2021 Playoff and Offseason Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS????

[King4Day]

Based on my quick reading of a CBA breakdown, it looks like extensions could have been negotiated at the beginning of last offseason. Contracts 3-4 years in length could be extended on the 2nd anniversary of being signed. I do like that 44, 25, 25 idea. It's essentially a 3yr/$90m deal except the last two years are only $25m, as opposed to $30m. Manageable

CP3 will get a bigger contract than that.

Do you think that the Knicks will not offer him $120M/3 years?

He is better than Jrue Holiday and he got $160M/4 years just a month ago.

I don't expect him to get 3@120.
Holiday is younger.
Paul still has that injury history too.

I expect he'll do maybe 35mil per. Whatever it is, it should give us a good cap break this coming offseason to (hopefully) help us net another piece, no matter how minor


I believe NY might offer him that but it depends on what he wants. If he just wants money, fine. Phoenix can, and will match that.
But if he wants a ring, I'm sure he'd be open to a small paycut (in comparison) which also allows him to be thousands of miles closer to his family.

[spanishninja]

$35mil per year is a bargain if it means we stay relevant in the west and will not have to look for a new starting PG anytime soon.

[matt131]

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Good for Monty. Seems like a genuinely good human.

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[spanishninja]

this is not the "actual" coach of the year award it seems. but i wonder how unusual it would be for the NBCA winner not also get the other award.

[Saberestar]

Based on my quick reading of a CBA breakdown, it looks like extensions could have been negotiated at the beginning of last offseason. Contracts 3-4 years in length could be extended on the 2nd anniversary of being signed. I do like that 44, 25, 25 idea. It's essentially a 3yr/$90m deal except the last two years are only $25m, as opposed to $30m. Manageable

CP3 will get a bigger contract than that.

Do you think that the Knicks will not offer him $120M/3 years?

He is better than Jrue Holiday and he got $160M/4 years just a month ago.

I don't expect him to get 3@120.
Holiday is younger.
Paul still has that injury history too.

I expect he'll do maybe 35mil per. Whatever it is, it should give us a good cap break this coming offseason to (hopefully) help us net another piece, no matter how minor


I believe NY might offer him that but it depends on what he wants. If he just wants money, fine. Phoenix can, and will match that.
But if he wants a ring, I'm sure he'd be open to a small paycut (in comparison) which also allows him to be thousands of miles closer to his family.

Holiday is younger...but clearly a worse player. And because he is younger he got a 4 year deal.

[bwgood77]

Is it possible for Chris Paul to accept his player option then negotiate 2 more years?

EG. 44, 25, 25

Doing the sums I think we have to dump Saric, but could keep Paul, Payne, Craig.

Paul 44
Booker 32
Ayton 13
Crowder 10
Bridges 6
Smith 4
Johnson 4
Carter 4
8 Players = 117

Payne 7
Craig 3
10 Players = 127

5 Minimums 10
15 Players = 137

NBAs extension rules are weird so someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that would be legal. And it would be the best for the suns cap sheet wise the next few years.

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I don't think that's legal, but it would be great if it is. Might be worth asking on the CBA & Business board. There are a few experts there.

[lilfishi22]

Based on my quick reading of a CBA breakdown, it looks like extensions could have been negotiated at the beginning of last offseason. Contracts 3-4 years in length could be extended on the 2nd anniversary of being signed. I do like that 44, 25, 25 idea. It's essentially a 3yr/$90m deal except the last two years are only $25m, as opposed to $30m. Manageable

CP3 will get a bigger contract than that.

Do you think that the Knicks will not offer him $120M/3 years?

He is better than Jrue Holiday and he got $160M/4 years just a month ago.

Certainly Knicks are a factor in CP3 flight risk. But I think the bigger factor here is that CP3 wanted to come to Phoenix, he wanted to play with guys like Bridges, Booker, Ayton and for a coach in Monty. We built something here, the #2 team in the league and with moves this offseason, we could improve. I get the allure of playing in NY and relative success they've had this season is a sign of things to come but is he really going to leave all this to play with Randle and RJ? It's not like he's leaving a super young team like the Thunder to go to one that's more ready to contend now, we're ready to play now.

