Game 7: Phoenix Suns (3-3) @ Oklahoma City Thunder (3-3)

[Revived]

If not Wilson Chandler, another guy I'd like to see us try and acquire is Evan Fournier.

He's the one that I wanted over Kendall Marshall back in that 2012 draft and I honestly think he has a lot of potential to a pretty special player.

Tony Snell is another player who would be a HUGE upgrade over Tucker. Snell's a better defender and a much better shooter and also younger.

[bwgood77]

If not Wilson Chandler, another guy I'd like to see us try and acquire is Evan Fournier.

He's the one that I wanted over Kendall Marshall back in that 2012 draft and I honestly think he has a lot of potential to a pretty special player.

Tony Snell is another player who would be a HUGE upgrade over Tucker. Snell's a better defender and a much better shooter and also younger.

He is balling. I survey all stats usually in general but especially now that I do two fantasy leagues. He would be the perfect second guard next to like Bledsoe (based on his stats...I admit I haven't watched him much..so that's a guess...and he may benefit by being among the most experienced on a young team, but regardless, he's balling). Not sure how he shoots from the outside though.

[Revived]

If not Wilson Chandler, another guy I'd like to see us try and acquire is Evan Fournier.

He's the one that I wanted over Kendall Marshall back in that 2012 draft and I honestly think he has a lot of potential to a pretty special player.

Tony Snell is another player who would be a HUGE upgrade over Tucker. Snell's a better defender and a much better shooter and also younger.

He is balling. I survey all stats usually in general but especially now that I do two fantasy leagues. He would be the perfect second guard next to like Bledsoe (based on his stats...I admit I haven't watched him much..so that's a guess...and he may benefit by being among the most experienced on a young team, but regardless, he's balling). Not sure how he shoots from the outside though.

He's shooting 38% on 4 3pt attempts per game. That would obviously much more impressive and better than Tucker's 40% 3pt shooting on 2 3pt attempts per game.

[bwgood77]

If not Wilson Chandler, another guy I'd like to see us try and acquire is Evan Fournier.

He's the one that I wanted over Kendall Marshall back in that 2012 draft and I honestly think he has a lot of potential to a pretty special player.

Tony Snell is another player who would be a HUGE upgrade over Tucker. Snell's a better defender and a much better shooter and also younger.

He is balling. I survey all stats usually in general but especially now that I do two fantasy leagues. He would be the perfect second guard next to like Bledsoe (based on his stats...I admit I haven't watched him much..so that's a guess...and he may benefit by being among the most experienced on a young team, but regardless, he's balling). Not sure how he shoots from the outside though.

He's shooting 38% on 4 3pt attempts per game. That would obviously much more impressive and better than Tucker's 40% 3pt shooting on 2 3pt attempts per game.

Well I'm not sure he could play 3 but he has many more skills than just that based on box scores. I'm guessing PJ is the much better defender, but I'm not sure why we were comparing them.....I was just thinking he might be better and much cheaper than Knight was at the 2.

And are you not getting ready to watch the Chargers? You have to watch all games of disappointing teams.

[Revived]

He is balling. I survey all stats usually in general but especially now that I do two fantasy leagues. He would be the perfect second guard next to like Bledsoe (based on his stats...I admit I haven't watched him much..so that's a guess...and he may benefit by being among the most experienced on a young team, but regardless, he's balling). Not sure how he shoots from the outside though.

He's shooting 38% on 4 3pt attempts per game. That would obviously much more impressive and better than Tucker's 40% 3pt shooting on 2 3pt attempts per game.

Well I'm not sure he could play 3 but he has many more skills than just that based on box scores. I'm guessing PJ is the much better defender, but I'm not sure why we were comparing them.....I was just thinking he might be better and much cheaper than Knight was at the 2.

And are you not getting ready to watch the Chargers? You have to watch all games of disappointing teams.

