Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

[BobbieL]

When asked Monday if Watson should have focused more on X-and-O style coaching compared to just unity and brotherhood talk, Booker disagreed. He believes the process goes together.

Booker and Watson’s relationship was displayed as one of the closest on the team, and it showed when they spoke of each other throughout this summer. Now, Booker will have to work through this situation with him not even turning 21-years-old until the end of this month.

“No, because I think they go hand-in-hand,” Booker said. “Coach Earl, he stressed with us love, brotherhood and something I believe in. If you know the story between me and Earl, he started out as my player development (coach). I wouldn’t be in this situation without him. He’s helped me every step of the way. He’s been a mentor to me, a motivator that I can go to and talk about anything. So, that’s a relationship that lasts for life and me and him have talked about that. And we understand that. Earl is the type of guy I want around my kids. I want to be around his kids, that’s family to me. Family lasts. That’s way bigger than basketball to me.”

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2017/10/23/16526580/fallout-from-shootaround-on-watsons-firing-bledsoe-leaving-the-team-phoenix-suns-nba

That just proves that Watson was a mentor not a coach. He remains close with the team.

right, he was a life coach, a philosopher but not a basketball coach. them not interviewing anybody after the 2016 season was a huge mistake. huge because they needed somebody to develop talent. not inspire them with talks like Norman Vincent Peale or somebody.

As for Sarver - just wish he would say - the budget is 5 bucks above the salary cap floor. you hear me ryan, five bucks and get the hell out.

but he is willing to spend one day; the next day, something stupid; the next day, something else. its his pattern

[WeekapaugGroove]

Bottom line bledsoe should have been traded and watson fired this summer. Doing it now is mismanagement and will cause diminished returns with both issues.



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[thamadkant]

Bottom line bledsoe should have been traded and watson fired this summer. Doing it now is mismanagement and will cause diminished returns with both issues.



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They did try to move Bledsoe... for Kyrie.

I think that held off any other trades...

and the season rolled on and Bledsoe is frustrated... he most likely wanted that Cavs trade to go through, but McD didnt want to send Josh Jackson.

[NavLDO]

Would anyone besides Dragic be opposed to trading Bledsoe for Dragic?

Yes. What has the 'oh so great Dragic'done since leaving the Suns...nothing. So all this talk about how bad this looks on McD, well, if these players were so 'great', they would've made something of themselves in better situations. So far, the disgruntled ones are O-fer--Kieff, Dragic, Goodwin...the only GOOD one is IT, and shockingly, he wasn't disgruntled. OK, I guess Marcus had done ok...but he's far from 'star' level.

Man, step away for a few days, and all goes to he!!...Watson is fired...wait, Heaven...anyway, now Bledsoe's crying...after THREE games?? C'mon. The problem was Watson. I hope Triano smartens up and runs this team like a pro tema should be run...by playing the best players, not the buddy-buddy system, or the pretty new rookie, JUST for the sake of playing him. I'm fine if JJ has earned his role, which it seems he has, but I wouldn't mind seeing Bledsoe traded for another decent PG, and a more experienced, traditional PF. But ultimately, we just need to make sure we get decent value for Bledsoe. But here's some ideas...sorry, I haven't looked at anyone elses, so these might have been suggested...but probably not, since mine are so horrifically bad.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yafulemv

Sure, we overpay for Conley for a few years, but at least we know we have a decent PG for a few years.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybgko9la

Again, we overpay a bit, but Reggie Jackson is ok for that amount. We also trade young players, hoping new 'environments' offer better career prospects...the get the 'better' vet, we get the 'better' youngster.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybjpvm3x

This one is especially 'stinky'--the LAL get Bled, BK, and Chandler, we get Clarkson (the prize), but take on Deng and Brewer.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y94syn77

D'Angelo for Bled, plus we get an expiring Booker for Chriss.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7czy8zv

Schroder for Bledsoe straight-up. We lose in talent, but gain in age, so it evens out. I'm wlling to take on Bazemore's bloated contract in exchange for BK's, but doubt ATL would go for that, even though they's save $3M per season.

[batsmasher]

Is the hair salon our version of the paper bag?

[TeamTragic]

Maybe they talked to Majerle and he said, "after the season"
or guys like Jackson and Van Gundy said No

Majerle would be perfect. However that bridge was burned when they hired Hornacek.

No, it was burned when they promoted assistant Lindsey Hunter instead of assistant Dan Majerle. Majerle immediately quit.

Which started the trend and we ended up with Hornacek. Terrible coach after terrible coach. Then Watson as a mentor which barely lasted a season.

[Saberestar]

Schroder is better than Bledsoe IMO. And younger, healthier and with a better contract. No way we can get him.

[Kerrsed]

Is the hair salon our version of the paper bag?

Read on Twitter

[Phystic]

Then we continue this discussion indefinitely. Dysfunctional franchise will be dysfunctional.

And this is perfect Sarver. The day they hired James Jones - Sarver said he was understanding how long it takes to win; it will be a process and he needs to be patience

But now, he is saying the team should go to the playoffs.