“It certainly seems to me it’s hard to see him go somewhere else,” said Adrian Wojnarowski.

“He wanted to be there. He had to convince Phoenix a little bit that they were ready for him.”

On the small chance CP3 does leave, he'll take his $44m off our books and we'll have some money to spend.

[lilfishi22]

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Good for Monty. Seems like a genuinely good human.

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After reading his story a couple of years back, he's been through it all and for him to win this award, it's a show of his resilience, dedication and he's a deserving winner. 100000% he's a good human being

Monty's story about his wife's passing and being there for Ryan Anderson after his gf's suicide. The guy has been through it all
https://www.si.com/nba/2017/04/06/monty-williams-wife-ingrid-family-tragedy-spurs-thunder-pelicans

[darealjuice]

I can't see Chris Paul leaving after he reportedly wanted to come play here. There's just not much reason to go, we're already young and competitive. This season was very successful regardless of what happens in the playoffs, and I don't think expecting continued growth from guys like Book, Ayton, Bridges, Cam, and Stix is asking for much. We only had him for a month before the season started, imagine our guys getting a full offseason and actual training camp to work with him and learn from him.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Based on my quick reading of a CBA breakdown, it looks like extensions could have been negotiated at the beginning of last offseason. Contracts 3-4 years in length could be extended on the 2nd anniversary of being signed. I do like that 44, 25, 25 idea. It's essentially a 3yr/$90m deal except the last two years are only $25m, as opposed to $30m. Manageable

CP3 will get a bigger contract than that.

Do you think that the Knicks will not offer him $120M/3 years?

He is better than Jrue Holiday and he got $160M/4 years just a month ago.

Certainly Knicks are a factor in CP3 flight risk. But I think the bigger factor here is that CP3 wanted to come to Phoenix, he wanted to play with guys like Bridges, Booker, Ayton and for a coach in Monty. We built something here, the #2 team in the league and with moves this offseason, we could improve. I get the allure of playing in NY and relative success they've had this season is a sign of things to come but is he really going to leave all this to play with Randle and RJ? It's not like he's leaving a super young team like the Thunder to go to one that's more ready to contend now, we're ready to play now.

“It certainly seems to me it’s hard to see him go somewhere else,” said Adrian Wojnarowski.

“He wanted to be there. He had to convince Phoenix a little bit that they were ready for him.”

On the small chance CP3 does leave, he'll take his $44m off our books and we'll have some money to spend.

On the small chance CP3 does leave, he'll take his $44m off our books and we'll have some money to spend.

Just curious!

IF that were to actually happen, Do we ( theoretically) have any tangible or realistic targets we should pursue heavily?

I for my part would really push for Lowry in the event that we lose Paul ( ** Don't expect it to actually happen though). Not sure who we'd pursue that available after Lowry IF we lose Paul though either???

[Flying Colors]

Maybe we could trade rubio back

[lilfishi22]

On the small chance CP3 does leave, he'll take his $44m off our books and we'll have some money to spend.

Just curious!

IF that were to actually happen, Do we ( theoretically) have any tangible or realistic targets we should pursue heavily?

I for my part would really push for Lowry in the event that we lose Paul ( ** Don't expect it to actually happen though). Not sure who we'd pursue that available after Lowry IF we lose Paul though either???

That's probably who I'd like to bring in. He's certainly a step down from CP3 but I love the heart he plays with and I love that he takes and makes big shots. I still think Lonzo is a good young PG. Admittedly, I haven't looked at the FA list

[bwgood77]

Based on my quick reading of a CBA breakdown, it looks like extensions could have been negotiated at the beginning of last offseason. Contracts 3-4 years in length could be extended on the 2nd anniversary of being signed. I do like that 44, 25, 25 idea. It's essentially a 3yr/$90m deal except the last two years are only $25m, as opposed to $30m. Manageable

CP3 will get a bigger contract than that.

