2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Gambo says Dario will be back

Good. Seems like there's some serious interest from both sides and when that's the case things tend to get done. I think they found something with running him at the 5.

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I was thinking the same thing -- he did pretty well at the 5 over the summer. I would be okay with that.

With his shooting and ability to playmake he's such a hard matchup for other backup 5s. It works because he's just big enough to hold his own on D especially against backup C's where very few are actually skilled enough to punish the size mismatch in the post.

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[Jesus_H_Macy]

So I am seeing all over Twitter the Suns WANT to include the 10th pick. Has James Jones lost his mind. Chris Paul is an OKC salary dump. He needs to treat it that way.

Dude this probably scares me more about this deal than the risks with Paul himself. I don't trust Jones' and Bower's asset valuation or deal making skills at all... I could be on board with a deal like what Kerrsed proposed where we trade down some spots and get another useful player but if we just get Paul back for Rubio+Oubre+10 or even Paul+lower pick for Rubio+Oubre+10 that is a giant L of a deal, even if Paul works out for us. There is just zero reason we should need to do that to get a deal done.

[darealjuice]

I'm a fan of bringing Dario back as well. Small ball center and back-up power forward that can step in and match-up with big forwards seems like a good fit for him with our team. I'm curious what his contract would look like though.

[Kerrsed]

So I am seeing all over Twitter the Suns WANT to include the 10th pick. Has James Jones lost his mind. Chris Paul is an OKC salary dump. He needs to treat it that way.

Dude this probably scares me more about this deal than the risks with Paul himself. I don't trust Jones' and Bower's asset valuation or deal making skills at all... I could be on board with a deal like what Kerrsed proposed where we trade down some spots and get another useful player but if we just get Paul back for Rubio+Oubre+10 or even Paul+lower pick for Rubio+Oubre+10 that is a giant L of a deal, even if Paul works out for us. There is just zero reason we should need to do that to get a deal done.

If James Jones was really slick, he would have my trade waiting in the wings, but first change one aspect of it.

Boston is willing to trade their 3 1st round picks to move up in the draft, so they can then send that pick to New Orleans in a Kemba Walker for Jrue Holiday trade. Suns should offer them the #10 for 15/26/30. If they accept that (Dont know if they do or thats not a big enough move forward for the Pelicans; They would now have the #10 and #14), we then send OKC the #15 INSTEAD of the #10 that i included in my trade. So this trade and change to my original trade would than net us:

CP3/DFS/WCS/#25/#26/#30 ----FOR---- Rubio/Oubre/#10/(A Jerome or Okobo if any of the 3 teams want)

Those 3 picks would give us 3 players for just a tad bit more than the #10 Pick would be making. ($3.5M vs $4.8M).

Grab Bane (Riller if he is gone), Bey (Reed if he is gone), Tillie (Tillman if he is gone)

CP3/Payne
Booker/Carter/(Bane)
Bridges/Johnson/(Bey)
DFS/Saric
Ayton/WCS/(Tillie)

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Ghost of Kleine]

So I am seeing all over Twitter the Suns WANT to include the 10th pick. Has James Jones lost his mind. Chris Paul is an OKC salary dump. He needs to treat it that way.

Dude this probably scares me more about this deal than the risks with Paul himself. I don't trust Jones' and Bower's asset valuation or deal making skills at all... I could be on board with a deal like what Kerrsed proposed where we trade down some spots and get another useful player but if we just get Paul back for Rubio+Oubre+10 or even Paul+lower pick for Rubio+Oubre+10 that is a giant L of a deal, even if Paul works out for us. There is just zero reason we should need to do that to get a deal done.

If James Jones was really slick, he would have my trade waiting in the wings, but first change one aspect of it.

Boston is willing to trade their 3 1st round picks to move up in the draft, so they can then send that pick to New Orleans in a Kemba Walker for Jrue Holiday trade. Suns should offer them the #10 for 15/26/30. If they accept that (Dont know if they do or thats not a big enough move forward for the Pelicans; They would now have the #10 and #14), we then send OKC the #15 INSTEAD of the #10 that i included in my trade. So this trade and change to my original trade would than net us:

CP3/DFS/WCS/#25/#26/#30 ----FOR---- Rubio/Oubre/#10/(A Jerome or Okobo if any of the 3 teams want)

Those 3 picks would give us 3 players for just a tad bit more than the #10 Pick would be making. ($3.5M vs $4.8M).