I think Fournier plays the 3 for the Magic right now though I'm not sure if they switched and maybe Oladipo plays the 3 and Fournier plays the 2. Dipo's only 6'4 so I would doubt it.

Chargers are a lot more disappointing than the Suns. At least the Suns aren't wasting the prime years of an elite, future HOF player like Rivers. I saw the inactive list and half our O line isn't playing again. May god bless Phillip Rivers. I'm working an evening shift so I don't think I'll be watching the game because streaming football games is always laggy for me. Honestly though, I can't say that I would watch the game even if I was home either. I haven't a watched a full game since the Steelers game.

[bwgood77]

He's shooting 38% on 4 3pt attempts per game. That would obviously much more impressive and better than Tucker's 40% 3pt shooting on 2 3pt attempts per game.

Well I'm not sure he could play 3 but he has many more skills than just that based on box scores. I'm guessing PJ is the much better defender, but I'm not sure why we were comparing them.....I was just thinking he might be better and much cheaper than Knight was at the 2.

And are you not getting ready to watch the Chargers? You have to watch all games of disappointing teams.

I think Fournier plays the 3 for the Magic right now though I'm not sure if they switched and maybe Oladipo plays the 3 and Fournier plays the 2. Dipo's only 6'4 so I would doubt it.

Chargers are a lot more disappointing than the Suns. At least the Suns aren't wasting the prime years of an elite, future HOF player like Rivers. I saw the inactive list and half our O line isn't playing again. May god bless Phillip Rivers. I'm working an evening shift so I don't think I'll be watching the game because streaming football games is always laggy for me. Honestly though, I can't say that I would watch the game even if I was home either. I haven't a watched a full game since the Steelers game.

Wow I haven't missed a Chargers game in years. One of the great things about football is, that if you have a competitive team, anything can happen. I remember when the Chargers started 0-4 one year when I was in college and a guy was mocking them, and I said...sucks...now the best we can finish is 12-4. We finished 11-5. Also I remember a year we were 4-7 and I thought "well, if we win out their is a slight chance we make the playoffs" and that is exactly what we did. Also there was that year where we were 4-8 and finished 8-8 and won the division and knocked off Indy in the first round.

I don't think that will happen this year, but I don't count things out in football and especially Rivers.

[Revived]

Well I'm not sure he could play 3 but he has many more skills than just that based on box scores. I'm guessing PJ is the much better defender, but I'm not sure why we were comparing them.....I was just thinking he might be better and much cheaper than Knight was at the 2.

And are you not getting ready to watch the Chargers? You have to watch all games of disappointing teams.

I think Fournier plays the 3 for the Magic right now though I'm not sure if they switched and maybe Oladipo plays the 3 and Fournier plays the 2. Dipo's only 6'4 so I would doubt it.

Chargers are a lot more disappointing than the Suns. At least the Suns aren't wasting the prime years of an elite, future HOF player like Rivers. I saw the inactive list and half our O line isn't playing again. May god bless Phillip Rivers. I'm working an evening shift so I don't think I'll be watching the game because streaming football games is always laggy for me. Honestly though, I can't say that I would watch the game even if I was home either. I haven't a watched a full game since the Steelers game.

Wow I haven't missed a Chargers game in years. One of the great things about football is, that if you have a competitive team, anything can happen. I remember when the Chargers started 0-4 one year when I was in college and a guy was mocking them, and I said...sucks...now the best we can finish is 12-4. We finished 11-5. Also I remember a year we were 4-7 and I thought "well, if we win out their is a slight chance we make the playoffs" and that is exactly what we did. Also there was that year where we were 4-8 and finished 8-8 and won the division and knocked off Indy in the first round.

I don't think that will happen this year, but I don't count things out in football and especially Rivers.

I think playoffs are out of reach for the Chargers now. Their done really, they were probably done after that MNF against the Steelers.

Rivers is the only guy keeping the team even remotely competitive but even he can't carry the team by himself especially defensively.

