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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#361 » by darealjuice » Wed Dec 5, 2018 2:14 pm

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This writer has it wrong..it happened in an earlier game...I think the Lakers game, or maybe the previous one...just making the rounds again. The fan insulted him first though. He didn't really insult the guy's income either but asked what his offer was.


What..? How is Sarver not in the wrong? Who cares who insulted who first? Also, If “insulting” Sarver is telling him to sell the team, then people should be doing it at every opportunity. He is one of the worst owners in professional sports and has done NOTHING but destroy a great franchise. I’d consider Sarver saying, “If that’s all you have I feel sorry for you” to a fan as far more of an insult. That fan just paid to watch your garbage product in the lower level, and you repay him by making fun of how broke he is?
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#362 » by bwgood77 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 2:22 pm

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This writer has it wrong..it happened in an earlier game...I think the Lakers game, or maybe the previous one...just making the rounds again. The fan insulted him first though. He didn't really insult the guy's income either but asked what his offer was.


What..? How is Sarver not in the wrong? Who cares who insulted who first? Also, If “insulting” Sarver is telling him to sell the team, then people should be doing it at every opportunity. He is one of the worst owners in professional sports and has done NOTHING but destroy a great franchise. I’d consider Sarver saying, “If that’s all you have I feel sorry for you” to a fan as far more of an insult. That fan just paid to watch your garbage product in the lower level, and you repay him by making fun of how broke he is?


It's an insult to say he'd offer $100 too. I just don't see what Sarver said as a bad deal. Offering a guy $100 for a pro sports franchise is dumb. All this "sell the team" stuff is a waste of time. He's not going to sell. It might just influence him to continue to make knee jerk decisions that don't build on continuity.
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#363 » by JDJ26 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 2:25 pm

Even if the Suns picked Doncic over Ayton he would be playing awful here too. The team culture is toxic and it's due to Sarver.

It might be time to send Sarver a financial message by not buying tickets and any Suns related merchandise. Let the arena look as empty as possible.
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Post#364 » by RaisingArizona » Wed Dec 5, 2018 2:31 pm

JDJ26 wrote:It might be time to send Sarver a financial message by not buying tickets and any Suns related merchandise. Let the arena look as empty as possible.

This! Stop going. Stop buying merch. Get this guy to sell because otherwise we're just spinning our tires in mud.
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#365 » by Fo-Real » Wed Dec 5, 2018 2:51 pm

Melton EARNED the next start. Okobo and Bridges have earned more time watching. Hell, even Bender should get more burn, NO MORE RYAN ANDERSON BRO!!! NO MORE!!!
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#366 » by Jarlaxle0204 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 3:08 pm



It's nice to see that Troy gets it. Hopefully some of the young guys hear what he's saying.
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#367 » by darealjuice » Wed Dec 5, 2018 3:36 pm

bwgood77 wrote:It's an insult to say he'd offer $100 too. I just don't see what Sarver said as a bad deal. Offering a guy $100 for a pro sports franchise is dumb. All this "sell the team" stuff is a waste of time. He's not going to sell. It might just influence him to continue to make knee jerk decisions that don't build on continuity.


You think he was seriously offering $100? Sarver is an idiot for even asking a fan sitting in the 20th row if he wants to buy a billion dollar sports franchise, he was obviously only doing it to look down on them.

Maybe it’s dumb and pointless, but what are fans supposed to do then? Just shut up and watch futily? There’s no “hitting Sarver in the pockets” when the league shares revenue. No one goes to games. No one I know watches them on TV, and ratings were already dropping last year before they somehow found a new way to disappoint. I can count the amount of Suns gear I see during the week on a single hand. Even diehard fans are starting to tune out. The already apathetic population of Phoenix gives even less of a **** now than ever.

The only continuity with Robert Sarver is mediocrity. He has been driving people away from this franchise since Day 1. Players, coaches, GMs, at this point even fans. He won’t hire the right people to do the job, and he wouldn’t trust them to do the job independently even if he did. It was easy to ignore back when we were good, but it’s abundantly clear that this franchise has slowly descended into toxicity since the day Sarver pinched his pennies with Joe Johnson. If we didn’t have so much evidence that Sarver is just a terrible owner with AZ roots, one might think he’s pulling a Bennett on us.
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#368 » by bwgood77 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 3:58 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:It's an insult to say he'd offer $100 too. I just don't see what Sarver said as a bad deal. Offering a guy $100 for a pro sports franchise is dumb. All this "sell the team" stuff is a waste of time. He's not going to sell. It might just influence him to continue to make knee jerk decisions that don't build on continuity.


