Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion 3: About Last Knight

[BobbieL]

Making Booker and Warren go against Tucker daily in practice is worth more then a late 1st.

#14-#21 pick in the draft for PJ or you sign try to sign him as a free agent.

For a contender, it's worth it.

I disagree with you on this. I'd take a 1st rounder of any sort over having Tucker for two more months of practice. Frankly I believe the whole notion that vets are so important for teaching young guys a bit overplayed. Coaches coach and players play. Sure it's good to have some vets like Barbs on the back of your bench to show guys how to act like professionals and I do see some use in having a vet pg who can get you into your offense but that's about it. Remember when Chandler was supposed to be some great teacher for Len? Heck if anything he's stunted his growth by taking minutes from him. Is PJ helping TJ Warren be better? If so he's doing a **** job of it.

You mention 14-21 as the range you want and sure of course that would be nice but the problem is teams picking in that range are probably not the teams that think PJ would make a difference for a title run. Teams 21-30 might. Heck PJ's real value is probably an early 2nd rounder and I would take that... but the problem is the teams who will have early 2nds are bad teams who aren't trading for PJ.

I agree - the teams wanting PJ do not have early seconds unless they made other trades and usually like aChris Anderson deal, those picks are so protected, the good teams never get them.

I am at the point where I don't give a crap the return value - its clearing cap, acquiring some assets and moving this sucker forward. Chandler, Knight - just way too much money for the wins the team is getting out of them. Tucker, last year of deal, let him go win.

Ryan needs to go big - maybe not Hennigan style with the Ibaka deal but he has to start making moves that give him a bit more to work with this summer
And quite frankly, I am tired of draft picks - team needs to get older, not younger

[SideSwipe]

Poeltl for Tucker is a good return. We would lose that vet presence, and his hounding defense, but Poeltl can play. Only his first year in and would be great insurance for Len/ Chandler. If Tucker goes out, Chandler probably needs to go too (maybe Dudley, Barbosa- though I doubt it). Then you have Len as RFA, and Poeltl on his rookie deal as protection against Len getting a godfather offer. Deal would need some salary matching. Poletl has a good chance to be a good PF/C combo. He is coordinated, and offensively oriented. He has a chance to play the baseline well offensively as the release valve for driving offenses since he can make that baseline move and has good touch around the rim. I think he would be great for PHX if you could help him keep his wind.

[Saberestar]

I do not like Poeltl...a Len 2.0? He just plays slowwwwww and can not defend anyone.

He probably will be decent in 2023 or something like that.

We are not in 1990. Pure centers, if they are not really game changers on defense, are useless in the current NBA.

[Asif16]

Is tucker injured? I just read on the raps board he's out for 6 weeks

[Villalobos]

I don't think the Raps realistically get Tucker unless they have a plan to shed some salary or their owner is willing to pay the tax. They're already going to be over the tax limit before re-signing Tucker.

Is tucker injured? I just read on the raps board he's out for 6 weeks

No. They might somehow be confusing him with Dragan Bender. Tucker just put up a 16 rebound double double last night. No reports of injury.

[carey]

If Ibaka is barely worth that, then I doubt Chandler and Tucker is landing us a 1st.
On the other hand, how valuable is our 2017 1st and the Miami picks?

Makes McD look like a genius for the Markieff trade last deadline. Wow.

Ibaka is an UFA. Huge difference between Markieff on his deal and Ibaka right now. I've said all along that because Tucker is a UFA we won't get much if we decide to move him.

[AtheJ415]

Have a fun thought. Would really depend if we like Mudiay at all and if Denver considers Bledsoe a star.

Bledsoe and Tucker for Mudiay, Murray, and Hernangomez

Then we draft Josh Jackson.

Mudiay, Ulis
Booker, Murray
Jackson, Warren
Chriss, Bender, Hernangomez
Len, Bender, Hernangomez

[bwgood77]

Mudiay's lack of a shot scares me, and I really am not sure about Murray. I haven't paid real close attention to him, but I didn't want him coming into the draft. He seems like a guy who thinks he's a PG that doesn't pass, but can be a decent scorer sometimes. Reminds me of someone else i get tired of watching.

