three weeks guys. I'll be on Mt Hood, going to freeze myself. I'll send you my coordinates. Unfreeze me on February 23rd.

[bwgood77]

Yeah trading Booker makes zero sense. We wouldn't do that. That's like saying the Wolves would trade KAT for Cousins, or the Knicks would trade KP for Cousins. We wouldn't have to include Booker to get Cousins.

Would you trade him straight up for him, no other assets involved?

Straight up, the value wise is fair IMO. If Cousins was inked for three more years than yes. But since he's going to a free agent I'd say no.

It's fair based on performance, but not based on popularity of Booker, how long we hold is rights, the fact he loves it here with his best friend Ulis, we are better served to compete in 2-3 years with more young talent with even more good picks after that, and Boogie being a free agent soon.

[Qwigglez]

Would you trade him straight up for him, no other assets involved?

Straight up, the value wise is fair IMO. If Cousins was inked for three more years than yes. But since he's going to a free agent I'd say no.

It's fair based on performance, but not based on popularity of Booker, how long we hold is rights, the fact he loves it here with his best friend Ulis, we are better served to compete in 2-3 years with more young talent with even more good picks after that, and Boogie being a free agent soon.

Really, I don't mind which direction we go. If we don't get Cousins then we stay the course and suck for another couple years. I don't mind. If we wanted to trade our assets to push for the playoffs next year I'm down for that too.
You really don't believe next year we'd be a top 3 team in the West with Bledsoe/Booker/Cousins and whoever else we can sign in the offseason? Maybe go after Gallinari, Hayward, or even Bojan Bogdanovic who seems to be a decent catch and shoot player.