You think he was seriously offering $100? Sarver is an idiot for even asking a fan sitting in the 20th row if he wants to buy a billion dollar sports franchise, he was obviously only doing it to look down on them.

Maybe it’s dumb and pointless, but what are fans supposed to do then? Just shut up and watch futily? There’s no “hitting Sarver in the pockets” when the league shares revenue. No one goes to games. No one I know watches them on TV, and ratings were already dropping last year before they somehow found a new way to disappoint. I can count the amount of Suns gear I see during the week on a single hand. Even diehard fans are starting to tune out. The already apathetic population of Phoenix gives even less of a **** now than ever.

The only continuity with Robert Sarver is mediocrity. He has been driving people away from this franchise since Day 1. Players, coaches, GMs, at this point even fans. He won’t hire the right people to do the job, and he wouldn’t trust them to do the job independently even if he did. It was easy to ignore back when we were good, but it’s abundantly clear that this franchise has slowly descended into toxicity since the day Sarver pinched his pennies with Joe Johnson. If we didn’t have so much evidence that Sarver is just a terrible owner with AZ roots, one might think he’s pulling a Bennett on us.


I agree he is a terrible owner but I liked that he finally embraced a rebuild after being in no mans land from 11-13. He just hired the wrong GM. But in hindsight it didn't seem like a bad hire given that he was under Ainge in Boston and seemed like a well spoken smart guy. Even the first coaching hire looked great as he overachieved with minimal talent, but then the GM made a bunch of odd changes in the offseason pissing off players, and he pissed off players ever year, whether it be the PGs, Morris twins, then sitting Bledsoe down the stretch, and Chandler....then bad trades (the Knight trade and the Chriss trade were both beyond awful) and horrible top 5 picks for the most part. Then hiring Watson and instead of firing him in offseason doing in 3 games into season.

The SSOL era he was made some bad choices too and overturned the GM and coaches too much then and then made terrible signings and then GM and FO hiring with Babby and Blanks.

I somewhat respect what Sarver tried to do by embracing a rebuild and giving a gm time, but I put most of the last 5 years on McD.

What he said to that fan wasn't ideal, but fans heckling him probably gets old and of course it wasn't a real offer but it was a dumb offer.

If fans could do anything it would be signing a petition to Silver for gross mismanagement of franchise. Now this is extremely unlikely to work, but if he really made a bad turn or big mistake in this day and age that was grossly inappropriate, perhaps the league would step in. But with our arena being in the bottom 3 of ticket sales and no expansion until 2025, there would be a very good chance we would move unless some Phx native had over a billion to spare.
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#369 » by darealjuice » Wed Dec 5, 2018 6:07 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I agree he is a terrible owner but I liked that he finally embraced a rebuild after being in no mans land from 11-13. He just hired the wrong GM. But in hindsight it didn't seem like a bad hire given that he was under Ainge in Boston and seemed like a well spoken smart guy. Even the first coaching hire looked great as he overachieved with minimal talent, but then the GM made a bunch of odd changes in the offseason pissing off players, and he pissed off players ever year, whether it be the PGs, Morris twins, then sitting Bledsoe down the stretch, and Chandler....then bad trades (the Knight trade and the Chriss trade were both beyond awful) and horrible top 5 picks for the most part. Then hiring Watson and instead of firing him in offseason doing in 3 games into season.

The SSOL era he was made some bad choices too and overturned the GM and coaches too much then and then made terrible signings and then GM and FO hiring with Babby and Blanks.

I somewhat respect what Sarver tried to do by embracing a rebuild and giving a gm time, but I put most of the last 5 years on McD.

What he said to that fan wasn't ideal, but fans heckling him probably gets old and of course it wasn't a real offer but it was a dumb offer.