Grab Bane (Riller if he is gone), Bey (Reed if he is gone), Tillie (Tillman if he is gone)

CP3/Payne
Booker/Carter/(Bane)
Bridges/Johnson/(Bey)
DFS/Saric
Ayton/WCS/(Tillie)

You've done it again man!

[Walt_Uoob]

I'm still against the Paul trade generally but of course I can't help myself:

It appears to me that if we renounce all of our free agents and go under the cap, we could trade Rubio for Paul without having to include Oubre. I think we could hold onto Carter too but may have to waive Okobo and/or drop Diallo to do so. So, say, Rubio + #10 + cap space for Paul + 25. We would definitely need to shore up the bigs rotation, but we'd get to keep Oubre in the Valley, stay in the draft in Bane's range, and go all-in on the "interchangeable wings" thing.

Guards: Paul/Booker/Payne/Jerome/Carter?
Wings:Oubre/Bridges/Cam/25?
Bigs: Ayton/Diallo?/25?

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[phx#7]

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I think it's likely whatever he signs for will be less than his cap hold in year 1 so it should free up a little bit of space.

[matt131]

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I think it's likely whatever he signs for will be less than his cap hold in year 1 so it should free up a little bit of space.

We definitely need to add more to this roster than just retaining Saric. Hopefully he takes less on a one year deal or something so we can sign at least one other impactful guy

[BobbieL]

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I think it's likely whatever he signs for will be less than his cap hold in year 1 so it should free up a little bit of space.

We definitely need to add more to this roster than just retaining Saric. Hopefully he takes less on a one year deal or something so we can sign at least one other impactful guy

Gallo seems like a stretch in Phoenix based on this. About 10m in cap space will not get it done. It might get Christian Wood or Paul MIllsap under contract.


EdIT; Just re-read Aussie Dave cap stuff. He says if Saric comes in at $8m or less - the Suns can get more than the MLE for Gallinari. Only six teams, I think will have cap space next summer (I wanted to write "this summer" -old habits). So who knows, if CP3 comes to Phoenix, things are done in the right order - could be looking at Gallo in Phoenix. Just would need to find a Vet 2 Guard or draft one.


Gambo went through a whole list of names they won't draft. Why would they have gambo talking for them unless its a smokescreen.

[bwgood77]

Small market teams like the Suns have to make calculated gamble to win a championship. Keeping Oubre and Rubio would likely result in middle-of-the-pack mediocrity. Love them both, but if you have a chance to be a title contender, you take that chance. People are way, way underselling Chris Paul. He took a ragtag, mishmash of OKC talents to almost upsetting the Rockets. We're taking about a second-team all-nba player here, who is frankly better than Booker at this point.

Paul-Booker-Ayton is probably the best trio of stars in the league right now. Better than the Dubs trio IMO since few (if any teams) have two defensive guards that can keep up with Paul and Book, and there's few big men who can defend Ayton on the PNR. If Ayton can shoot the three (and it looks promising) and Bridges can lock down (or slow down) bigger forwards, I really, really like our chances.

Now there are risks... First, it keeps us paper-thin at the power forward position. Jones is going to have to find a cheap solution here. Maybe a Millsap and hope you can be okay with Millsap/Cam/Saric. Second, Booker's willingness to play second fiddle and sacrifice his personal goals (all star etc). Chris Paul is going to be 1a on this team, unlike a Rubio, he's going to be looking for his shot. Point Book and Booker usage is going to fall. I don't think Chris, after going through with what happened in Houston and Harden, will want to be 1B again.

Apparently you never witnessed the 1990s suns when EVERY star wanted to come to Phx. It has nothing to do with market size. What matters is ownership and reputation. Everyone wanted to play for Colangelo and the suns. Under Sarver, no one will ever want to come to Phx so yes, the Suns will have to over pay for stars.

I think James Jones and Monty counter this now, because Jones played with and was very good friends with LeBron and Love and others, and Monty coached Chris Paul and AD and they both liked playing for him along with others...and Monty also coached in other places like OKC (which is why he knew Payne) and Philly. The Lakers also wanted him which obviously meant LeBron and AD were all in on Monty to be their new coach.

