2017 Draft Discussion Part 4: 3 Day Countdown!

Post #361 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:01 pm

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If Pacers get the #2 pick, would they take Jackson or Ball?

Who knows? But I doubt the Lakers give it up. The Pacers have zero leverage and no one else wants to risk giving up much for him since he said he is for sure signing in LA and any other team trading for him would be a one year rental.

So it would probably be something like the 28th pick, Clarkson, Nance and perhaps something else. But LA really needs to clear cap space so they'd HAVE to trade away a young player to do so. It will be interesting if they try to trade Russell though as Russell, Randle and George all have the same agent.

GeraldsGreenery · Post #362 » by **GeraldsGreenery** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:05 pm

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RaisingArizona · Post #363 » by **RaisingArizona** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:09 pm

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LukasBMW · Post #364 » by **LukasBMW** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:09 pm

Oh course the Knicks would ask for #4 + Booker.

That's actually not a bad starting point.

Replace Booker with a few other assets and pull that trigger.

How about a future top 5 protected pick + Bender?

TOO · Post #365 » by **TOO** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:11 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Oh course the Knicks would ask for #4 + Booker.

That's actually not a bad starting point.

Replace Booker with a few other assets and pull that trigger.

How about a future top 5 protected pick + Bender?

Thats a really bad trade for NY. Bender has done nothing and a protected pick? Thats no value for them.

Villalobos · Post #366 » by **Villalobos** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:15 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
matt131 wrote:

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If Pacers get the #2 pick, would they take Jackson or Ball?

Who knows? But I doubt the Lakers give it up. The Pacers have zero leverage and no one else wants to risk giving up much for him since he said he is for sure signing in LA and any other team trading for him would be a one year rental.

So it would probably be something like the 28th pick, Clarkson, Nance and perhaps something else. But LA really needs to clear cap space so they'd HAVE to trade away a young player to do so. It will be interesting if they try to trade Russell though as Russell, Randle and George all have the same agent.

The Pacers do have a bit of leverage, because if the Celtics or Cavs have better deals for PG (and Kevin Love by himself is way better than that crap) and PG tastes contention I doubt he'll bolt those teams to go to a crappy Lakers team. If the Lakers lose him right now to a great situation there's a good chance they don't get him at all.

JMac1 · Post #367 » by **JMac1** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:17 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
matt131 wrote:

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If Pacers get the #2 pick, would they take Jackson or Ball?

Who knows? But I doubt the Lakers give it up. The Pacers have zero leverage and no one else wants to risk giving up much for him since he said he is for sure signing in LA and any other team trading for him would be a one year rental.

So it would probably be something like the 28th pick, Clarkson, Nance and perhaps something else. But LA really needs to clear cap space so they'd HAVE to trade away a young player to do so. It will be interesting if they try to trade Russell though as Russell, Randle and George all have the same agent.

Yea, the Lakers are all over that future Ball train wreck. They can have non-penetrating in half-court Lonzo, and his loud mouth sorry ass wanted-to-be daddy. I wouldn't mind D-Lo as long as it doesn't involve Booker, Chris, Bender, and #4...I am cool with Miami and Bled and Warren going out; however, I still like TJ.

JMac1 · Post #368 » by **JMac1** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:19 pm

TOO wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:Oh course the Knicks would ask for #4 + Booker.

That's actually not a bad starting point.

Replace Booker with a few other assets and pull that trigger.

How about a future top 5 protected pick + Bender?

Thats a really bad trade for NY. Bender has done nothing and a protected pick? Thats no value for them.

So. Screw them and the Knickerbocker they rode in on. They are the ones with the issue, not us. We have to learn how to strong arm as well.

Post #369 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:19 pm

Villalobos wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
matt131 wrote:

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If Pacers get the #2 pick, would they take Jackson or Ball?

Who knows? But I doubt the Lakers give it up. The Pacers have zero leverage and no one else wants to risk giving up much for him since he said he is for sure signing in LA and any other team trading for him would be a one year rental.

So it would probably be something like the 28th pick, Clarkson, Nance and perhaps something else. But LA really needs to clear cap space so they'd HAVE to trade away a young player to do so. It will be interesting if they try to trade Russell though as Russell, Randle and George all have the same agent.

The Pacers do have a bit of leverage, because if the Celtics or Cavs have better deals for PG (and Kevin Love by himself is way better than that crap) and PG tastes contention I doubt he'll bolt those teams to go to a crappy Lakers team. If the Lakers lose him right now to a great situation there's a good chance they don't get him at all.

Well, yes, they may get better deals but not trades nearly worth his deal. Love would be a pretty good complementary player to Turner, though. However on their forum they seem to think Turner should play mostly PF and be next to a C so I don't know. I thought of him as a C.

They may want to go young too, but even if that's the case, they could trade Love later for some younger talent possibly.

But the Cavs would be risking a alot because after next year they likely don't have George either. I guess since they may lose LeBron next summer too they could just move on from a long term deal for Love.

TOO · Post #370 » by **TOO** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:25 pm

JMac1 wrote:
TOO wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:Oh course the Knicks would ask for #4 + Booker.

That's actually not a bad starting point.

Replace Booker with a few other assets and pull that trigger.

How about a future top 5 protected pick + Bender?

Thats a really bad trade for NY. Bender has done nothing and a protected pick? Thats no value for them.

So. Screw them and the Knickerbocker they rode in on. They are the ones with the issue, not us. We have to learn how to strong arm as well.