If fans could do anything it would be signing a petition to Silver for gross mismanagement of franchise. Now this is extremely unlikely to work, but if he really made a bad turn or big mistake in this day and age that was grossly inappropriate, perhaps the league would step in. But with our arena being in the bottom 3 of ticket sales and no expansion until 2025, there would be a very good chance we would move unless some Phx native had over a billion to spare.


I put the last 5 years on both of them. Sarver's constant involvement in basketball operations is one of the worst kept secrets in the league. Sarver may have allowed the team to rebuild, but we've still seen reports of him ripping coaches, shouting in the background of trade discussions, and overall micromanaging the basketball operations team. Just this offseason he overruled acquiring SGA, who is currently starting point guard for the Clippers with best record in the West, and pushed for Mikal Bridges, our 3rd SF that never even worked out for us.

You're not going to get much defense of McDonough from me. McDonough may not have been a bad hire at the time, but you can guarantee there were more successful and experienced (i.e. more expensive) options that Sarver let pass. He struggled heavily with player relations, he was happy being the silver medalist in free agency, his draft history is shaky, and his trade record is pretty much garbage. He put together that surprise team on accident, but I'd also bet my left nut that Sarver wanted him to continue building on that flukey team instead of following through with a real rebuild.

There's a very easy path to not getting heckled for Robert Sarver, and it doesn't have to be selling the team. Show the fan base that this team isn't just his money printer. Spend some money on experienced, proven personnel at all levels instead of hiring the cheapest "up-and-coming" coaches, GM, PBOps, etcetera possible in hopes of striking gold. Keep his grimy mitts away from basketball operations unless he's handing players a contract, and stay far away from the practice court and locker room. Hell, maybe spend even some non-taxpayer money on a practice facility considering we're one of the few NBA teams left that still crams practices onto a single court like a small high school team.

It's his team, and he can run it how he likes, but there is going to be heckling, billboards, T-shirts, posters, Twitter rants, petitions, and everything in between until he gives the fan base a reason to have hope. Is it going to do anything meaningful? Probably not, but there's a chance that it makes him as pissed off and miserable as the fans that are paying to see the product he puts on the floor, and that's enough for some people.
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#370 » by bwgood77 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 7:24 pm

darealjuice wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:I agree he is a terrible owner but I liked that he finally embraced a rebuild after being in no mans land from 11-13. He just hired the wrong GM. But in hindsight it didn't seem like a bad hire given that he was under Ainge in Boston and seemed like a well spoken smart guy. Even the first coaching hire looked great as he overachieved with minimal talent, but then the GM made a bunch of odd changes in the offseason pissing off players, and he pissed off players ever year, whether it be the PGs, Morris twins, then sitting Bledsoe down the stretch, and Chandler....then bad trades (the Knight trade and the Chriss trade were both beyond awful) and horrible top 5 picks for the most part. Then hiring Watson and instead of firing him in offseason doing in 3 games into season.

The SSOL era he was made some bad choices too and overturned the GM and coaches too much then and then made terrible signings and then GM and FO hiring with Babby and Blanks.

I somewhat respect what Sarver tried to do by embracing a rebuild and giving a gm time, but I put most of the last 5 years on McD.

What he said to that fan wasn't ideal, but fans heckling him probably gets old and of course it wasn't a real offer but it was a dumb offer.

If fans could do anything it would be signing a petition to Silver for gross mismanagement of franchise. Now this is extremely unlikely to work, but if he really made a bad turn or big mistake in this day and age that was grossly inappropriate, perhaps the league would step in. But with our arena being in the bottom 3 of ticket sales and no expansion until 2025, there would be a very good chance we would move unless some Phx native had over a billion to spare.


I put the last 5 years on both of them. Sarver's constant involvement in basketball operations is one of the worst kept secrets in the league. Sarver may have allowed the team to rebuild, but we've still seen reports of him ripping coaches, shouting in the background of trade discussions, and overall micromanaging the basketball operations team. Just this offseason he overruled acquiring SGA, who is currently starting point guard for the Clippers with best record in the West, and pushed for Mikal Bridges, our 3rd SF that never even worked out for us.

