Devin Booker

[garrick]

Are you saying Reggie didn't have athleticism? Reggie would take it to the hoop and dunk on your ass in a heart beat, plus he could handle the rock.

He was an average athlete at best, to me you're overselling Miller's athleticism and underselling Booker's, but meh, whatevs.

Wow! I really believe people just like picking fights with me. I said Booker athleticism wasn't elite but he would be better than Klay at play-making. Then a guy says Reggie made it to HOF by shooting J's, and I said Reggie would dunk on you and could handle the rock......

How did that over sell Reggie and undersell Booker?! Sometimes.........smh. Then you said Reggie was average at BEST....again smh...

Reggie was pretty unathletic by NBA standards but he was a deadly jump shooter who knew how to get open by using screens well.

His lack of athleticism stopped him from being elite with the likes of Kobe or MJ though on the plus side he had longevity because he didn't rely on jumping ability to play at a high level.




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[JMac1]

He was an average athlete at best, to me you're overselling Miller's athleticism and underselling Booker's, but meh, whatevs.

Wow! I really believe people just like picking fights with me. I said Booker athleticism wasn't elite but he would be better than Klay at play-making. Then a guy says Reggie made it to HOF by shooting J's, and I said Reggie would dunk on you and could handle the rock......

How did that over sell Reggie and undersell Booker?! Sometimes.........smh. Then you said Reggie was average at BEST....again smh...

Reggie was pretty unathletic by NBA standards but he was a deadly jump shooter who knew how to get open by using screens well.

His lack of athleticism stopped him from being elite with the likes of Kobe or MJ though on the plus side he had longevity because he didn't rely on jumping ability to play at a high level.




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So you are saying he was below the mean? Please provide me players above, at, and below the NBA mean or median for athletic standards. Trying to discuss this without a measuring stick is so difficult, because you are going to see what you want to see, but let me hear your definition, then I can refute what you say. Bird was nonathletic by NBA means, so you are saying Reggie was like Bird? Or Jordan was athletic, so you are saying because he wasn't Jordan he wasn't athletic.

I never said he was a great athlete by NBA standards, but he damn sure wasn't below average or unathletic. I like how you brought up Kobe and Jordan to show how "unathletic" he was. He had longevity because he didn't rely on jumping ability? Kobe lasted for how long? Vince Carter? Grant Hill?


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsGemg3V6BE[/youtube]

If that guy was a below average or an unathletic NBA athlete by NBA athlete standards, please show me average. I watched Reggie Miller play games, not a bunch of highlights like that that only displays his shooting. If you had watched him play entire games, you wouldn't call him below average. He was a C plus. Jordan A, Barkley B, Bird a D. Today's game Westbrook A, Old Mello B, Harden C, Z Bo D.......

What's your list?

[garrick]

Wow! I really believe people just like picking fights with me. I said Booker athleticism wasn't elite but he would be better than Klay at play-making. Then a guy says Reggie made it to HOF by shooting J's, and I said Reggie would dunk on you and could handle the rock......

How did that over sell Reggie and undersell Booker?! Sometimes.........smh. Then you said Reggie was average at BEST....again smh...

Reggie was pretty unathletic by NBA standards but he was a deadly jump shooter who knew how to get open by using screens well.

His lack of athleticism stopped him from being elite with the likes of Kobe or MJ though on the plus side he had longevity because he didn't rely on jumping ability to play at a high level.




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So you are saying he was below the mean? Please provide me players above, at, and below the NBA mean or median for athletic standards. Trying to discuss this without a measuring stick is so difficult, because you are going to see what you want to see, but let me hear your definition, then I can refute what you say. Bird was nonathletic by NBA means, so you are saying Reggie was like Bird? Or Jordan was athletic, so you are saying because he wasn't Jordan he wasn't athletic.

I never said he was a great athlete by NBA standards, but he damn sure wasn't below average or unathletic. I like how you brought up Kobe and Jordan to show how "unathletic" he was. He had longevity because he didn't rely on jumping ability? Kobe lasted for how long? Vince Carter? Grant Hill?


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsGemg3V6BE[/youtube]

If that guy was a below average or an unathletic NBA athlete by NBA athlete standards, please show me average. I watched Reggie Miller play games, not a bunch of highlights like that that only displays his shooting. If you had watched him play entire games, you wouldn't call him below average. He was a C plus. Jordan A, Barkley B, Bird a D. Today's game Westbrook A, Old Mello B, Harden C, Z Bo D.......

What's your list?

I don't know how you can rate Barkley a B when he was a 6'4 PF with amazing hops and strength he was definitely an A at least.

