2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

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[Bogyo]

We're probably going to spend the next few seasons without having signed anyone to the two way slot.

There is no justification for the neglect shown for free roster spots

There are only three explanations.

1) Cheapness

2) Laziness

3) Incompetence

They're free. It's like being in one of those money blowing booths, but not catching any because you are too lazy to move your arms.

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I'll have a guess and tell you that it's penny pinching.

Every move we've made over the last 18 monthd has been to save money.

- sell our G-league team
- dump the #29 and Carter's 2 years for a 1 year guy in Shamet. Saves us significant money this year and next
- use the MLE to add players on 1 year deals when we could have got a solid rotation player if we were willing to hand out a 3 or 4 year deal
- haven't used the BAE in 2 years
- grab Payne on a massive discount
- waive Ty-Shon for no conceivable reason

If the trend continues, next up is us cheaping out on the Ayton and Bridges extensions.

Sarver is happy as long as we're competitive. CP3 ensures that, but there seems to be no real interest in either paying the tax and REALLY going for the title.

Neither is there any interest to simultaneously develop some young talent on the cheap. You know, in case, CP3 ages too fast, or we get some unforeseen injuries. That part is as much on Jones as it is on Sarver.

My feelings exactley. Also a lot of folks in Suns twitter are noticing the same thing. We havent gone all in, just like we haven't gone all in last year, when we should have gotten McGee at the deadline... I'm afraid results will be similar, even though we can count on some internal development. We are counting on our top 8 to win the chip, the only difference is McGee instead of Saric.
Not impossible that we can get it done, but not very likely either. Haven't seen Vegas odds yet, but I think they agree.

[RedIndian]

We're probably going to spend the next few seasons without having signed anyone to the two way slot.

There is no justification for the neglect shown for free roster spots

There are only three explanations.

1) Cheapness

2) Laziness

3) Incompetence

They're free. It's like being in one of those money blowing booths, but not catching any because you are too lazy to move your arms.

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I'll have a guess and tell you that it's penny pinching.

Every move we've made over the last 18 monthd has been to save money.

- sell our G-league team
- dump the #29 and Carter's 2 years for a 1 year guy in Shamet. Saves us significant money this year and next
- use the MLE to add players on 1 year deals when we could have got a solid rotation player if we were willing to hand out a 3 or 4 year deal
- haven't used the BAE in 2 years
- grab Payne on a massive discount
- waive Ty-Shon for no conceivable reason

If the trend continues, next up is us cheaping out on the Ayton and Bridges extensions.

Sarver is happy as long as we're competitive. CP3 ensures that, but there seems to be no real interest in either paying the tax and REALLY going for the title.

Neither is there any interest to simultaneously develop some young talent on the cheap. You know, in case, CP3 ages too fast, or we get some unforeseen injuries. That part is as much on Jones as it is on Sarver.

My feelings exactley. Also a lot of folks in Suns twitter are noticing the same thing. We havent gone all in, just like we haven't gone all in last year, when we should have gotten McGee at the deadline... I'm afraid results will be similar, even though we can count on some internal development. We are counting on our top 8 to win the chip, the only difference is McGee instead of Saric.
Not impossible that we can get it done, but not very likely either. Haven't seen Vegas odds yet, but I think they agree.

If everyone is healthy, we're may be the 5th best team in the league. I think it'd be a bit disingenuous to not acknowledge the role injuries played in our Finals run last year. I don't think for instance we'd have beaten the Clips if Kawhi had been healthy.

Could we have another great run this year? Absolutely. Will we win it? It'd require a huge bit of luck again, and a LOT of internal development. And of course CP3 being fully healthy and operating at the same level at last year. Will all of that happen together? Highly unlikely IMO.

Nothing wrong with being the 5th best team in the league, but I really wish we'd made a really gutsy all-in move. Championship windows can be absolutely tiny, and ours hinges on a 37 year old remaining healthy and productive.

[Saberestar]

Ty-Shown was not good enough to deserve an spot on the team, it happens.

He had his opportunity in Summer League to show them that he has improved his game but he failed.

In their last game, with Jalen Smith out, he shot 6/19 and didn't help in other areas. You can find a player as him wherever you want.

I agree with the decision.