You're not going to get much defense of McDonough from me. McDonough may not have been a bad hire at the time, but you can guarantee there were more successful and experienced (i.e. more expensive) options that Sarver let pass. He struggled heavily with player relations, he was happy being the silver medalist in free agency, his draft history is shaky, and his trade record is pretty much garbage. He put together that surprise team on accident, but I'd also bet my left nut that Sarver wanted him to continue building on that flukey team instead of following through with a real rebuild.

There's a very easy path to not getting heckled for Robert Sarver, and it doesn't have to be selling the team. Show the fan base that this team isn't just his money printer. Spend some money on experienced, proven personnel at all levels instead of hiring the cheapest "up-and-coming" coaches, GM, PBOps, etcetera possible in hopes of striking gold. Keep his grimy mitts away from basketball operations unless he's handing players a contract, and stay far away from the practice court and locker room. Hell, maybe spend even some non-taxpayer money on a practice facility considering we're one of the few NBA teams left that still crams practices onto a single court like a small high school team.

It's his team, and he can run it how he likes, but there is going to be heckling, billboards, T-shirts, posters, Twitter rants, petitions, and everything in between until he gives the fan base a reason to have hope. Is it going to do anything meaningful? Probably not, but there's a chance that it makes him as pissed off and miserable as the fans that are paying to see the product he puts on the floor, and that's enough for some people.


I'm far from a Sarver supporter and think he's one of the worst owners in the league, but many coaches that thrive in the NBA are first time coaches, like Stevens, Pop, Jackson, Riley, Jeff Van Gundy, Quin Snyder and Rick Carlisle.

Many retreads fail and if they usually are not available unless they already did.

I don't buy Gambo's report of the SGA thing.

He has often meddled which sucks, and pissed off refs, which sucked, and wouldn't extend Joe Johnson and all sorts of other things, but I still think the last 5 years are more on the failures of McD. It takes a patient owner to try and go through a rebuild. Not too many franchises really break it down like that. A few have tried to follow the OKC model but it has only worked for a couple of teams. But trying to compete with those aging veterans like Scola and Gortat was no fun.
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#371 » by thamadkant » Wed Dec 5, 2018 7:52 pm

Hesh wrote:I don't think anyone is saying Ayton is the reason why we're losing games, or that if we had Doncic we would be winning.

Everyone is just pointing out Ayton's major flaws, which is a big concern at the moment for a #1 pick who is the future of this franchise.

If he doesn't even look like he's trying out there, how are people suppose to react? Give him props for putting up some raw numbers that don't really mean jack, the epitome of empty stats.

Another thing he does which is annoying, is hold his hand up in the air too long after contesting a shot (or pretending to), rather than get back in position to be useful. He does this quite often lol, now I'm gonna be labeled as an Ayton hater. But, the ball is already at the rim, probably even at the bottom of the net, and he's still standing there with his hand in the air!!




Not trying has been a Huge issue for the team since like almost a decade now.

Just watching ex Suns players play hard and be good players for others is a good evidence of this.

This is a systematic problem as in the direction of the offense. I still think the team lacks a proper system. Igor has implemented an offense with more passing but the Suns still rely on pick and rolls and hot 3pt shooting to compete.

I don't mind a Suns team that grind defensively and score in the 80s or low 90s but hold the other team similarly. This reliance on Suns Nash style and inferior Warriors/Rockets style system without the proper stars is not a good plan.

Kings are actually closer to implementing a Warriors style system than the Suns because they can elevate defensively and make stops... It's like other teams are on another level when playing the Suns.

It takes hot shooting as in close to 50% at over 15 made 3s and a bad or below average game for the other team for the Suns to be competitive or win... Any other nights it's a blow out.
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#372 » by darealjuice » Wed Dec 5, 2018 8:01 pm

bwgood77 wrote:I'm far from a Sarver supporter and think he's one of the worst owners in the league, but many coaches that thrive in the NBA are first time coaches, like Stevens, Pop, Jackson, Riley, Jeff Van Gundy, Quin Snyder and Rick Carlisle.

Many retreads fail and if they usually are not available unless they already did.

I don't buy Gambo's report of the SGA thing.

He has often meddled which sucks, and pissed off refs, which sucked, and wouldn't extend Joe Johnson and all sorts of other things, but I still think the last 5 years are more on the failures of McD. It takes a patient owner to try and go through a rebuild. Not too many franchises really break it down like that. A few have tried to follow the OKC model but it has only worked for a couple of teams. But trying to compete with those aging veterans like Scola and Gortat was no fun.