From the SG class the elite athleticism would be the likes of Kobe, Ray Allen, MJ, Drexler, Westbrook, Wade, Jason Richardson.

I suppose average is hard to define but it would be a tier lower than the guys I mentioned above but maybe I'll compile a short list of them later.

[jcsunsfan]

Reggie was pretty unathletic by NBA standards but he was a deadly jump shooter who knew how to get open by using screens well.

His lack of athleticism stopped him from being elite with the likes of Kobe or MJ though on the plus side he had longevity because he didn't rely on jumping ability to play at a high level.




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So you are saying he was below the mean? Please provide me players above, at, and below the NBA mean or median for athletic standards. Trying to discuss this without a measuring stick is so difficult, because you are going to see what you want to see, but let me hear your definition, then I can refute what you say. Bird was nonathletic by NBA means, so you are saying Reggie was like Bird? Or Jordan was athletic, so you are saying because he wasn't Jordan he wasn't athletic.

I never said he was a great athlete by NBA standards, but he damn sure wasn't below average or unathletic. I like how you brought up Kobe and Jordan to show how "unathletic" he was. He had longevity because he didn't rely on jumping ability? Kobe lasted for how long? Vince Carter? Grant Hill?


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsGemg3V6BE[/youtube]

If that guy was a below average or an unathletic NBA athlete by NBA athlete standards, please show me average. I watched Reggie Miller play games, not a bunch of highlights like that that only displays his shooting. If you had watched him play entire games, you wouldn't call him below average. He was a C plus. Jordan A, Barkley B, Bird a D. Today's game Westbrook A, Old Mello B, Harden C, Z Bo D.......

What's your list?

I don't know how you can rate Barkley a B when he was a 6'4 PF with amazing hops and strength he was definitely an A at least.

From the SG class the elite athleticism would be the likes of Kobe, Ray Allen, MJ, Drexler, Westbrook, Wade, Jason Richardson.

I suppose average is hard to define but it would be a tier lower than the guys I mentioned above but maybe I'll compile a short list of them later.

Barkley was one of the most athletic players ever to put on an NBA uni. We all knew he was 6-4 but on the court it always seemed like he was taller than everyone else.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKmpQyo9muU[/youtube]

[JMac1]

Reggie was pretty unathletic by NBA standards but he was a deadly jump shooter who knew how to get open by using screens well.

His lack of athleticism stopped him from being elite with the likes of Kobe or MJ though on the plus side he had longevity because he didn't rely on jumping ability to play at a high level.




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So you are saying he was below the mean? Please provide me players above, at, and below the NBA mean or median for athletic standards. Trying to discuss this without a measuring stick is so difficult, because you are going to see what you want to see, but let me hear your definition, then I can refute what you say. Bird was nonathletic by NBA means, so you are saying Reggie was like Bird? Or Jordan was athletic, so you are saying because he wasn't Jordan he wasn't athletic.

I never said he was a great athlete by NBA standards, but he damn sure wasn't below average or unathletic. I like how you brought up Kobe and Jordan to show how "unathletic" he was. He had longevity because he didn't rely on jumping ability? Kobe lasted for how long? Vince Carter? Grant Hill?


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsGemg3V6BE[/youtube]

If that guy was a below average or an unathletic NBA athlete by NBA athlete standards, please show me average. I watched Reggie Miller play games, not a bunch of highlights like that that only displays his shooting. If you had watched him play entire games, you wouldn't call him below average. He was a C plus. Jordan A, Barkley B, Bird a D. Today's game Westbrook A, Old Mello B, Harden C, Z Bo D.......

What's your list?

I don't know how you can rate Barkley a B when he was a 6'4 PF with amazing hops and strength he was definitely an A at least.

From the SG class the elite athleticism would be the likes of Kobe, Ray Allen, MJ, Drexler, Westbrook, Wade, Jason Richardson.

I suppose average is hard to define but it would be a tier lower than the guys I mentioned above but maybe I'll compile a short list of them later.

Yea, please provide me your list. I gave you an A thru D, providing all A's is pretty easy. Ray Allen wouldn't be on my A list. Barkley is a B because he was an explosive jumper but not quick and agile. He was a brute but not in the same class as Kobe and Westbrook and Jordan and Nique and J Richardson, I mean really? Barkley is on Jordan's level.........?

You and the other guy can't differentiate, either an A or bust......

[SunsFanSSOL]

Booker has been terrible lately.

[Bogyo]

Booker has been terrible lately.

