2021 Playoff and Offseason Speculation - the playoffs. PLAYOFFS????

[WeekapaugGroove]

Ayton in his final rookie deal yr Is a tremendous bargain
From that point on, it’s a chunky pay day, but try to find his equivalent any cheaper...who’s not on a rook deal.

That's why, if he won't take less than max, just hold on a season, use the extra cap we will probably have, and then give it to him (assuming he didn't devalue himself)

Yeah, ultimately if they do that with Ayton and Bridges is helps us with cap space for signings. And I don't think it would be a big issue for them as I think they both definitely without a doubt want to be Suns long term.

I disagree with your last statement. Not saying the suns HAVE to extend either guy but if they don't at least make a good faith effort this summer it could definitely piss them off. This is generational money we're talking about and guys want to lock that in because you never know what could happen in a year.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Yeah, ultimately if they do that with Ayton and Bridges is helps us with cap space for signings. And I don't think it would be a big issue for them as I think they both definitely without a doubt want to be Suns long term.

I absolutely agree! Waiting to extend Ayton, Could definitely work out really well for us in terms of having more cap flexibility towards free agent signings ( to further upgrade our roster) as you already so eloquently pointed out. I'm curious though, IF we do in fact choose to wait, Does anyone have any theoretical figures as to potential amounts that we'd be afforded towards free agency?

Impossible to know...depends on too many unknown factors like whether CP3 extends or gets a new deal, we use our MLE this summer, make a trade, etc.

Very good points!
I know that it's a bit early for such discussions, But I do honestly wish that there were some free agency primers that could cover the possibilities a bit? If even just for conversation.

[bwgood77]

That's why, if he won't take less than max, just hold on a season, use the extra cap we will probably have, and then give it to him (assuming he didn't devalue himself)

Yeah, ultimately if they do that with Ayton and Bridges is helps us with cap space for signings. And I don't think it would be a big issue for them as I think they both definitely without a doubt want to be Suns long term.

I disagree with your last statement. Not saying the suns HAVE to extend either guy but if they don't at least make a good faith effort this summer it could definitely piss them off. This is generational money we're talking about and guys want to lock that in because you never know what could happen in a year.

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I know that's your view, but if they understood why, I think it would be fine. I think they genuinely like being part of the Suns and would do what would help the Suns.

But I fully expect both to get extensions so it's kind of a moot point. I said the same about Booker before he got the extension.

[bwgood77]

I absolutely agree! Waiting to extend Ayton, Could definitely work out really well for us in terms of having more cap flexibility towards free agent signings ( to further upgrade our roster) as you already so eloquently pointed out. I'm curious though, IF we do in fact choose to wait, Does anyone have any theoretical figures as to potential amounts that we'd be afforded towards free agency?

Impossible to know...depends on too many unknown factors like whether CP3 extends or gets a new deal, we use our MLE this summer, make a trade, etc.

Very good points!
I know that it's a bit early for such discussions, But I do honestly wish that there were some free agency primers that could cover the possibilities a bit? If even just for conversation.

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Two summers from now? No, too many factors I'd have to work out in my head. Both the extensions, Paul, using MLE, etc. I doubt we have anything except the MLE...so you could think of guys that could sign for $10 million, but we will also likely be near or in the tax or possibly even hard cap.

[King4Day]

That's why, if he won't take less than max, just hold on a season, use the extra cap we will probably have, and then give it to him (assuming he didn't devalue himself)

Yeah, ultimately if they do that with Ayton and Bridges is helps us with cap space for signings. And I don't think it would be a big issue for them as I think they both definitely without a doubt want to be Suns long term.

I disagree with your last statement. Not saying the suns HAVE to extend either guy but if they don't at least make a good faith effort this summer it could definitely piss them off. This is generational money we're talking about and guys want to lock that in because you never know what could happen in a year.

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This is more if either wants the max. If they do, we all know neither is worth it at their present play. Excellent players, but neither are max worthy. We can offer them both fair deals (in the range of 100-120 over 5 years). That's security. If neither want it, then prove it again next year and they'll get the deal they want.
It would also give us a chance to trade either one of them in the event it's decided we can't afford both.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Yeah, ultimately if they do that with Ayton and Bridges is helps us with cap space for signings. And I don't think it would be a big issue for them as I think they both definitely without a doubt want to be Suns long term.

I disagree with your last statement. Not saying the suns HAVE to extend either guy but if they don't at least make a good faith effort this summer it could definitely piss them off. This is generational money we're talking about and guys want to lock that in because you never know what could happen in a year.

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This is more if either wants the max. If they do, we all know neither is worth it at their present play. Excellent players, but neither are max worthy. We can offer them both fair deals (in the range of 100-120 over 5 years). That's security. If neither want it, then prove it again next year and they'll get the deal they want.
It would also give us a chance to trade either one of them in the event it's decided we can't afford both.

No disagreement. What I was saying is if you simply don't offer them extensions this summer that could piss them off. One of the trade offs of extending early is you can get a little more team friendly deal in trade off for locking it in a year earlier.

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[bwgood77]

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[Calvin Klein]

I was expecting some 3rd place votes for Cam for SMOTY but no. Facu got one though

[Bogyo]

Dedmon and Rivers having good games for their respective playoff teams. These type of guys can help - if you pick them right, especially if you take your precious time and pick them at all.

[Saberestar]

Dedmon and Rivers having good games for their respective playoff teams. These type of guys can help - if you pick them right, especially if you take your precious time and pick them at all.

The Suns are probably the deepest team in the entire league.

We have so many valuable bench players, can not have them all.

[King4Day]

How do people feel about Myles Turner? Would he fit well next to Ayton?