Sure there are, but how many of those coaches were 1 or 2 years into their assistant coaching career before being handed a NBA head coaching job like Hornacek and Watson? Literally none. Everyone you mentioned had been a long-time assistant and/or head coach at the college level before taking the next step. I'm not saying hire a re-tread, I'm saying stop scraping the bottom of the barrel for every single position. Hell, an article came out today that we haven't even filled the majority of the positions that were vacated when they cleaned McDonough's people out. That's absurd.

Blame whoever. McDonough didn't do his job well, but it's a safe bet that Sarver had plenty of power in the decision-making process too. It's not like he had no say in every move we've made and McDonough orchestrated everything. They're both terrible.

It's not just Gambo reporting on SGA (and other trades). I get being skeptical, but we have 15 years of evidence that Sarver is the one really calling the final shots and 15 years of evidence that he sucks at it.
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#373 » by bwgood77 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 8:15 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:I'm far from a Sarver supporter and think he's one of the worst owners in the league, but many coaches that thrive in the NBA are first time coaches, like Stevens, Pop, Jackson, Riley, Jeff Van Gundy, Quin Snyder and Rick Carlisle.

Many retreads fail and if they usually are not available unless they already did.

I don't buy Gambo's report of the SGA thing.

He has often meddled which sucks, and pissed off refs, which sucked, and wouldn't extend Joe Johnson and all sorts of other things, but I still think the last 5 years are more on the failures of McD. It takes a patient owner to try and go through a rebuild. Not too many franchises really break it down like that. A few have tried to follow the OKC model but it has only worked for a couple of teams. But trying to compete with those aging veterans like Scola and Gortat was no fun.


Sure there are, but how many of those coaches were 1 or 2 years into their assistant coaching career before being handed a NBA head coaching job like Hornacek and Watson? Literally none. Everyone you mentioned had been a long-time assistant and/or head coach at the college level before taking the next step. I'm not saying hire a re-tread, I'm saying stop scraping the bottom of the barrel for every single position. Hell, an article came out today that we haven't even filled the majority of the positions that were vacated when they cleaned McDonough's people out. That's absurd.

Blame whoever. McDonough didn't do his job well, but it's a safe bet that Sarver had plenty of power in the decision-making process too. It's not like he had no say in every move we've made and McDonough orchestrated everything. They're both terrible.

It's not just Gambo reporting on SGA (and other trades). I get being skeptical, but we have 15 years of evidence that Sarver is the one really calling the final shots and 15 years of evidence that he sucks at it.


Yeah, I guess the two coaching hires under McD didn't have too much experience other than being a shooting coach or G league coach or assistant. Porter and Gentry had quite a bit of experience though.

The SGA stuff doesn't totally make sense, and as far as I know it's all coming from Gambo with others piggybacking off of him. I've never seen Bob Young report anything and I doubt he has much for sources so he's just rehashing Gambo stuff is my guess.
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#374 » by darealjuice » Wed Dec 5, 2018 8:59 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Yeah, I guess the two coaching hires under McD didn't have too much experience other than being a shooting coach or G league coach or assistant. Porter and Gentry had quite a bit of experience though.

The SGA stuff doesn't totally make sense, and as far as I know it's all coming from Gambo with others piggybacking off of him. I've never seen Bob Young report anything and I doubt he has much for sources so he's just rehashing Gambo stuff is my guess.


I don't think Porter had plenty of experience. He was an assistant coach for a year before being handed a HC job that he had ties to, got fired after leading them to a top pick, and eventually landed another HC only to quickly get fired again. He's basically Jeff Hornacek, and we were his Knicks.

I do agree Gentry had experience, and he was clearly the best coach we've had post-MDA. We decided to let him walk away because he couldn't turn a crap roster into gold though.