[bwgood77]

You guys need to leave Flex alone, for real! Listen to what he has to say, but quit bothering him. There is absolutely no need to DM him asking about who he is or who his sources are or ANYTHING like that. If you want to believe his info, believe it, if you dont, then dont. Once again, its an insider going out of their way to provide information, and people want to blow things up and question everything and flood his DM's with bulls*t. Thats how you piss off/scare off guys with sources, then wonder why we dont hear anything and why info isnt leaking.

This board has had a rich history of having insiders providing us information. Unfortunately they tend to disappear and dry up once they start being interrogated and attacked on the board. Its happened time after time after time. Flex isnt a part of our board, yet here he is being flooded with questions in his DM's and attacked, and everything that he posted in that last tweet pointed right back to posters here on RealGM. Thats NOT a good look.

Seriously fella's, dont be that a**hole that loses it for everyone. Be classy.

I doubt anyone from here DM'd him. I certainly didn't even though I would question him. If I did question him though it would be in replies to the tweet and more about what he knew or how trading too much might not make sense.

[bwgood77]

So I am seeing all over Twitter the Suns WANT to include the 10th pick. Has James Jones lost his mind. Chris Paul is an OKC salary dump. He needs to treat it that way.

Dude this probably scares me more about this deal than the risks with Paul himself. I don't trust Jones' and Bower's asset valuation or deal making skills at all... I could be on board with a deal like what Kerrsed proposed where we trade down some spots and get another useful player but if we just get Paul back for Rubio+Oubre+10 or even Paul+lower pick for Rubio+Oubre+10 that is a giant L of a deal, even if Paul works out for us. There is just zero reason we should need to do that to get a deal done.

If James Jones was really slick, he would have my trade waiting in the wings, but first change one aspect of it.

Boston is willing to trade their 3 1st round picks to move up in the draft, so they can then send that pick to New Orleans in a Kemba Walker for Jrue Holiday trade. Suns should offer them the #10 for 15/26/30. If they accept that (Dont know if they do or thats not a big enough move forward for the Pelicans; They would now have the #10 and #14), we then send OKC the #15 INSTEAD of the #10 that i included in my trade. So this trade and change to my original trade would than net us:

CP3/DFS/WCS/#25/#26/#30 ----FOR---- Rubio/Oubre/#10/(A Jerome or Okobo if any of the 3 teams want)

Those 3 picks would give us 3 players for just a tad bit more than the #10 Pick would be making. ($3.5M vs $4.8M).

Grab Bane (Riller if he is gone), Bey (Reed if he is gone), Tillie (Tillman if he is gone)

CP3/Payne
Booker/Carter/(Bane)
Bridges/Johnson/(Bey)
DFS/Saric
Ayton/WCS/(Tillie)

Where does Oubre end up? If Dallas why would they want Oubre over DFS? Oubre scores more but on worse efficiency and they don't need a self creator there. They are pretty similar other than Oubre shooting more but DFS makes $4 million a year through 22. Why would Dallas want to pay 4x that and probably more if they kept him?

[Kerrsed]

You guys need to leave Flex alone, for real! Listen to what he has to say, but quit bothering him. There is absolutely no need to DM him asking about who he is or who his sources are or ANYTHING like that. If you want to believe his info, believe it, if you dont, then dont. Once again, its an insider going out of their way to provide information, and people want to blow things up and question everything and flood his DM's with bulls*t. Thats how you piss off/scare off guys with sources, then wonder why we dont hear anything and why info isnt leaking.

This board has had a rich history of having insiders providing us information. Unfortunately they tend to disappear and dry up once they start being interrogated and attacked on the board. Its happened time after time after time. Flex isnt a part of our board, yet here he is being flooded with questions in his DM's and attacked, and everything that he posted in that last tweet pointed right back to posters here on RealGM. Thats NOT a good look.

Seriously fella's, dont be that a**hole that loses it for everyone. Be classy.

I doubt anyone from here DM'd him. I certainly didn't even though I would question him. If I did question him though it would be in replies to the tweet and more about what he knew or how trading too much might not make sense.

Im pretty confident that a few people from here did. Ive watched all the tweets and replies and there were things he said in that one tweet that were not mentioned in the comments to his tweets. He pretty much called out RealGM in two tweets, so he knew where they were coming from.

Im just saying, lets try not to give this site/forum a black-eye by pestering the hell out of the guy (Like what happens here when someone steps forward to provide us with info).

Just looking at comments from his tweets you can pick out the RealGMers in the replies.