[bwgood77]

I think playoffs are out of reach for the Chargers now. Their done really, they were probably done after that MNF against the Steelers.

Rivers is the only guy keeping the team even remotely competitive but even he can't carry the team by himself especially defensively.

Oh yeah, I think they are out of reach, but in the nfl, anything can happen. That Steelers loss was really deflating. Good start to tonight though.

[Revived]

I think playoffs are out of reach for the Chargers now. Their done really, they were probably done after that MNF against the Steelers.

Rivers is the only guy keeping the team even remotely competitive but even he can't carry the team by himself especially defensively.

Oh yeah, I think they are out of reach, but in the nfl, anything can happen. That Steelers loss was really deflating. Good start to tonight though.

The Beats are in full tank mode to try and get Goff similar to what Indy did for Luck so it wouldn't be a surprise to see the Chargers win easily.

[bwgood77]

I think playoffs are out of reach for the Chargers now. Their done really, they were probably done after that MNF against the Steelers.

Rivers is the only guy keeping the team even remotely competitive but even he can't carry the team by himself especially defensively.

Oh yeah, I think they are out of reach, but in the nfl, anything can happen. That Steelers loss was really deflating. Good start to tonight though.

The Beats are in full tank mode to try and get Goff similar to what Indy did for Luck so it wouldn't be a surprise to see the Chargers win easily.

Floyd just went out with injury and Inman just fumbled.

edit...well Verrett just intercepted and returned for a td. another edit...missed XP

[Frank Lee]

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In all seriousness, yes, Beal is the better player, but for anyone to suggest that Knight wouldn't start on any other teams in the league is ridiculous.

And as I posted a few days ago, the Suns are 'earmarked' for a 32 to 42 win season, depending on which media outlet you ask, and we are on pace for that right now.

Point being, why get upset? Frank and some others here have 'beat the drum' all offseason that McD and Horny need to be shown the door. If we keep up at this pace, you all might get your wish, so you all should be HAPPY, not SAD, because then we can get a better GM and/or Coach, just like you all wanted, AND this type of play proves your points, so there's that other nugget of goodness to go along with it, right?

Other than Myagi being chaffed, Who's upset ? This is just more of the same crap we are accustomed to.

Furthermore, I don't believe I have called for the firing of anyone, more so, pointed out that continuing non-success will jeopardize their jobs, so don't 'lump' me. Its no secret that I have questioned the roster shuffling of McD. This is his soup on the stove. We all don't have to like the broth. From the sound of Hornecek, he may be wincing from the bitter swill. (I think he's on ktar in the morning, and you know they'll ask him about his comment about vet players not knowing plays) Frankly, I think the strategy of compete and rebuild just doesn't mesh. Thats on Sarver. And I dislike our 2 PG/comboG line up. I'll give it 20 or so games in fairness, but somewhere down the line it either works well or you pull the plug.


And as far as the quality of 3 of our starters... Tucker, Knight, and MoBro... go ahead and try this exercise.

Make a list of 5 teams that would bench what they have for anyone of our trio. You may find it challenging to find starting roles for them, especially if you omitted the 2-3 bottom teams. I casually rated them in the bottom ten at their positions, marginally average at best. Agree or disagree? . And when you have 3 starters who are lower level talents, you will not go far. Now, Knight may improve, he has proven he can score, but so can 20 other SGs, We have seen the best of Tuck. I really do not believe we will ever see the best of Morris if he remains here.
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/depth-charts
Point is, our line up with these three in it lacks significant star talent. About every good team has a stud in at least one of those important slots. And if you rated them as a collective unit, where would they land ? I'm betting 2 of the 3 will not be starting for us come december.



Betting ? I meant hoping

[Revived]

Oh yeah, I think they are out of reach, but in the nfl, anything can happen. That Steelers loss was really deflating. Good start to tonight though.

The Beats are in full tank mode to try and get Goff similar to what Indy did for Luck so it wouldn't be a surprise to see the Chargers win easily.