Agreed.
But 19yrs old, hitting the rookie wall, while trying to carry a team with the best wing defender of any opponent trying to shut him down, and he has no help whatsoever. Hope this doesn't discourage him. I would like to see a bit more assists, but that would require the others to make some shots, or move well without the ball. Not happening this year I m afraid.
Hopefully youngin is working on his defence and his ballhandling.

[thamadkant]

Ive said something about Booker needing open looks to get good looks to the rim.

He simply isnt Curry like... Nor Klay like... Well not like Klay yet as a shooter.

I get criticized for it.. But i mentioned Booker being a rich man's Reddick.. With a bit of Beal thrown in there.
He needs open looks... He isnt atheletic enough to get a good enough seperation to get a good look away from defenders. He has high IQ and mature though.

Also when Booker and Goodwin was taking 15 plus shots each and offense was going through them.... They looked good together. But now... Teletovic taking almost all the shots is leaving Booker with less open looks.

He is also being scouted...but there is definitely a big drop in him getting quality looks lately...

[DRK]

The best thing about Booker is that the entire fanbase will REVOLT if hes relegated to the bench role next season when Knight and Bledsoe return from injury.

My money is on Knight being traded to avoid death threats to the FO, coaching staff and ownership from the fans.

[Bogyo]

Ive said something about Booker needing open looks to get good looks to the rim.

He simply isnt Curry like... Nor Klay like... Well not like Klay yet as a shooter.

I get criticized for it.. But i mentioned Booker being a rich man's Reddick.. With a bit of Beal thrown in there.
He needs open looks... He isnt atheletic enough to get a good enough seperation to get a good look away from defenders. He has high IQ and mature though.

Also when Booker and Goodwin was taking 15 plus shots each and offense was going through them.... They looked good together. But now... Teletovic taking almost all the shots is leaving Booker with less open looks.

He is also being scouted...but there is definitely a big drop in him getting quality looks lately...

Well, the athleticism part should/will get a bit better with adding a bit more lean muscle with training and diet. Book still has babyfat on his cheeks.
So still: the sky is the limit!

[jcsunsfan]

So you are saying he was below the mean? Please provide me players above, at, and below the NBA mean or median for athletic standards. Trying to discuss this without a measuring stick is so difficult, because you are going to see what you want to see, but let me hear your definition, then I can refute what you say. Bird was nonathletic by NBA means, so you are saying Reggie was like Bird? Or Jordan was athletic, so you are saying because he wasn't Jordan he wasn't athletic.

I never said he was a great athlete by NBA standards, but he damn sure wasn't below average or unathletic. I like how you brought up Kobe and Jordan to show how "unathletic" he was. He had longevity because he didn't rely on jumping ability? Kobe lasted for how long? Vince Carter? Grant Hill?


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsGemg3V6BE[/youtube]

If that guy was a below average or an unathletic NBA athlete by NBA athlete standards, please show me average. I watched Reggie Miller play games, not a bunch of highlights like that that only displays his shooting. If you had watched him play entire games, you wouldn't call him below average. He was a C plus. Jordan A, Barkley B, Bird a D. Today's game Westbrook A, Old Mello B, Harden C, Z Bo D.......

What's your list?

I don't know how you can rate Barkley a B when he was a 6'4 PF with amazing hops and strength he was definitely an A at least.

From the SG class the elite athleticism would be the likes of Kobe, Ray Allen, MJ, Drexler, Westbrook, Wade, Jason Richardson.

I suppose average is hard to define but it would be a tier lower than the guys I mentioned above but maybe I'll compile a short list of them later.

Yea, please provide me your list. I gave you an A thru D, providing all A's is pretty easy. Ray Allen wouldn't be on my A list. Barkley is a B because he was an explosive jumper but not quick and agile. He was a brute but not in the same class as Kobe and Westbrook and Jordan and Nique and J Richardson, I mean really? Barkley is on Jordan's level.........?

You and the other guy can't differentiate, either an A or bust......

Yes Barkley was on Jordan's level athletically. Let me put it this way. There were some ways in which Jordan was not on Barkley's level athletically in some ways and vice versa. Strength is part of athleticism. If you don't think so, we need to stop talking because we are speaking differently languages.

[MathiasPW]

[/quote] If you don't think so, we need to stop talking because we are speaking differently languages.[/quote]

YES PLEASE!

[ATTL]

I wouldn't mind if book went back to the bench and let him play more against reserves again to get some of his mojo back.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Just a bit of a reality check.

Being a JJ Redick type for 10 years as your floor isn't bad for a pick 13.

[aIvin adams]

The best thing about Booker is that the entire fanbase will REVOLT if hes relegated to the bench role next season when Knight and Bledsoe return from injury.