What doesn't make sense about it? Everyone knew the team needed a long-term point guard, and we were rumored to like SGA all offseason. Bob Young just came back to cover the Suns this year and works with The Athletic, I seriously doubt he's just throwing bull at the wall. And even if he was re-hashing Gambo, Gambo's been the mouthpiece for the Suns for years, and it'd make sense that his information on draft night would be wrong if Sarver was out there veto-ing trades and looking for last minute deals like the Bridges trade. I get it's fun to bash his **** opinions, but he's certainly more plugged into the franchise than any of us.
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Post#375 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed Dec 5, 2018 10:56 pm

I don't remember reading (m)any(?) comments about how terrible and useless Okobo was on both ends, throwing the ball away, unable to move the ball or defend anyone. It was all about Ayton (and my chirping about Melton).

I understand if we're tired of grousing about Jackson, but can we spare a bit for dat kid, Okobo? Dude was looking like rookie-season Dragic out there (not great)!
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#376 » by bwgood77 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 11:36 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:Yeah, I guess the two coaching hires under McD didn't have too much experience other than being a shooting coach or G league coach or assistant. Porter and Gentry had quite a bit of experience though.

The SGA stuff doesn't totally make sense, and as far as I know it's all coming from Gambo with others piggybacking off of him. I've never seen Bob Young report anything and I doubt he has much for sources so he's just rehashing Gambo stuff is my guess.


I don't think Porter had plenty of experience. He was an assistant coach for a year before being handed a HC job that he had ties to, got fired after leading them to a top pick, and eventually landed another HC only to quickly get fired again. He's basically Jeff Hornacek, and we were his Knicks.

I do agree Gentry had experience, and he was clearly the best coach we've had post-MDA. We decided to let him walk away because he couldn't turn a crap roster into gold though.

What doesn't make sense about it? Everyone knew the team needed a long-term point guard, and we were rumored to like SGA all offseason. Bob Young just came back to cover the Suns this year and works with The Athletic, I seriously doubt he's just throwing bull at the wall. And even if he was re-hashing Gambo, Gambo's been the mouthpiece for the Suns for years, and it'd make sense that his information on draft night would be wrong if Sarver was out there veto-ing trades and looking for last minute deals like the Bridges trade. I get it's fun to bash his **** opinions, but he's certainly more plugged into the franchise than any of us.


Porter was assistant for the Kings for a couple years, head coach of the Bucks for a couple of years and then assistant for the Pistons for a few years. So five years as an assistant coach and a couple has head coach. Kerr wanted him to instill defense into the Nash Suns and play more like the Spurs. The whole D'Antoni/Porter thing was Kerr having a disagreement with D'Antoni on how the team should play. Both have even said they wish they would have done things differently since then.

I've mentioned plenty of times why I don't believe the Gambo story about SGA. When I was reading the Athletic story I was thinking "I'm surprised Gina Mizell would write this BS" and then saw it was Bob Young.

I know a lot of people believe Gambo and probably also bought his "anonymous scout" stuff. The guy has been full of BS for a very long time. Heck, he tweets out WOJ's tweets about who is going in the draft on draft night as if they are his own.
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#377 » by bwgood77 » Wed Dec 5, 2018 11:45 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:I don't remember reading (m)any(?) comments about how terrible and useless Okobo was on both ends, throwing the ball away, unable to move the ball or defend anyone. It was all about Ayton (and my chirping about Melton).

I understand if we're tired of grousing about Jackson, but can we spare a bit for dat kid, Okobo? Dude was looking like rookie-season Dragic out there (not great)!


He played fairly well in his first 3 games of getting decent minutes hitting 5 of 13 3s (5 of 11 in first two games before going 0-2) and had 14 assists, then he started getting fewer minutes and didn't do as well and then went down to the G league for a number of games.

Upon returning, in his first game he went 8-12 and 3-5 from 3 for 18 points, 5 assists and 3 steals. In his next game he was ok...but in the last two not so good, especially going against Ball and then Fox.

He had the better #s and on/off then Melton until last night when Melton finally looked good last night when he came in when we were down by 30 or so and helped cut the lead when he was in and had his +24. So clearly based off the last game, Melton looks better. They were both expected to be raw which is why they are in the G league.