You're silly. :lol:

Saberestar · Post #371 » by **Saberestar** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:26 pm

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Yessss. Great to know that.

JMac1 · Post #372 » by **JMac1** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:28 pm

I don't see how the Lakers or Cleveland trade for George. The Laker are not giving up the two and the Cavs have nothing but Love (no pun) to give. It might have to be my fantasy,a four-way; where I am the only beneficiary <wink>....I mean we are the beneficiaries.

I think I might do a Butler deal though and keep Bledsoe, but only after talking to Blake..... otherwise take our time.

Post #373 » by **rsavaj** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:29 pm

JMac1 wrote:I don't see how the Lakers or Cleveland trade for George. The Laker are not giving up the two and the Cavs have nothing but Love (no pun) to give. It might have to be my fantasy,a four-way; where I am the only beneficiary <wink>....I mean we are the beneficiaries.

I think I might do a Butler deal though and keep Bledsoe, but only after talking to Blake..... otherwise take our time.

+1. if you're gonna go for Butler, you better pick a direction and stick with it, and that means going after Blake too

RunSunRun · Post #374 » by **RunSunRun** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:31 pm

The Love thing seems like total crap that is just piggybacking on that stupid Bill Simmons trade machine picture. Love makes zero sense for a rebuilding young team.

KP on the Suns would be a dream come true, so it will never happen. The Knicks, rightfully so, will ask for insane trade packages. #4 and Booker seems about right and we would never do that.

If Indiana gets #2 and drafts Ball... :lol:

The draft day pictures of Lonzo and his dad putting on Indiana gear would be glorious. It's unlikely to happen of course. Lakers have no reason to give up such a high pick as the Pacers have little leverage, but it would hilarious if it did happen.

MrMiyagi · Post #375 » by **MrMiyagi** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:38 pm

It's interesting that the reports of the Cavs having a taker for Love says it's for "a lottery pick." If we were trading the 4, wouldn't it be "a top 5 pick"? That would seem to suggest that we have a deal in place for a second lottery pick.

That is, if that reporting has any basis in reality.

Sreister · Post #376 » by **Sreister** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:40 pm

rsavaj wrote:
JMac1 wrote:I don't see how the Lakers or Cleveland trade for George. The Laker are not giving up the two and the Cavs have nothing but Love (no pun) to give. It might have to be my fantasy,a four-way; where I am the only beneficiary <wink>....I mean we are the beneficiaries.

I think I might do a Butler deal though and keep Bledsoe, but only after talking to Blake..... otherwise take our time.

+1. if you're gonna go for Butler, you better pick a direction and stick with it, and that means going after Blake too

Been saying this all day since I listened to the Podcast yesterday that he said it on. He sounded like he wanted to, too. Stuff like "they're young and it'd be nice to get in on that". If he could play the 5 for us, and can land Butler..something like

Warren + #4 + Mia Pick for Butler

That probably is a good place to start. Might have to throw in Bender or something. But running with

Bled/Ulis
Book/??
Butler/??
Chriss/Sauce
Blake/Chandler

Fill in some holes and that's a team we can run with and get in the top 4 in the West. Right?

BobbieL · Post #377 » by **BobbieL** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:40 pm

JMac1 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
matt131 wrote:

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If Pacers get the #2 pick, would they take Jackson or Ball?

Who knows? But I doubt the Lakers give it up. The Pacers have zero leverage and no one else wants to risk giving up much for him since he said he is for sure signing in LA and any other team trading for him would be a one year rental.

So it would probably be something like the 28th pick, Clarkson, Nance and perhaps something else. But LA really needs to clear cap space so they'd HAVE to trade away a young player to do so. It will be interesting if they try to trade Russell though as Russell, Randle and George all have the same agent.

Yea, the Lakers are all over that future Ball train wreck. They can have non-penetrating in half-court Lonzo, and his loud mouth sorry ass wanted-to-be daddy. I wouldn't mind D-Lo as long as it doesn't involve Booker, Chris, Bender, and #4...I am cool with Miami and Bled and Warren going out; however, I still like TJ.

Clarkson, Nance or Randle and the 28th pick for George seems like a deal that probably happens. Indiana doesn't have leverage - so they need to take what they can get. And that's pretty good value. Maybe future first rounder

But, if the Lakers have Ball - does that mean Russell is open for business. Meaning, Bled and the 32nd for Powell/Harris and the 9th pick from the Mavericks. Flip that pick for DRuss. Powell is on a pretty decent deal and along with Harris make the numbers work. If the Suns were to go that route

Frank Lee · Post #378 » by **Frank Lee** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:46 pm

How long before Melo finds his way into trade rumor land ?

JS22 · Post #379 » by **JS22** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:51 pm

LukasBMW wrote:Oh course the Knicks would ask for #4 + Booker.

That's actually not a bad starting point.

Replace Booker with a few other assets and pull that trigger.

How about a future top 5 protected pick + Bender?

Bender an a top 5 protected? I think NY would hang up the phone before even taking that call.

Any trade that doesn't involve Booker would probably have to include Chriss, Bender, the 4th, and 1 or 2 additional 1st round picks down the line.

LukasBMW · Post #380 » by **LukasBMW** » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:51 pm

Wish list:

Option A: Trade for KP if we can get him for #4 plus anyone not named Booker/Chriss.

Option B: Trade #4 for Butler (He's a top 10 player and he's locked up). Getting him for #4 allows us to also possibly sign a big name free agent.

Option C: Keep #4 and draft Tatum