[Puff]

Only logical reason to waive Ty-shon is if we’re doing a favor for him and his agent because he won’t get any playing time here and we don’t have an official g-league affiliate. I know it’s just a minor thing but our complete lack of attention to development on the back end of the roster is infuriating. Both 2 way spots are now open.

Yeah, I don't think they waive him unless he requested it.

Quite frankly, he stinks.

He was the worst player on our Summer league team, IMO.

There has to be better options out there.

[Barkley6]

Ty-Shown was not good enough to deserve an spot on the team, it happens.

He had his opportunity in Summer League to show them that he has improved his game but he failed.

In their last game, with Jalen Smith out, he shot 6/19 and didn't help in other areas. You can find a player as him wherever you want.

I agree with the decision.

It's not about Ty-Shon personally for me, I agree he had a poor showing, it's the timing that's head scratching. The fact that he didn't even get invited to camp before being waived seems strange at this point in the offseason. The Suns are going to need at least a couple camp bodies, since I doubt they roll with just 14 guys in camp. Ty-Shon is a guy who knows our system, and knows our team, and so makes a lot of sense to have during that time because you don't have to burn valuable coaching time to get him up to speed, and he should already have chemistry with our roster.

[Saberestar]

Ty-Shown was not good enough to deserve an spot on the team, it happens.

He had his opportunity in Summer League to show them that he has improved his game but he failed.

In their last game, with Jalen Smith out, he shot 6/19 and didn't help in other areas. You can find a player as him wherever you want.

I agree with the decision.

It's not about Ty-Shon personally for me, I agree he had a poor showing, it's the timing that's head scratching. The fact that he didn't even get invited to camp before being waived seems strange at this point in the offseason. The Suns are going to need at least a couple camp bodies, since I doubt they roll with just 14 guys in camp. Ty-Shon is a guy who knows our system, and knows our team, and so makes a lot of sense to have during that time because you don't have to burn valuable coaching time to get him up to speed, and he should already have chemistry with our roster.

The timing? We have a lot of time yet to grab a couple players for training camp. It starts Sept 28th...a full month away.

He is just not good enough, he is already 23 years old and doesn't look an NBA player.

There are a lot of players available who deserve an opportunity, we will get one of those to replace Ty-Shon as an insurance guy.

[Frank Lee]

Why is it hard to believe ? Right now we are not interested in adding anyone who isn’t going to contribute on the next two yr run. Sure, we may fill the spots with bodies, but not with potential PGs when we have 4 on the roster who have actual NBA minutes there.

Enjoy the window…. This year’s success will rely on continued improvement of Bridges, Ayton, and Johnson. And of course health. Might as well throw in CPayne as well. I assume Book ticks it up another notch. It’s how he is wired.

A very conservative off season, but yet we should be a better team. A little bigger and a little more athletic. At least McGee provides a buffer from Shank.

[Barkley6]

Ty-Shown was not good enough to deserve an spot on the team, it happens.

He had his opportunity in Summer League to show them that he has improved his game but he failed.

In their last game, with Jalen Smith out, he shot 6/19 and didn't help in other areas. You can find a player as him wherever you want.

I agree with the decision.

It's not about Ty-Shon personally for me, I agree he had a poor showing, it's the timing that's head scratching. The fact that he didn't even get invited to camp before being waived seems strange at this point in the offseason. The Suns are going to need at least a couple camp bodies, since I doubt they roll with just 14 guys in camp. Ty-Shon is a guy who knows our system, and knows our team, and so makes a lot of sense to have during that time because you don't have to burn valuable coaching time to get him up to speed, and he should already have chemistry with our roster.

The timing? We have a lot of time yet to grab a couple players for training camp. It starts Sept 28th...a full month away.

He is just not good enough, he is already 23 years old and doesn't look an NBA player.

There are a lot of players available who deserve an opportunity, we will get one of those to replace Ty-Shon as an insurance guy.

I meant in terms of him being released before camp, not that we don't. There's no risk to take him to camp and cut him after. Why make the move to cut him now? Unless, as someone stated above it was as a favor to player and agent to help him latch on somewhere else.

