2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

[Saberestar]

Larry Nance to the Blazers for a lottery protected pick till 2028. Then turns into two 2nds. Shame we couldn’t outbid that.

Well, the Blazers gave DJJ in the trade. He is an OK player, neutral value at worst.

[Mjee]

Kevin love anybody

[Bogyo]

Larry Nance to the Blazers for a lottery protected pick till 2028. Then turns into two 2nds. Shame we couldn’t outbid that.

Laziness or incompetence?
I really hope we have something up in our sleeves, it would be criminal to stand pat when we have a 2 year window.

[BobbieL]

Really can't see Kevin Love staying there at this point. Markkanen, Allen and Mobley would all be ahead of him. That means he'd be getting spot minutes on a team that isn't likely to make the playoffs. I'd definitely take a chance on him at this point. Even if he's no better than what Saric was, that's EXACTLY what we need right now, a big that can space the floor and crash the glass.

Yea I think this will end of becoming a precursor to him getting bought out.
If so, the question then becomes, does he want money and playing time on a contender in Phoenix, or does he just want to play with LeBron and a possible easier chance at a ring

I think you hit the nail on both points. This probably means Love and the Cavs will talk buyout. Kemba gave up almost $20m but he got like $17m from the Knicks I believe. The Suns can off half the MLE - but My guess is the Suns do not want those dollars on the books and Love will want the chance to make more next offseason.

LeBron or CP3

[Ghost of Kleine]

Larry Nance to the Blazers for a lottery protected pick till 2028. Then turns into two 2nds. Shame we couldn’t outbid that.

Laziness or incompetence?
I really hope we have something up in our sleeves, it would be criminal to stand pat when we have a 2 year window.

If we go off all of the random speculation that's circulating about, Then I'd have to assume that Jones is basically saving what's left of the MLE to offer to Love once he gets bought out by Cleveland. However, IF Kove does come here to provide more depth off our bench at the 4 in what was Sarics' role, What happens to Smith?

Also, I'd have to wonder if Jones has another move planned ( trade or buyout option) at/ around the trade deadline ? I'd wager that Love is/ has been Jones primarily option ( 1st choice). With Thaddeus Young being his 2nd option via trade or buyout should Love choose one of the LA super teams ( Lebron and the Flakers) over us?? But we actually still do need to address our wing depth with at least one more athletic, high energy, multipositional 2/3 option honestly. I wonder IF Jones has a particular young player/ prospect in mind to fill one of our available two way options?

The other could be for an injury replacement option or for an intriguing G league consideration perhaps?

[NapoleonII]

My betting money is on Kevin Love with that James Jones connection, plus his girlfriend would look damn good in Scottsdale or a Phoenix mansion.

[sunsbg]

My betting money is on Kevin Love with that James Jones connection, plus his girlfriend would look damn good in Scottsdale or a Phoenix mansion.

Approved.

[Ghost of Kleine]

My betting money is on Kevin Love with that James Jones connection, plus his girlfriend would look damn good in Scottsdale or a Phoenix mansion.

But would he really choose Jones and us over his Buddy Lebron, and being on a more star studded team of HOFers' with Lebron/ Westbrook/ AD. Also all of the LA glitz , glamour and notoriety too? Great friend vs. a more stacked super team with his other good friend Lebron???

[bwgood77]

Only logical reason to waive Ty-shon is if we’re doing a favor for him and his agent because he won’t get any playing time here and we don’t have an official g-league affiliate. I know it’s just a minor thing but our complete lack of attention to development on the back end of the roster is infuriating. Both 2 way spots are now open.

Yeah, I don't think they waive him unless he requested it.

Quite frankly, he stinks.

He was the worst player on our Summer league team, IMO.

There has to be better options out there.

Our team stinks. Many thought he was playing the best ball early. But he was up and down. Anyway, if they for some reason didn't cut him due to him wanting out, they better have plans to sign others.

[bwgood77]

We're probably going to spend the next few seasons without having signed anyone to the two way slot.

There is no justification for the neglect shown for free roster spots

There are only three explanations.

1) Cheapness

2) Laziness

3) Incompetence

They're free. It's like being in one of those money blowing booths, but not catching any because you are too lazy to move your arms.

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I'll have a guess and tell you that it's penny pinching.

Every move we've made over the last 18 monthd has been to save money.

- sell our G-league team
- dump the #29 and Carter's 2 years for a 1 year guy in Shamet. Saves us significant money this year and next
- use the MLE to add players on 1 year deals when we could have got a solid rotation player if we were willing to hand out a 3 or 4 year deal
- haven't used the BAE in 2 years
- grab Payne on a massive discount
- waive Ty-Shon for no conceivable reason

If the trend continues, next up is us cheaping out on the Ayton and Bridges extensions.