Also, I'm sure you mean Booker in our remaining lineup instead of Bledsoe and will edit.

[carey]

Have a fun thought. Would really depend if we like Mudiay at all and if Denver considers Bledsoe a star.

Bledsoe and Tucker for Mudiay, Murray, and Hernangomez

Then we draft Josh Jackson.

Mudiay, Ulis
Bledsoe, Murray
Jackson, Warren
Chriss, Bender, Hernangomez
Len, Bender, Hernangomez

We'd have to throw in a 1st or one of Chirss/Bender to rip both Murray and Hernangomez. Drop one from the trade and it becomes a little more likely.

[TeamTragic]

Is tucker injured? I just read on the raps board he's out for 6 weeks

That would be Bender. Tucker is alive and well missing layups.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Sullinger for Tucker.

Swap Raps 1st (top 20 protected) with Suns 2nd.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Say nothing better is on the table come deadline day would you consider bruno caboclo from the raps for tucker. Hes the dude on draft night who they said 'was two years away from being two years away'. He still doesnt play and who knows maybe he just isnt an nba player but it would be kind of interesting to throw him out there for 20 minutes a night the rest of the season and see. Dude is only 21 and is long as hell.

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[phnart]

I still don't see the Suns making any major moves. This team is poised for the bottom of the barrel and that's what I believe they are gunning for.

[TeamTragic]

I still don't see the Suns making any major moves. This team is poised for the bottom of the barrel and that's what I believe they are gunning for.

Sadly I think you are right. Why make a move now at the deadline when we can package our draft pick/multiple players for a high impact trade in the offseason.

[GetYourPHX]

I still don't see the Suns making any major moves. This team is poised for the bottom of the barrel and that's what I believe they are gunning for.

Sadly I think you are right. Why make a move now at the deadline when we can package our draft pick/multiple players for a high impact trade in the offseason.

Yep. We're the second worst team in the league. We don't need to trade anyone. The tank is on no matter what we do.

No need to make the tank...

Tankier?

[LukasBMW]

I still don't see the Suns making any major moves. This team is poised for the bottom of the barrel and that's what I believe they are gunning for.

Sadly I think you are right. Why make a move now at the deadline when we can package our draft pick/multiple players for a high impact trade in the offseason.

Yep. We're the second worst team in the league. We don't need to trade anyone. The tank is on no matter what we do.

No need to make the tank...

Tankier?

9 games out of the playoffs with 26 games left.

We'd seriously need to go 21-5 to have a shot.

I hate losing, but it makes sense to aim for a 6-19 record the rest of the way and it would be stupid to play our vets into the ground. Letting Bledsoe and Chandler take back-back games off makes a lot of sense from here on out.

The worst thing we could do is start playing .500 ball and end up 7th in the lottery order.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

The sole question at the deadline is whether there is some asset useful to us which some combination of Bledsoe, Knight, Chandler, Tucker, Dudley, Barbosa and maybe Warren or Len can somehow unlock.

This comes to mind:

1. PHI trades OK4, SAC '19, several seconds for Bledsoe
2. CHI receives OK4, Knight; sends CHI '17 and add'l first (received from trading RoLo) to Phoenix
3. PHO receives Rondo, SAC '19, CHI '17, additional first, pile of seconds

[phnart]

I wonder what version of Brandon Knight we'll see once the trade deadline passes? He seems like a thin-skinned dude and constantly hearing you are basically worthless at every turn has got to be in his head. I don't expect much from him, or sadly, anyone on the team at this point, but once the deadline passes and he's still a Sun, will he get his game together at all? At one point, the local media was pimping him to be a potential team leader...how I miss those days.

[dremill24]

Sign me up for a Tucker for Siakam + 2nd deal

[Blackification]

I wonder what version of Brandon Knight we'll see once the trade deadline passes? He seems like a thin-skinned dude and constantly hearing you are basically worthless at every turn has got to be in his head. I don't expect much from him, or sadly, anyone on the team at this point, but once the deadline passes and he's still a Sun, will he get his game together at all? At one point, the local media was pimping him to be a potential team leader...how I miss those days.

As long as he is in a diff jersey idc what version we get. Ill be very angry if we dont trade either him or bledsoe this off season