Much much higher expectations for the #1 pick in a loaded draft and the most ready 3&D wing in the draft with 4 years in college.
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#378 » by darealjuice » Wed Dec 5, 2018 11:58 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Porter was assistant for the Kings for a couple years, head coach of the Bucks for a couple of years and then assistant for the Pistons for a few years. So five years as an assistant coach and a couple has head coach. Kerr wanted him to instill defense into the Nash Suns and play more like the Spurs. The whole D'Antoni/Porter thing was Kerr having a disagreement with D'Antoni on how the team should play. Both have even said they wish they would have done things differently since then.

I've mentioned plenty of times why I don't believe the Gambo story about SGA. When I was reading the Athletic story I was thinking "I'm surprised Gina Mizell would write this BS" and then saw it was Bob Young.

I know a lot of people believe Gambo and probably also bought his "anonymous scout" stuff. The guy has been full of BS for a very long time. Heck, he tweets out WOJ's tweets about who is going in the draft on draft night as if they are his own.


He was the Kings assistant for 1 year, then got 2 years as Head Coach in Milwaukee before getting fired, 2 years in Detroit as an assistant, and like 50 games as the Suns coach before getting fired. 3 years as an assistant and 2 failed years as a head coach should not have gotten him the head coaching job of a 50+ win team. I have no doubt they wish they did things differently, you don't need hindsight to know Porter was a terrible hire.

Of course Gambo tweets Woj's tweets, he's literally the best in the business and Gambo is just a sports personality. Even beat writers retweet him half the time. And who cares whether it was Gina or Bob that wrote the piece, it's the same publication and Bob covered AZ Sports before Gina even worked in journalism. I don't know why you're acting like he's a random hack.

I'm really not going to argue with you over the validity of Gambo, but you're kidding yourself if you think he's been full of BS for a very long time. I don't even like him and I know you don't like him, but it's pretty easy to differentiate his opinion-based stuff (like the Doncic scout debacle) from what's actually coming from the horse's mouth. SGA had been linked to the Suns by far more people that just Gambo, it's really not as hard to believe as you make it seem.
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#379 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Thu Dec 6, 2018 12:17 am

bwgood77 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:I don't remember reading (m)any(?) comments about how terrible and useless Okobo was on both ends, throwing the ball away, unable to move the ball or defend anyone. It was all about Ayton (and my chirping about Melton).

I understand if we're tired of grousing about Jackson, but can we spare a bit for dat kid, Okobo? Dude was looking like rookie-season Dragic out there (not great)!


He played fairly well in his first 3 games of getting decent minutes hitting 5 of 13 3s (5 of 11 in first two games before going 0-2) and had 14 assists, then he started getting fewer minutes and didn't do as well and then went down to the G league for a number of games.

Upon returning, in his first game he went 8-12 and 3-5 from 3 for 18 points, 5 assists and 3 steals. In his next game he was ok...but in the last two not so good, especially going against Ball and then Fox.

He had the better #s and on/off then Melton until last night when Melton finally looked good last night when he came in when we were down by 30 or so and helped cut the lead when he was in and had his +24. So clearly based off the last game, Melton looks better. They were both expected to be raw which is why they are in the G league.

Much much higher expectations for the #1 pick in a loaded draft and the most ready 3&D wing in the draft with 4 years in college.


I get all that but don't you think Melton generally has LOOKED good? He's able to body up on the perimeter and get through screens, get his hands on loose balls, but also move through defenses with the ball, and shoot with confidence. It's not a stats thing, it's the game on the TV I thing involving my eyes and impressions. Melton's legit, and he's played better basketball than Okobo and a lot of other guys. We will play better if Melton plays, period.
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Re: Game 24: Sacramento Kings at Phoenix Suns, Tuesday, December 4th, 7PM MST 

Post#380 » by SwingMan1938 » Thu Dec 6, 2018 3:17 am

Allow me to pause a bit.

To all the Doncic knob polishers who consistently bag on Ayton on a game-by-game basis - the Mavs just got their asses handed to them by NOLA 132-106 (beaten every single quarter, as well), with Doncic pulling a monster 8 point, 4 board, 6 assist line on 2/8 shooting (1-4 from 3) out of his ass in the 22 minutes he was able to hang out there (and they were missing Smith Jr. tonight).

So - in all fairness, I want to hear some of the same criticism of Doncic from the aforementioned, or you all can kindly eat a bag of **** from now on concerning Ayton.

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