Floyd just went out with injury and Inman just fumbled.

edit...well Verrett just intercepted and returned for a td. another edit...missed XP

I saw on Twitter that he's injured now too ...its been that type of season for the Chargers.

[MrMiyagi]

.......
In all seriousness, yes, Beal is the better player, but for anyone to suggest that Knight wouldn't start on any other teams in the league is ridiculous.

And as I posted a few days ago, the Suns are 'earmarked' for a 32 to 42 win season, depending on which media outlet you ask, and we are on pace for that right now.

Point being, why get upset? Frank and some others here have 'beat the drum' all offseason that McD and Horny need to be shown the door. If we keep up at this pace, you all might get your wish, so you all should be HAPPY, not SAD, because then we can get a better GM and/or Coach, just like you all wanted, AND this type of play proves your points, so there's that other nugget of goodness to go along with it, right?

Other than Myagi being chaffed, Who's upset ? This is just more of the same crap we are accustomed to.

Furthermore, I don't believe I have called for the firing of anyone, more so, pointed out that continuing non-success will jeopardize their jobs, so don't 'lump' me. Its no secret that I have questioned the roster shuffling of McD. This is his soup on the stove. We all don't have to like the broth. From the sound of Hornecek, he may be wincing from the bitter swill. (I think he's on ktar in the morning, and you know they'll ask him about his comment about vet players not knowing plays) Frankly, I think the strategy of compete and rebuild just doesn't mesh. Thats on Sarver. And I dislike our 2 PG/comboG line up. I'll give it 20 or so games in fairness, but somewhere down the line it either works well or you pull the plug.


And as far as the quality of 3 of our starters... Tucker, Knight, and MoBro... go ahead and try this exercise.

Make a list of 5 teams that would bench what they have for anyone of our trio. You may find it challenging to find starting roles for them, especially if you omitted the 2-3 bottom teams. I casually rated them in the bottom ten at their positions, marginally average at best. Agree or disagree? . And when you have 3 starters who are lower level talents, you will not go far. Now, Knight may improve, he has proven he can score, but so can 20 other SGs, We have seen the best of Tuck. I really do not believe we will ever see the best of Morris if he remains here.
http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/depth-charts
Point is, our line up with these three in it lacks significant star talent. About every good team has a stud in at least one of those important slots. And if you rated them as a collective unit, where would they land ? I'm betting 2 of the 3 will not be starting for us come december.



Betting ? I meant hoping

Name the 20 other 2 guards who can score, assist and rebound as well as Knight. Frank you love to deflect evidence to everyone else, but never provide any yourself. Where are your lists of players you have above Knight and Kieff? Scared of a little ridicule?

[Frank Lee]

Pick and choose your snideness. Yeah, there are a lot of scorers in this league. You should know being the stat guru you are.

My comments were about Knight starting (Tucker and Kief), not just scoring... so here is a quick run through. Since you prefer eye pokes over answers.