My money is on Knight being traded to avoid death threats to the FO, coaching staff and ownership from the fans.

sorry but i wouldn't mind at all if Booker comes off the bench next year

anybody who can't play close to average defense doesn't 'deserve' to start. i'd be surprised if he felt slighted by a return to the bench if bledsoe and knight were healthy

that said.. i long for the day when Booker owns a starting spot over Knight. i long for it.

[Bogyo]

The best thing about Booker is that the entire fanbase will REVOLT if hes relegated to the bench role next season when Knight and Bledsoe return from injury.

My money is on Knight being traded to avoid death threats to the FO, coaching staff and ownership from the fans.

sorry but i wouldn't mind at all if Booker comes off the bench next year

anybody who can't play close to average defense doesn't 'deserve' to start. i'd be surprised if he felt slighted by a return to the bench if bledsoe and knight were healthy

that said.. i long for the day when Booker owns a starting spot over Knight. i long for it.

Plus we should have at least 20 (more like 25) minutes for him even off the bench if Bled and Knight play the 1 different times.

[Damkac]

anybody who can't play close to average defense doesn't 'deserve' to start.

Whole Suns team should come off the bench then

[JMac1]

I don't know how you can rate Barkley a B when he was a 6'4 PF with amazing hops and strength he was definitely an A at least.

From the SG class the elite athleticism would be the likes of Kobe, Ray Allen, MJ, Drexler, Westbrook, Wade, Jason Richardson.

I suppose average is hard to define but it would be a tier lower than the guys I mentioned above but maybe I'll compile a short list of them later.

Yea, please provide me your list. I gave you an A thru D, providing all A's is pretty easy. Ray Allen wouldn't be on my A list. Barkley is a B because he was an explosive jumper but not quick and agile. He was a brute but not in the same class as Kobe and Westbrook and Jordan and Nique and J Richardson, I mean really? Barkley is on Jordan's level.........?

You and the other guy can't differentiate, either an A or bust......

Yes Barkley was on Jordan's level athletically. Let me put it this way. There were some ways in which Jordan was not on Barkley's level athletically in some ways and vice versa. Strength is part of athleticism. If you don't think so, we need to stop talking because we are speaking differently languages.

Yea I am speaking the language of a former div 1 college football player and track athlete and current coach of both sports and first cousin and nephew of former NFL players, so please educate me on athleticism....

Barkley on Jordan's Kobe's Westbrook and James, and Richardson's level.....yea we are definitely speaking differently languages. But but he was strong and could jump.

Btw no one has told me who is above average and average yet. We got the best though, the easiest assessment there is.

Sometimes I don't know why I waste my time on here......

[JMac1]

Ive said something about Booker needing open looks to get good looks to the rim.

He simply isnt Curry like... Nor Klay like... Well not like Klay yet as a shooter.

I get criticized for it.. But i mentioned Booker being a rich man's Reddick.. With a bit of Beal thrown in there.
He needs open looks... He isnt atheletic enough to get a good enough seperation to get a good look away from defenders. He has high IQ and mature though.

Also when Booker and Goodwin was taking 15 plus shots each and offense was going through them.... They looked good together. But now... Teletovic taking almost all the shots is leaving Booker with less open looks.

He is also being scouted...but there is definitely a big drop in him getting quality looks lately...

Yea, ok.

[bwgood77]

Yea, please provide me your list. I gave you an A thru D, providing all A's is pretty easy. Ray Allen wouldn't be on my A list. Barkley is a B because he was an explosive jumper but not quick and agile. He was a brute but not in the same class as Kobe and Westbrook and Jordan and Nique and J Richardson, I mean really? Barkley is on Jordan's level.........?

You and the other guy can't differentiate, either an A or bust......

Yes Barkley was on Jordan's level athletically. Let me put it this way. There were some ways in which Jordan was not on Barkley's level athletically in some ways and vice versa. Strength is part of athleticism. If you don't think so, we need to stop talking because we are speaking differently languages.

Yea I am speaking the language of a former div 1 college football player and track athlete and current coach of both sports and first cousin and nephew of former NFL players, so please educate me on athleticism....

Barkley on Jordan's Kobe's Westbrook and James, and Richardson's level.....yea we are definitely speaking differently languages. But but he was strong and could jump.

Btw no one has told me who is above average and average yet. We got the best though, the easiest assessment there is.

Sometimes I don't know why I waste my time on here......

All NBA players are well above average athletically. You pretty much have to be an A level athlete to be in the NBA unless you are a top .0000001% shooter or are around 7 ft tall or more.

But to be an all star and especially a multi-year all star you are an A level athlete.