DarkHawk wrote:Ghost of Kleine wrote:darmani wrote:Why the hell would anyone want Mike Conley on this team?
Trading anything of value for a 32-years-old Mike **** Conley and his albatross of a contract is absolutely insane. He's massively overrated and overpaid, old as dirt and injury prone. Even though he played with a great bigman in Marc Gasol (and other very solid role players), the Grizzlies were never all that great. They fought for the #8 seed until the last game of the season almost every year. He's not a good leader and he doesn't inspire his teammates and the fans. He's literally the most boring player in the league. If Conley were a free agent this summer, he wouldn't get more than a 2yr/$25-30M contract. He's owed almost $70M... I'd rather trade for Lowry's overpaid, fat ass than Mike **** Conley. At least Lowry's contract will expire next summer.
The Jazz didn't want to trade a stinky turd known as Dante Exum for Mike Conley last February and some people in here want to trade OUR PICK PLUS MORE for him?! Unbelievable.
Whilst I of course respect your opinions man, I must disagree with your assertions on Conley and his value in terms with what he'd bring to our team.
First, 31 or not, He's still ( even after his injury been putting up near all star numbers. Check out his stats for this last season:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/conlemi01.html.
He's averaging- 21.1 points/ 3.4 rebounds/ and 6.4 assists. With percentages of: 2 point FG% 48.3/ 3 point % 36.4/ Free Throw % 84.1/ and a per of 21.5.
So he clearly would be an upgrade over anything that we currently have on our roster at the guard position.
Now which rookie guard in this draft ( with the exception of probably Morant) has the potential to produce close to those numbers in their first or 2nd year??
- Next, With respect to your concerns over him only being able to lead his team recently to around an 8th seed in the playoffs.
You really need to consider exactly how impressive that truly was, Given the mediocre roster that he's honestly had over the past few years.
Also, He accomplished this in the WESTERN CONFERENCE, The toughest conference in the entire NBA. That's obviously still impressive, 8th seed or not. When was the last time WE as a franchise even sniffed the playoffs???
- With respect to him being a poor leader and boring. I have to disagree, in that he's obviously a really good veteran leader IF again, he's able ( and has the reputation in the league) For leading his team consistently to the playoffs.
Also, it's a well known fact that he's got high characters and a great attitude. There's never been any reports of him being a malcontent or bad teammate, So he'd be a great influence on our young locker room obviously.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.grizzlybearblues.com/platform/amp/2019/5/3/18527960/value-of-mike-conley-part-iii-western-risers-los-angeles-phoenix-nba-trade-memphis-grizzlies .
Next, with respect to his injuries, yes he suffered a terrible injury (ACL), However Again, He's still been producing at near all star levels. As well as him leading his team (despite losing Gasol) to a better record than what we currently have.
- With respect to his massive Contract, He's only got two years before it expires, So that in itself helps negate any level of risk for us. As well as it allows us to ( by the numbers) move Warren and Jackson, OR Warren and Tyler Johnson.
But basically helps us clear up the congestion at the wing position. And better balance the roster too.
And also, His contract, When it becomes an expires, affords us upwards of 30+ million that we can use for the ridiculously loaded 2021 free agency.
Finally, with respect to using our pick, Pretty much the majority of trades that I've proposed, where offers with Warren/Tyler Warren/Tyler Johnson's expiring/ A pick swap ( contingent upon us not being able to draft or trade back up for Morant) and a future conditional first.
And again, in the event that we land outside of the top 3 or so picks, For us to still acquire Conley for a package of say.......Warren/Johnson's expiring/ Jackson ( and our lotto pick in this draft) for their unprotected lottery pick in next year's much deeper draft is easily a win for us prior to free agency.
And that's still not factoring in the close to 10 million in additional cap space acquired that we can add to our current 8-9 million for this summer's free agency.
Giving us close to around 17 million or so in cap space to use for a power forward and additional veteran roster additions.
So in those aspects, He absolutely has value to our franchise......Obviously.
I'm a fan of the idea but just don't see Memphis giving an unprotected 1st next year when (assuming it doesn't already go to Boston), it'll be extremely valuable.
You could be right man?...... ut the trade off is in theri h combination assets they'd be getting in return this draft, Without even returning a pick of equal or even lesser value.
Basically, IF our lotgo pick was involved, along with the Milwaukee pick and a future first( for example. They'd be getting a total of 3 first round picks, at least one being in the high lotto, a combination of young productive and talented players, and a large expiring.
Also the package we'd be sending them, along with moving Conley, Would give them a jumpstarted to their rebuild.
So even with the possability of the pick swap in 2020. The overall value would be pretty fair and balanced in my opinion.
But ultimately, it's going to be up to Jones and Bowers to get the deal done.
Personally though, if they refuse the pick swap in 2020 , then my offer would change to Warren/Jackson/ Johnson/ The Milwaukee pick and a top 10 protected 2020 pick. And that would be my final offer.
No lotto pick in this draft, But they'd still get great value in Warren, Jackson, Johnson's expiring and two first round picks.
And hopefully, Jones and Bowers can pull off something clever in order to get the deal done.