I know it'd cost a fortune to get him but just a thought.
Dario, Jalen, this years first (post draft), and a future first.

This can be looked a couple of ways.

1. Dario, Jalen, and the 1 have no value.
2. The future first could be worth something if phoenix isn't good anymore by then (possible if CP3 is gone and Book leaves, etc.)

[bwgood77]

How do people feel about Myles Turner? Would he fit well next to Ayton?

I know it'd cost a fortune to get him but just a thought.
Dario, Jalen, this years first (post draft), and a future first.

This can be looked a couple of ways.

1. Dario, Jalen, and the 1 have no value.
2. The future first could be worth something if phoenix isn't good anymore by then (possible if CP3 is gone and Book leaves, etc.)

His contract is probably too big with all our other contracts.

[Ghost of Kleine]

How do people feel about Myles Turner? Would he fit well next to Ayton?

I know it'd cost a fortune to get him but just a thought.
Dario, Jalen, this years first (post draft), and a future first.

This can be looked a couple of ways.

1. Dario, Jalen, and the 1 have no value.
2. The future first could be worth something if phoenix isn't good anymore by then (possible if CP3 is gone and Book leaves, etc.)

Turner is a solid big for sure!
For my part though, His contract is just too big to consider at 17-18 million per through 2023. Also, I may be in the minority, But I still think it's way too soon to give up on Smith. He's still a 6'10 mobile big man with a unique offensive skillset, good shooting mechanics and really good weakside rim protection potential! His contract is a minimal cost to us, And if he can just get some actual playing time/ practice, I could see him being a really solid 2 way frontcourt rotation player. Especially with an offseason and an actual training camp under his belt!

Now I'm not sure exactly how much money we'll have available this offseason But if we end up not resigning Kaminsky or another bench player, I'd look at some value options ( * if available) for backup center in free agency.

1- Hassan Whiteside.
2- Nerlens Noel.
3- Dwight Howard??

Now I do understand that none of these players really shoot the three, But in a backup center role, And with most likely playing in a defensive/ rebounding depth role next to any of : Crowder, Saric, Johnson, Craig, There shouldn't be that much of a prominent need to hit the three at a high level. However, IF we don't have the money to look for a veteran backup 5 in free agency, That late first becomes immensely valuable to us, in that there are a number of low cost center options with great defensive skillsets, And a few that can be considered 3 and D. One such really strong option is actually Jay huff of Virginia!
http://www.tankathon.com/players/jay-huff
He's 7'1 240 lbs. With a 7'5 wingspan, Is really quick, athletic, a really great shotblocker, Is shooting 38% from three and 83% from the free throw line. And has a really high basketball IQ. He's a rich man's athletic, aggressive version of Kaminsky anyways.
Also Neemius Queta is a high level defensive big that is more or less a walking double double. And a long mobile defensive stopper.
http://www.tankathon.com/players/neemias-queta . Either definitely would be great backup 5 options at a minimal contractual cost honestly.

[RedIndian]

Man, I feel really down in the dumps today. Acquire Chris Paul and have him be healthy all year, lead you to 2nd seed, and then get injured in his second quarter of playoff basketball. What a bummer.

Wonder what our long-term game plan is with him. It sure would have been nice to have Haliburton.

[JDJ26]

The Suns need a decent backup center badly. Saric is okay but he isn't a center.

Hopefully James Jones has a few players in mind to acquire in the offseason.

I also hope James Jones negotiates a contract for Ayton and Mikal in the offseason as well.

[Adrao]

Booker, Ayton, Bridges, Payne, Johnson and CP3, if he wants to stay, are my untradeable players.
Saric and Crowder can go out and hire a good PF and a good backup for Ayton.

[spanishninja]

Man, I feel really down in the dumps today. Acquire Chris Paul and have him be healthy all year, lead you to 2nd seed, and then get injured in his second quarter of playoff basketball. What a bummer.

Wonder what our long-term game plan is with him. It sure would have been nice to have Haliburton.

The depressing part was that Paul was healthy all season too. It's not like we ran him into the ground or anything before the playoffs. A freak injury dooming us in the playoffs is such bad luck, and can only happen to us.

If there is any positive from this, hopefully this experience makes CP3 realize how great of a group we have, and is willing to deal with us to stay longer than next season. That is, unless he now has a grudge towards Cam Johnson for accidentally hurting him

[Frank Lee]

Don’t know the numbers, but it seems CP would just take his option and be here next yr. he’s made a pile of dough, so may be come renew time, he goes yr to yr with a discount to facilitate adding others. It’s his last hurrah btw.

[bwgood77]

Man, I feel really down in the dumps today. Acquire Chris Paul and have him be healthy all year, lead you to 2nd seed, and then get injured in his second quarter of playoff basketball. What a bummer.

Wonder what our long-term game plan is with him. It sure would have been nice to have Haliburton.

The depressing part was that Paul was healthy all season too. It's not like we ran him into the ground or anything before the playoffs. A freak injury dooming us in the playoffs is such bad luck, and can only happen to us.

If there is any positive from this, hopefully this experience makes CP3 realize how great of a group we have, and is willing to deal with us to stay longer than next season. That is, unless he now has a grudge towards Cam Johnson for accidentally hurting him

I don't know if the injury would make us less likely to extend him (unless we have to in order to compete with a Knicks offer or something) but if he starts having recurring nerve injuries and we are on the hook for like $90 over 3, that won't be good.

I really hope he picks up that option.

[WeekapaugGroove]

If Paul is back next year (likely) the suns need to convince him to take a few rest games. Not because I think it caused his current injury, that was just a freak accident, but more so because they need at least some reps without him in case he gets hurt in the playoffs again.

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