Boston... Avery Bradley... don't think he'd start over him...there is that thing called defense too.
Brooklyn... Yes.. if you keep Joe Johnson at SF... My sister could likely start there.
Charlotte... Hairston...hmmm yes Knight would get the nod, but his minutes would be challenged by upcoming Lamb
Chicago... Butler... not a chance
Cleveland... racked with injury ... but with a healthy Shumpert... I don't think so
Dallas.... Mathews ... Nope
Denver... they really like Gary Harris. Brandon would be wasting development minutes ...so no
Detroit... Kaldwell Pope... another kid starting to come on... why would they start Knight ? Would they?
GState... Thompson... you figure it out
Houston... Thorton... jeez.. pretty good stats... that ought to at least impress you
Indiana... combination of Ellis and Stuckey... knight would have a hard time sitting down one of them.
LAClips... Reddick and Crawford... can't see Knight getting much play there either
LAFlakes...this kid Clarkson is pretty good. Knight might give back up Lou Williams a run for second fiddle
Memphis... CLee... you think they'd swap him for Knight ? I don't.
Miami... Dwade... till he's done
Milw... Middleton... not my choice, it was Kidd's
Minnesota... Wiggins and KMartin... um... keep your street clothes on Brandon
NO... EGordon... kind of a Knight clone stat wise... minus the TOs
NewYork... ooo.. got me there.... until Affalo is ready
OKC... Waiters / Roberson ... why would they want another chucker?
Orlando ... Oladipo.. not now, not tomorrow... never
Philly... jeez.. what a mess they are, but its intentional.... OK.. have at it Brandon
Portland... CJ McCollum... brandon who ?
Sacramento... yes ... knight by default
SanAnt... DGreen and Mano... can't see Knight doing much there. Not this yr anyway.
Toronto.. DeRozan... sorry BKnight... number Tooney up there
Utah... would Knight beat out a healthy Burks ?? toss up
Washington... Beal... hmmm... just go ask them

On my count... Knight is a bench player for most of the league. Could start for 4 or 5 teams. May be we should call him a PG and see if he fairs better? Now you do one for Kief smarty pants.



PS... BTW... feel free to dispute my opinions above

[MrMiyagi]

Pick and choose your snideness. Yeah, there are a lot of scorers in this league. You should know being the stat guru you are.

My comments were about Knight starting (Tucker and Kief), not just scoring... so here is a quick run through. Since you prefer eye pokes over answers.


Boston... Avery Bradley... don't think he'd start over him...there is that thing called defense too.
Brooklyn... Yes.. if you keep Joe Johnson at SF... My sister could likely start there.
Charlotte... Hairston...hmmm yes Knight would get the nod, but his minutes would be challenged by upcoming Lamb
Chicago... Butler... not a chance
Cleveland... racked with injury ... but with a healthy Shumpert... I don't think so
Dallas.... Mathews ... Nope
Denver... they really like Gary Harris. Brandon would be wasting development minutes ...so no
Detroit... Kaldwell Pope... another kid starting to come on... why would they start Knight ? Would they?
GState... Thompson... you figure it out
Houston... Thorton... jeez.. pretty good stats... that ought to at least impress you
Indiana... combination of Ellis and Stuckey... knight would have a hard time sitting down one of them.
LAClips... Reddick and Crawford... can't see Knight getting much play there either
LAFlakes...this kid Clarkson is pretty good. Knight might give back up Lou Williams a run for second fiddle
Memphis... CLee... you think they'd swap him for Knight ? I don't.
Miami... Dwade... till he's done
Milw... Middleton... not my choice, it was Kidd's
Minnesota... Wiggins and KMartin... um... keep your street clothes on Brandon
NO... EGordon... kind of a Knight clone stat wise... minus the TOs
NewYork... ooo.. got me there.... until Affalo is ready
OKC... Waiters / Roberson ... why would they want another chucker?
Orlando ... Oladipo.. not now, not tomorrow... never
Philly... jeez.. what a mess they are, but its intentional.... OK.. have at it Brandon
Portland... CJ McCollum... brandon who ?
Sacramento... yes ... knight by default
SanAnt... DGreen and Mano... can't see Knight doing much there. Not this yr anyway.
Toronto.. DeRozan... sorry BKnight... number Tooney up there
Utah... would Knight beat out a healthy Burks ?? toss up
Washington... Beal... hmmm... just go ask them

On my count... Knight is a bench player for most of the league. Could start for 4 or 5 teams. May be we should call him a PG and see if he fairs better? Now you do one for Kief smarty pants.



PS... BTW... feel free to dispute my opinions above

So, you're saying taking Courtney Lee, Jeremy Lamb, Gary Harris, Iman Shumpert, Alec Burks, Marcus Thorton, Avery Bradley, Eric Gordon and Kevin Martin (who can't stay on a basketball court), KCP, Monta Ellis, Rodney Stuck, Andre Roberson, Dion Waiters, Danny Green and Manu over Brandon Knight. You would trade Brandon Knight for those players? Missing Atlanta, but I'm assuming Thabo Sefolosha is good value for Knight as well.