Sarver is happy as long as we're competitive. CP3 ensures that, but there seems to be no real interest in either paying the tax and REALLY going for the title.

Neither is there any interest to simultaneously develop some young talent on the cheap. You know, in case, CP3 ages too fast, or we get some unforeseen injuries. That part is as much on Jones as it is on Sarver.

My feelings exactley. Also a lot of folks in Suns twitter are noticing the same thing. We havent gone all in, just like we haven't gone all in last year, when we should have gotten McGee at the deadline... I'm afraid results will be similar, even though we can count on some internal development. We are counting on our top 8 to win the chip, the only difference is McGee instead of Saric.
Not impossible that we can get it done, but not very likely either. Haven't seen Vegas odds yet, but I think they agree.

Overall not pinching pennies though given spending way more on team going over the cap by over $20 million. And with COVID hitting revenue hard it's somewhat understandable. The list above were about roster player movement are not significant and getting Payne on the best deal agreed to isn't being cheap. Why pay a guy more than he accepts? And shedding money for more flexibility while upgrading player from Carter to Shamet is smart. They could have eye on a BAE guy next year, but a minimum player with a lot of experience in a slot instead cost almost as much. Ty-Shon being waived is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme. Selling the G league team is weird for player development, though in some respects it's not a huge deal given they can go down and play elsewhere.

[bwgood77]

I'll have a guess and tell you that it's penny pinching.

Every move we've made over the last 18 monthd has been to save money.

- sell our G-league team
- dump the #29 and Carter's 2 years for a 1 year guy in Shamet. Saves us significant money this year and next
- use the MLE to add players on 1 year deals when we could have got a solid rotation player if we were willing to hand out a 3 or 4 year deal
- haven't used the BAE in 2 years
- grab Payne on a massive discount
- waive Ty-Shon for no conceivable reason

If the trend continues, next up is us cheaping out on the Ayton and Bridges extensions.

Sarver is happy as long as we're competitive. CP3 ensures that, but there seems to be no real interest in either paying the tax and REALLY going for the title.

Neither is there any interest to simultaneously develop some young talent on the cheap. You know, in case, CP3 ages too fast, or we get some unforeseen injuries. That part is as much on Jones as it is on Sarver.

My feelings exactley. Also a lot of folks in Suns twitter are noticing the same thing. We havent gone all in, just like we haven't gone all in last year, when we should have gotten McGee at the deadline... I'm afraid results will be similar, even though we can count on some internal development. We are counting on our top 8 to win the chip, the only difference is McGee instead of Saric.
Not impossible that we can get it done, but not very likely either. Haven't seen Vegas odds yet, but I think they agree.

If everyone is healthy, we're may be the 5th best team in the league. I think it'd be a bit disingenuous to not acknowledge the role injuries played in our Finals run last year. I don't think for instance we'd have beaten the Clips if Kawhi had been healthy.

Could we have another great run this year? Absolutely. Will we win it? It'd require a huge bit of luck again, and a LOT of internal development. And of course CP3 being fully healthy and operating at the same level at last year. Will all of that happen together? Highly unlikely IMO.

Nothing wrong with being the 5th best team in the league, but I really wish we'd made a really gutsy all-in move. Championship windows can be absolutely tiny, and ours hinges on a 37 year old remaining healthy and productive.

I think we were probably about the 5th best this year, provided teams were healthy behind the LA teams, Brooklyn, Milwaukee and you could argue Utah though we did beat them twice. Denver was about equal. We were healthy which helped and take the regular season more seriously with no rest time for key players. But more competitive teams this year and I can see why some would put someone like GS above us as well given their history and experience with their big 3 (if Klay is healthy). Denver too if Murray is back (or was healthy) given the continued development of Porter and further integration of Gordon. These teams were not far behind us.

[bwgood77]

Ty-Shown was not good enough to deserve an spot on the team, it happens.

He had his opportunity in Summer League to show them that he has improved his game but he failed.

In their last game, with Jalen Smith out, he shot 6/19 and didn't help in other areas. You can find a player as him wherever you want.

I agree with the decision.

It's not about Ty-Shon personally for me, I agree he had a poor showing, it's the timing that's head scratching. The fact that he didn't even get invited to camp before being waived seems strange at this point in the offseason. The Suns are going to need at least a couple camp bodies, since I doubt they roll with just 14 guys in camp. Ty-Shon is a guy who knows our system, and knows our team, and so makes a lot of sense to have during that time because you don't have to burn valuable coaching time to get him up to speed, and he should already have chemistry with our roster.

The timing? We have a lot of time yet to grab a couple players for training camp. It starts Sept 28th...a full month away.