Sarver one thing does something and then next day does something else. It must be obnoxious in that building dealing with him

When I heard that comment about being .500 and making the playoffs this season my eyes widened. I think Sarver needs a therapist and clearly has poor judgement. That is just downright insane especially in the West.

Where did Sarver say that? I haven't seen that yet. What a ridiculous notion.

[bwgood77]

Bottom line bledsoe should have been traded and watson fired this summer. Doing it now is mismanagement and will cause diminished returns with both issues.



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At least it sounds like players like Bender and other young players will get more time. They might as well. Not sure why Chandler was playing so much.

Dudley can be our vet on the floor when we need one since he's back.

[GoCeltics123]

Read on Twitter

Ummmm, what's going on here? I'm not sure what we'd even offer.

I don't think that Montemayor is a legit source, but the Celtics can offer Smart or Rozier and a filler.

Check the trade machine, there is no filler.

They have Hayward($30M)/Horford($28M)/Irving($19M) taking the majority of the capspace, then the next 3 closest are Tatum/Morris/Brown (All making a bit over $5M), so once you take all those players off the table, then you really have no filler to make up for the other $10M that it would take if it was for Smart or $13M for Rozier.

Marcus Smart and Marcus Morris works in the trade machine

[bwgood77]

And this is perfect Sarver. The day they hired James Jones - Sarver said he was understanding how long it takes to win; it will be a process and he needs to be patience

But now, he is saying the team should go to the playoffs.

Sarver one thing does something and then next day does something else. It must be obnoxious in that building dealing with him

When I heard that comment about being .500 and making the playoffs this season my eyes widened. I think Sarver needs a therapist and clearly has poor judgement. That is just downright insane especially in the West.

Where did Sarver say that? I haven't seen that yet. What a ridiculous notion.

The day before or first day of the season he said he hoped they would compete for a playoff spot while addressing the team and that he would be very disappointed if they won 24 games again.

[bwgood77]

I don't think that Montemayor is a legit source, but the Celtics can offer Smart or Rozier and a filler.

Check the trade machine, there is no filler.

They have Hayward($30M)/Horford($28M)/Irving($19M) taking the majority of the capspace, then the next 3 closest are Tatum/Morris/Brown (All making a bit over $5M), so once you take all those players off the table, then you really have no filler to make up for the other $10M that it would take if it was for Smart or $13M for Rozier.

Marcus Smart and Marcus Morris works in the trade machine

If you had to put odds on every player in the NBA being traded to the Suns, Marcus Morris would be dead last. Below guys like Joakim Noah.

[TeamTragic]

Check the trade machine, there is no filler.

They have Hayward($30M)/Horford($28M)/Irving($19M) taking the majority of the capspace, then the next 3 closest are Tatum/Morris/Brown (All making a bit over $5M), so once you take all those players off the table, then you really have no filler to make up for the other $10M that it would take if it was for Smart or $13M for Rozier.

Marcus Smart and Marcus Morris works in the trade machine

If you had to put odds on every player in the NBA being traded to the Suns, Marcus Morris would be dead last. Below guys like Joakim Noah.

Traded and then waived. Not a big deal.

[bwgood77]

Marcus Smart and Marcus Morris works in the trade machine

If you had to put odds on every player in the NBA being traded to the Suns, Marcus Morris would be dead last. Below guys like Joakim Noah.

Traded and then waived. Not a big deal.

Well for sure if they DID trade for him, which they won't. This Celtics rumor stuff has to be incorrect.

[Saberestar]

Check the trade machine, there is no filler.

They have Hayward($30M)/Horford($28M)/Irving($19M) taking the majority of the capspace, then the next 3 closest are Tatum/Morris/Brown (All making a bit over $5M), so once you take all those players off the table, then you really have no filler to make up for the other $10M that it would take if it was for Smart or $13M for Rozier.

Marcus Smart and Marcus Morris works in the trade machine

If you had to put odds on every player in the NBA being traded to the Suns, Marcus Morris would be dead last. Below guys like Joakim Noah.

Not a problem at all, they can trade him to a third team.

I would love Ntilikina, but if it's not possible I would like to get Smart. He is a great defender and we need/want defense. Young enough and his contract next season can be similar to what Bledsoe is getting now.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Off topic but just saw alice cooperstown is shutting down... has the suns dumpster fire extended to surrounding businesses? Lol. That was my go to spot for a beer before games.

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[AtheJ415]

The problem with any bucks trade is getting salary back. I know some here probably still like Mirza, but he is overpaid imo so trading Tyson for him does little. It saves us $1 mil and doesn't shorten the duration of the contract. The only trade I can see working from Milwaukee is both Brogdon and Maker in the trade. Otherwise, I don't see how we wouldn't just offer Bled for Ntilikina and call it a day. I'd rather even throw in something extra for Ntilikina (even though we shouldn't need to) than do any of the Bucks stuff I see here. A late 1st in this draft plus Maker is crap for Bledsoe.

[bwgood77]

That would be funny if Bledsoe really was at a hair salon. I wouldn't want to be there either.

[AtheJ415]

I think at the end we trade Bledsoe for Frank, Kuzminskas, and Hernangomez with some minor move by NYK to get rid of the remaining 1.5 in needed salary before pulling the trigger.