Frank you are truly ridiculous.

[Grots]

Frank would loathe 3/4s of those guys after a couple games in a Suns uni.

Like, seriously, Jamal Crawford? Kevin Martin? Guys who aren't even good bench players anymore. Guys who can't do anything except score--if they're hot.

[MrMiyagi]

Frank would loathe half those guys after a couple games in a Suns uni.

Like, seriously, Jamal Crawford? Kevin Martin? Guys who aren't even good bench players anymore. Guys who can't do anything except score--if they're hot.

I'm patiently awaiting the technicality of Brandon Knight's fit with those rosters, as opposed to the level of players they are. Which is kind of bullsh*t

[MrMiyagi]

Frank would loathe 3/4s of those guys after a couple games in a Suns uni.

Like, seriously, Jamal Crawford? Kevin Martin? Guys who aren't even good bench players anymore. Guys who can't do anything except score--if they're hot.

Dude can't stand Archie Goodwin, but he'd trade Knight for Gary Harris.....

[NTB]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/royceyoung/status/663556564314230784[/tweet]

Lol Bledsoe has really changed in a good way. He was shy and non-talkative, look what we have here now.

[RaisingArizona]

Pick and choose your snideness. Yeah, there are a lot of scorers in this league. You should know being the stat guru you are.

My comments were about Knight starting (Tucker and Kief), not just scoring... so here is a quick run through. Since you prefer eye pokes over answers.


Boston... Avery Bradley... don't think he'd start over him...there is that thing called defense too.
Brooklyn... Yes.. if you keep Joe Johnson at SF... My sister could likely start there.
Charlotte... Hairston...hmmm yes Knight would get the nod, but his minutes would be challenged by upcoming Lamb
Chicago... Butler... not a chance
Cleveland... racked with injury ... but with a healthy Shumpert... I don't think so
Dallas.... Mathews ... Nope
Denver... they really like Gary Harris. Brandon would be wasting development minutes ...so no
Detroit... Kaldwell Pope... another kid starting to come on... why would they start Knight ? Would they?
GState... Thompson... you figure it out
Houston... Thorton... jeez.. pretty good stats... that ought to at least impress you
Indiana... combination of Ellis and Stuckey... knight would have a hard time sitting down one of them.
LAClips... Reddick and Crawford... can't see Knight getting much play there either
LAFlakes...this kid Clarkson is pretty good. Knight might give back up Lou Williams a run for second fiddle
Memphis... CLee... you think they'd swap him for Knight ? I don't.
Miami... Dwade... till he's done
Milw... Middleton... not my choice, it was Kidd's
Minnesota... Wiggins and KMartin... um... keep your street clothes on Brandon
NO... EGordon... kind of a Knight clone stat wise... minus the TOs
NewYork... ooo.. got me there.... until Affalo is ready
OKC... Waiters / Roberson ... why would they want another chucker?
Orlando ... Oladipo.. not now, not tomorrow... never
Philly... jeez.. what a mess they are, but its intentional.... OK.. have at it Brandon
Portland... CJ McCollum... brandon who ?
Sacramento... yes ... knight by default
SanAnt... DGreen and Mano... can't see Knight doing much there. Not this yr anyway.
Toronto.. DeRozan... sorry BKnight... number Tooney up there
Utah... would Knight beat out a healthy Burks ?? toss up
Washington... Beal... hmmm... just go ask them

On my count... Knight is a bench player for most of the league. Could start for 4 or 5 teams. May be we should call him a PG and see if he fairs better? Now you do one for Kief smarty pants.


PS... BTW... feel free to dispute my opinions above :eyebrows:

This is my big takeaway from Frank's post. Care to introduce us, Franky?