He is just not good enough, he is already 23 years old and doesn't look an NBA player.

There are a lot of players available who deserve an opportunity, we will get one of those to replace Ty-Shon as an insurance guy.

He was a development guy we spent a year back already with committed money and could have at least gotten a camp invite with 20 spots. Other teams will use most of those spots. We will likely wait and see who gets let go then but could have waited regardless. Chances are he requested it to go to another camp or he had an option they considered better.

[bwgood77]

People forget Kevin Love is under contract for over $60 million for 2 years and has played 103 games in 3 years. Really surprising people putting so much stock in Flex. Now if Love is willing to give up $10 million or something, maybe a buyout happens. Honestly I am not sure he'd be high on James Jones list anyway given how he likes to switch everyone. Millsap can switch better than him even at this point. Love is basically best as a small ball 5. I think being buddies impacting signings much is overrated. Also if he got playing time over others it could be thought of as nepotism.

[bwgood77]

Larry Nance to the Blazers for a lottery protected pick till 2028. Then turns into two 2nds. Shame we couldn’t outbid that.

Laziness or incompetence?
I really hope we have something up in our sleeves, it would be criminal to stand pat when we have a 2 year window.

If we go off all of the random speculation that's circulating about, Then I'd have to assume that Jones is basically saving what's left of the MLE to offer to Love once he gets bought out by Cleveland. However, IF Kove does come here to provide more depth off our bench at the 4 in what was Sarics' role, What happens to Smith?

Also, I'd have to wonder if Jones has another move planned ( trade or buyout option) at/ around the trade deadline ? I'd wager that Love is/ has been Jones primarily option ( 1st choice). With Thaddeus Young being his 2nd option via trade or buyout should Love choose one of the LA super teams ( Lebron and the Flakers) over us?? But we actually still do need to address our wing depth with at least one more athletic, high energy, multipositional 2/3 option honestly. I wonder IF Jones has a particular young player/ prospect in mind to fill one of our available two way options?

The other could be for an injury replacement option or for an intriguing G league consideration perhaps?

This post makes it seem like Love HAS been bought out. Maybe I'm behind. Is this the case?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Evan Sidery (@esidery) Tweeted:
Suns have an open roster spot. Kevin Love will now be the fourth big in Cleveland behind Mobley, Allen and Markkanen.

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[Ghost of Kleine]

Xin Varlock (@XinNBA) Tweeted:
Hold on one second. Kevin Love’s jersey number is #0. This was also Ty-Shon’s number.

It’s now clear why James Jones had to do this.

Same reason why Kevin Durant didn’t sign with the Suns while DB35 was on the team.

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Xin Varlock (@XinNBA) Tweeted:
There has also been a historical feud between Love and Ty-Shon Alexander. Could be a motivating factor behind yesterday’s move.

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[Puff]

If the front office thought that Ty-Shon was a bust and there was a chance they might waive him then it’s even more disgraceful that we didn’t seek out any undrafted rookies last month when every other team scooped them up. It’s just negligence on the player development side. It’s not like we’re saving our 2 way spot for anyone who could contribute now anyway.

If you watched, Ty-Shon did not even appear to try. He acted like he was the chosen one. I am glad he is gone. I understand the need for development. He is not worth the investment in developing. There were other players that were not good on that summer league team as well. However they busted their butts trying to make it to the big team, he did not bust his butt.

After we see what happens in the next couple of weeks we can better evaluate this decision.

I believe we can sign virtually any player off of any G league team. We do not have to own the team to do it.

[bwgood77]

If the front office thought that Ty-Shon was a bust and there was a chance they might waive him then it’s even more disgraceful that we didn’t seek out any undrafted rookies last month when every other team scooped them up. It’s just negligence on the player development side. It’s not like we’re saving our 2 way spot for anyone who could contribute now anyway.

If you watched, Ty-Shon did not even appear to try. He acted like he was the chosen one. I am glad he is gone. I understand the need for development. He is not worth the investment in developing. There were other players that were not good on that summer league team as well. However they busted their butts trying to make it to the big team, he did not bust his butt.

After we see what happens in the next couple of weeks we can better evaluate this decision.

I believe we can sign virtually any player off of any G league team. We do not have to own the team to do it.

We can sign any player on another team as long as they are not down there playing while under a regular contract or 2 way from another team.

[RunDogGun]

Man, I am so shocked that the Suns waived TyShon(green font). I thought someone said that they would never do that.

Good move in my opinion. Hope Bey becomes available after training camp. Bey(or a player like him) and another big on the two way contracts would be the smartest move in my opinion. Leave the last spot open unless someone we really think could crack the rotation becomes available either through trade or buyout.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Would this give us enough size up front against bigger nba teams?

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