[King4Day]

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Good listen.
Who knows if he really has knowledge but him saying that Thad Young wants to come to Phoenix is interesting.
He also mentioned if we got Love, we would still get someone else (guessing in the form of trade).

And the guys discussed what we talked about a bit a few weeks ago that, while Smith is a nice idea and it'd be great if he develops and becomes special, he's likely still not on our timeline and if can we trade him for help now (IE: Young), you do it.

Small window (with Paul). We have to do everything we can to win. I give us 2 seasons as currently constructed. That grows if the kids' development explodes.
After Paul, we'll need to focus on a new PG who can roll with this team.

[King4Day]

Does anyone know when Book is elidible for an extension?
I used to think he'd likely leave, but after last season, I think he'd sign an extension if presented to him

[MrMiyagi]

Does anyone know when Book is elidible for an extension?
I used to think he'd likely leave, but after last season, I think he'd sign an extension if presented to him

I mean, we have him for the next 3 seasons. I don't think he'd do an extension yet.

[hauntedkiwi]

Only logical reason to waive Ty-shon is if we’re doing a favor for him and his agent because he won’t get any playing time here and we don’t have an official g-league affiliate. I know it’s just a minor thing but our complete lack of attention to development on the back end of the roster is infuriating. Both 2 way spots are now open.

Yeah, I don't think they waive him unless he requested it.

Quite frankly, he stinks.

He was the worst player on our Summer league team, IMO.

There has to be better options out there.

Maybe there are. The Suns will not sign any of them. It's not about him, it's that we're not even trying.

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[King4Day]

Does anyone know when Book is elidible for an extension?
I used to think he'd likely leave, but after last season, I think he'd sign an extension if presented to him

I mean, we have him for the next 3 seasons. I don't think he'd do an extension yet.

Right, I'm just curious if it's when there are 2 years left or 1.
Suns need to lock him up as soon as it's allowed.

[Blonde]

If the front office thought that Ty-Shon was a bust and there was a chance they might waive him then it’s even more disgraceful that we didn’t seek out any undrafted rookies last month when every other team scooped them up. It’s just negligence on the player development side. It’s not like we’re saving our 2 way spot for anyone who could contribute now anyway.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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Cleveland is acquiring Chicago restricted free agent F Lauri Markkanen on a four-year, $67M deal in a sign-and-trade, sources tell ESPN.

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Looks like Kevin Love might be incoming then???



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This is an interesting fit for Markkanen, to say the least. Another big added to Cleveland means Kevin Love could soon be bought out to join a contender.

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[Barkley6]

Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) Tweeted:
Cleveland is acquiring Chicago restricted free agent F Lauri Markkanen on a four-year, $67M deal in a sign-and-trade, sources tell ESPN.

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Looks like Kevin Love might be incoming then???



Evan Sidery (@esidery) Tweeted:
This is an interesting fit for Markkanen, to say the least. Another big added to Cleveland means Kevin Love could soon be bought out to join a contender.

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Really can't see Kevin Love staying there at this point. Markkanen, Allen and Mobley would all be ahead of him. That means he'd be getting spot minutes on a team that isn't likely to make the playoffs. I'd definitely take a chance on him at this point. Even if he's no better than what Saric was, that's EXACTLY what we need right now, a big that can space the floor and crash the glass.

[King4Day]

Really can't see Kevin Love staying there at this point. Markkanen, Allen and Mobley would all be ahead of him. That means he'd be getting spot minutes on a team that isn't likely to make the playoffs. I'd definitely take a chance on him at this point. Even if he's no better than what Saric was, that's EXACTLY what we need right now, a big that can space the floor and crash the glass.

Yea I think this will end of becoming a precursor to him getting bought out.
If so, the question then becomes, does he want money and playing time on a contender in Phoenix, or does he just want to play with LeBron and a possible easier chance at a ring

[LV-Suns]

Larry Nance to the Blazers for a lottery protected pick till 2028. Then turns into two 2nds. Shame we couldn’t outbid that.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) Tweeted:
ESPN Sources: Cleveland’s acquiring Chicago’s Lauri Markkanen in three-way sign and trade with Portland. Bulls get Derrick Jones Jr., POR’s lottery protected future 1st and Cavs’ future second-rounder. POR gets Larry Nance Jr.

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