[bwgood77]

You guys need to leave Flex alone, for real! Listen to what he has to say, but quit bothering him. There is absolutely no need to DM him asking about who he is or who his sources are or ANYTHING like that. If you want to believe his info, believe it, if you dont, then dont. Once again, its an insider going out of their way to provide information, and people want to blow things up and question everything and flood his DM's with bulls*t. Thats how you piss off/scare off guys with sources, then wonder why we dont hear anything and why info isnt leaking.

This board has had a rich history of having insiders providing us information. Unfortunately they tend to disappear and dry up once they start being interrogated and attacked on the board. Its happened time after time after time. Flex isnt a part of our board, yet here he is being flooded with questions in his DM's and attacked, and everything that he posted in that last tweet pointed right back to posters here on RealGM. Thats NOT a good look.

Seriously fella's, dont be that a**hole that loses it for everyone. Be classy.

I doubt anyone from here DM'd him. I certainly didn't even though I would question him. If I did question him though it would be in replies to the tweet and more about what he knew or how trading too much might not make sense.

Im pretty confident that a few people from here did. Ive watched all the tweets and replies and there were things he said in that one tweet that were not mentioned in the comments to his tweets. He pretty much called out RealGM in two tweets, so he knew where they were coming from.

Im just saying, lets try not to give this site/forum a black-eye by pestering the hell out of the guy (Like what happens here when someone steps forward to provide us with info).

Just looking at comments from his tweets you can pick out the RealGMers in the replies.

He may just be reading realgm and calling out realgm from what he reads here if he is mentioning realgm. I doubt he is getting a DM and then calling out realgm...I don't think he'd know most of them are from realgm unless it says so on their profile. It does on mine and it is bwgood77 but I haven't DM'd him.

[bwgood77]

Or are you Flex from Jersey Kerrsed and tired of getting DMs?

Also, if people are posting their thoughts here they are likely very similar to a lot of other people's thoughts on twitter. There are a lot more Suns fans on twitter than here too, so there is likelihood they have the same thoughts or maybe even that they lurk this board and then DM him or her.

[lilfishi22]

Getting comfortable with the idea of CP3 on this team. I've said before that my biggest issue with him isn't injuries, the costs or even losing Rubio/Oubre (who I both like) but rather where we were as a team and being ready to take that next step. I judged a potential CP3 trade based on being 2 perhaps 3 years out from needing a guy like him to propel us into a true win-now mode.

My....misjudgement perhaps, was not seeing the potential monumental leap guys like Booker, Ayton, Bridges and Cam could take playing next to a HOF'er and one of the best basketball minds in the league. CP3 for all the heat he gets as a personality and his salary/health, is probably the #1 or #2 (behind Bron) smartest NBA players in the league today and also a guy that quite frankly doesn't have many weaknesses on the court.

He is a massive gamble but while we look at CP3 from a short term lens, I think you could also look at the long term benefits/prospects. Ayton and Bridges will both be extension eligible next season and you absolutely want to be able to put them in the best situation possible to succeed on the court and there's no better guy than Chris Paul to be honest. Once Ayton and Bridge's extension kicks in, it will be CP3's last at $44m. So we'll carry a massive salary number for one season only with the possibility of offloading it. I also want to leave as little doubt as possible as the the contract value of Ayton and Bridges once they come up for extension. So I see it as less of a win-now move in the sense that we're getting CP3 to lead us to a title but rather CP3 being the catalyst to getting our young guys to that next level.

When you have Booker with 4 years left on his deal, Ayton/Bridges becoming extension eligible soon and a head coach in Monty who's ready to coach at that next level, you want put these next 2 years into focus and give the guys the best chance at developing into winners because that's how you build winning teams.

It's a gamble to trade for CP3 but it's also a gamble to hope for an organic development into a championship level team. If you have a chance at changing the odds in our favor, you should do it.

[bwgood77]

OK, I guess he reads RealGM (though he said he doesn't in a tweet).

But he specifically said in a tweet that "I am not doing this for RealGM, twitter, etc" and then he also said "This is not Gambo's burner account"....now that was a joke I made...I seriously doubt someone DM'd him that, even though Gambo is from Jersey.

He also said he's not RayRay. That is kind of a strange thing to say if he doesn't read here...I guess someone could have DM'd him that.

Though he does follow 2 people named RayRay.