Do you think that the Knicks will not offer him $120M/3 years?

He is better than Jrue Holiday and he got $160M/4 years just a month ago.

Certainly Knicks are a factor in CP3 flight risk. But I think the bigger factor here is that CP3 wanted to come to Phoenix, he wanted to play with guys like Bridges, Booker, Ayton and for a coach in Monty. We built something here, the #2 team in the league and with moves this offseason, we could improve. I get the allure of playing in NY and relative success they've had this season is a sign of things to come but is he really going to leave all this to play with Randle and RJ? It's not like he's leaving a super young team like the Thunder to go to one that's more ready to contend now, we're ready to play now.

“It certainly seems to me it’s hard to see him go somewhere else,” said Adrian Wojnarowski.

“He wanted to be there. He had to convince Phoenix a little bit that they were ready for him.”

On the small chance CP3 does leave, he'll take his $44m off our books and we'll have some money to spend.

I seriously doubt he will go to NY, even if it was more money. He just finished making $120 million and while I'm sure he will want another nice contract, I think a chance to compete and potentially win a title is more important than top dollar. Plus he loves it in Phx and is close to his family in NY.

The only way I could possibly see it is if his family wants to move there and/or he sees NY as a better team than we were prior to his arrival (which, they are)....so he could look at it as being a better chance at competing. Especially in the weaker east.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Maybe we could trade rubio back

Admittedly, I'd be all for that in Paul's absence. But would he ever be willing to actually come back here after we shipped him off the way that we did?

[lilfishi22]

CP3 will get a bigger contract than that.

Do you think that the Knicks will not offer him $120M/3 years?

He is better than Jrue Holiday and he got $160M/4 years just a month ago.

Certainly Knicks are a factor in CP3 flight risk. But I think the bigger factor here is that CP3 wanted to come to Phoenix, he wanted to play with guys like Bridges, Booker, Ayton and for a coach in Monty. We built something here, the #2 team in the league and with moves this offseason, we could improve. I get the allure of playing in NY and relative success they've had this season is a sign of things to come but is he really going to leave all this to play with Randle and RJ? It's not like he's leaving a super young team like the Thunder to go to one that's more ready to contend now, we're ready to play now.

“It certainly seems to me it’s hard to see him go somewhere else,” said Adrian Wojnarowski.

“He wanted to be there. He had to convince Phoenix a little bit that they were ready for him.”

On the small chance CP3 does leave, he'll take his $44m off our books and we'll have some money to spend.

I seriously doubt he will go to NY, even if it was more money. He just finished making $120 million and while I'm sure he will want another nice contract, I think a chance to compete and potentially win a title is more important than top dollar. Plus he loves it in Phx and is close to his family in NY.

The only way I could possibly see it is if his family wants to move there and/or he sees NY as a better team than we were prior to his arrival (which, they are)....so he could look at it as being a better chance at competing. Especially in the weaker east.

I don't think he'd go to NY. If he was to leave, I think it would be to NY because of the money and the team being competitive.

[suns12345]

Certainly Knicks are a factor in CP3 flight risk. But I think the bigger factor here is that CP3 wanted to come to Phoenix, he wanted to play with guys like Bridges, Booker, Ayton and for a coach in Monty. We built something here, the #2 team in the league and with moves this offseason, we could improve. I get the allure of playing in NY and relative success they've had this season is a sign of things to come but is he really going to leave all this to play with Randle and RJ? It's not like he's leaving a super young team like the Thunder to go to one that's more ready to contend now, we're ready to play now.



On the small chance CP3 does leave, he'll take his $44m off our books and we'll have some money to spend.

I seriously doubt he will go to NY, even if it was more money. He just finished making $120 million and while I'm sure he will want another nice contract, I think a chance to compete and potentially win a title is more important than top dollar. Plus he loves it in Phx and is close to his family in NY.

The only way I could possibly see it is if his family wants to move there and/or he sees NY as a better team than we were prior to his arrival (which, they are)....so he could look at it as being a better chance at competing. Especially in the weaker east.

I don't think he'd go to NY. If he was to leave, I think it would be to NY because of the money and the team being competitive.

Do you think they are a better team then we were in terms of ceiling and potential? I would say no! I also think we would finish 4th in the east this year with rubio and oubre instead of paul.

[lilfishi22]

I seriously doubt he will go to NY, even if it was more money. He just finished making $120 million and while I'm sure he will want another nice contract, I think a chance to compete and potentially win a title is more important than top dollar. Plus he loves it in Phx and is close to his family in NY.

The only way I could possibly see it is if his family wants to move there and/or he sees NY as a better team than we were prior to his arrival (which, they are)....so he could look at it as being a better chance at competing. Especially in the weaker east.

I don't think he'd go to NY. If he was to leave, I think it would be to NY because of the money and the team being competitive.

Do you think they are a better team then we were in terms of ceiling and potential? I would say no! I also think we would finish 4th in the east this year with rubio and oubre instead of paul.

I don't think so. I think we're a much more balanced team with young role players who still haven't reached their potential yet.

[bwgood77]

I seriously doubt he will go to NY, even if it was more money. He just finished making $120 million and while I'm sure he will want another nice contract, I think a chance to compete and potentially win a title is more important than top dollar. Plus he loves it in Phx and is close to his family in NY.

The only way I could possibly see it is if his family wants to move there and/or he sees NY as a better team than we were prior to his arrival (which, they are)....so he could look at it as being a better chance at competing. Especially in the weaker east.

I don't think he'd go to NY. If he was to leave, I think it would be to NY because of the money and the team being competitive.

Do you think they are a better team then we were in terms of ceiling and potential? I would say no! I also think we would finish 4th in the east this year with rubio and oubre instead of paul.

I don't know. We finished 34-39 last year even with a number of gimme games in the bubble...prior to that we were 26-39. The Knicks were at a 47 or 48 win pace in a regular season this year...finishing 41-31.

As for ceiling, I think ours is probably higher but it probably depends on how good you think guys like Barrett, Robinson and Quickley can be.

It seems like we have a better roster minus Paul. I imagine we'd probably be around where the Celtics are this year, or a little better. But I was strictly saying if he looked at it that way...joining a 4th seed as opposed to one that just finished 10th.

I think he will almost certainly stay though. I'm hoping he picks up his option with some kind of understanding he will get a couple more years if we can't just extend him to an extra $45 over 2 years following next year.

[grumpysaddle]

I don't think he'd go to NY. If he was to leave, I think it would be to NY because of the money and the team being competitive.

Do you think they are a better team then we were in terms of ceiling and potential? I would say no! I also think we would finish 4th in the east this year with rubio and oubre instead of paul.

I don't know. We finished 34-39 last year even with a number of gimme games in the bubble...prior to that we were 26-39. The Knicks were at a 47 or 48 win pace in a regular season this year...finishing 41-31.

As for ceiling, I think ours is probably higher but it probably depends on how good you think guys like Barrett, Robinson and Quickley can be.

It seems like we have a better roster minus Paul. I imagine we'd probably be around where the Celtics are this year, or a little better. But I was strictly saying if he looked at it that way...joining a 4th seed as opposed to one that just finished 10th.

I think he will almost certainly stay though. I'm hoping he picks up his option with some kind of understanding he will get a couple more years if we can't just extend him to an extra $45 over 2 years following next year.

Hard to compare east to west teams. West is ridiculous. Outside of a few teams, the East has been a joke for the past decade (or more like 2 decades probably). If last year's Suns were in the Eastern conference, they'd probably have a far better record than having to play a majority of your games against WC teams.