Game 32: Philadelphia 76ers (1-30) at Phoenix Suns (12-19) - Game of Turnovers

[thamadkant]

I've butted heads with Frank a lot about the "tanking" days 2-3 season ago.... but last season and this season, I actually agree with him with his thoughts on the Suns.

Look, STATS and other numbers (without context) might show the Suns arent too bad, but visually on the court... its just ugly.


I wonder where he is now, he was a heavy critic of this team as structured.... well, now he should be here telling everyone who put his opinions down that he was right lol.

[Revived]

AND HERE'S THE WINNER!!!!

[blacksun]

Check this out. New Orleans will almost certainly pass us, and I don't know if this has accounted for the Portland game yet. Minnesota may finish better than us too. But despite those things having not occurred yet, our chances are pretty good at getting a high pick.

http://www.tankathon.com/

I just realized we have the longest losing streak in the league now. Wow.

Also as you said, we got a pretty good chance to finish with the 4th worst record.

Trade Chandler, Tucker, Morris to LA or BKN and maybe we move down to third worst

[grumpysaddle]

[grumpysaddle]

I think I'm gonna go the BW route and say I want Hornacek to stay.

Honestly speaking, best thing for this franchise right now is to suck ass and we all get together for the lottery at a local church and pray together that the Suns win the lotto and get Simmons.

That's literally the only way I see the Suns coming out of this mess in the next 2 or 3 years.

If we fire Hornacek and it sparks some sort of pointless energy and we win some pointless games, we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot more.

So think about it, do you really want that or wouldn't you just stay PAT and continue this and hopefully watch Booker and Warren develop into something throughout the season?

If a god existed... it would totally care about a children's game played by adult millionaires...

[thamadkant]

I think I'm gonna go the BW route and say I want Hornacek to stay.

Honestly speaking, best thing for this franchise right now is to suck ass and we all get together for the lottery at a local church and pray together that the Suns win the lotto and get Simmons.

That's literally the only way I see the Suns coming out of this mess in the next 2 or 3 years.

If we fire Hornacek and it sparks some sort of pointless energy and we win some pointless games, we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot more.

So think about it, do you really want that or wouldn't you just stay PAT and continue this and hopefully watch Booker and Warren develop into something throughout the season?

I agree with you.

Although my post on the previous page suggested to get a new coach and system, thats more so for NEXT season....

This season needs to be the reckoning... evidence that you cannot play small ball without the correct players... you just cannot tell players to keep jacking shots within 3 seconds of the 24 second shot clock and hope it hits.

Even if Hornacek NEVER instructed to run and gun... he sort of promotes it BY NOT holding players accountable.

[Scutt]

Don't worry guys, the season is not lost. There is still a chance we right the ship and get close to that illustrious 8th seed. I hope that Robert Sarver and the front office are enjoying this season so far. It serves them right for trying to sell Suns fans, with straight faces, that all this roster needed was a bunch of 30 year old role players to be a playoff team. You need stars to compete in the NBA, yet our crappy team blindly insists otherwise. Bring on the losses if it means the Suns will trade Morris, Tucker, and Chandler, and start developing their young players. I have been waiting since Nash left for them to do so.

Now that you mention it, it is weird they don't want stars on the team.

I should have rephrased that, they refuse to take the most realistic chance a small to mid market team has at landing a game changing talent, that is getting a few top 10 picks. Obviously they also need to have luck, draft smart and actually give the players opportunities to play through their mistakes and growing pains.

I am tired of watching this team try and compete for a playoff spot with no all stars on the roster, while the front office sells us fans on the idea of bringing in a disgruntled star through a trade or FA. Like a couple of years ago they were boasting about getting a meeting with Lebrons agent. Then last season they foolishly gave 40 million to a 35 year old Tyson Chandler, on the chance it might help lure Aldridge. I would rather just see the Suns roll the dice with playing Booker, Warren, Len, and Goodwin heavy minutes. I enjoy watching those guys and at least they have some potential to be more than role players, even if small. Maybe the Suns could draft their own game changing talent, if they fail they can always go back to what they are doing now.

[bwgood77]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRzzSHRAGYk[/youtube]

[AtheJ415]

Don't worry guys, the season is not lost. There is still a chance we right the ship and get close to that illustrious 8th seed. I hope that Robert Sarver and the front office are enjoying this season so far. It serves them right for trying to sell Suns fans, with straight faces, that all this roster needed was a bunch of 30 year old role players to be a playoff team. You need stars to compete in the NBA, yet our crappy team blindly insists otherwise. Bring on the losses if it means the Suns will trade Morris, Tucker, and Chandler, and start developing their young players. I have been waiting since Nash left for them to do so.

Now that you mention it, it is weird they don't want stars on the team.

I should have rephrased that, they refuse to take the most realistic chance a small to mid market team has at landing a game changing talent, that is getting a few top 10 picks. Obviously they also need to have luck, draft smart and actually give the players opportunities to play through their mistakes and growing pains.

I am tired of watching this team try and compete for a playoff spot with no all stars on the roster, while the front office sells us fans on the idea of bringing in a disgruntled star through a trade or FA. Like a couple of years ago they were boasting about getting a meeting with Lebrons agent. Then last season they foolishly gave 40 million to a 35 year old Tyson Chandler, on the chance it might help lure Aldridge. I would rather just see the Suns roll the dice with playing Booker, Warren, Len, and Goodwin heavy minutes. I enjoy watching those guys and at least they have some potential to be more than role players, even if small. Maybe the Suns could draft their own game changing talent, if they fail they can always go back to what they are doing now.

We have arguably drafted top 5 players in all of the last 3 drafts. Pick number doesn't really matter. Who you draft is what matters.

And with Aldridge I do think this team is much better, but if we move Chandler without having to give up anything additional, then who really cares? I think it's one thing if we stick with him for 4 years, but the net result very well may be trading him for an expiring and a pick, in which case we just paid $14 mil for a draft pick.

[Revived]

I agree with you.

Although my post on the previous page suggested to get a new coach and system, thats more so for NEXT season....

This season needs to be the reckoning... evidence that you cannot play small ball without the correct players... you just cannot tell players to keep jacking shots within 3 seconds of the 24 second shot clock and hope it hits.

Even if Hornacek NEVER instructed to run and gun... he sort of promotes it BY NOT holding players accountable.

I should have rephrased that, they refuse to take the most realistic chance a small to mid market team has at landing a game changing talent, that is getting a few top 10 picks. Obviously they also need to have luck, draft smart and actually give the players opportunities to play through their mistakes and growing pains.

I am tired of watching this team try and compete for a playoff spot with no all stars on the roster, while the front office sells us fans on the idea of bringing in a disgruntled star through a trade or FA. Like a couple of years ago they were boasting about getting a meeting with Lebrons agent. Then last season they foolishly gave 40 million to a 35 year old Tyson Chandler, on the chance it might help lure Aldridge. I would rather just see the Suns roll the dice with playing Booker, Warren, Len, and Goodwin heavy minutes. I enjoy watching those guys and at least they have some potential to be more than role players, even if small. Maybe the Suns could draft their own game changing talent, if they fail they can always go back to what they are doing now.

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[bwgood77]

Don't worry guys, the season is not lost. There is still a chance we right the ship and get close to that illustrious 8th seed. I hope that Robert Sarver and the front office are enjoying this season so far. It serves them right for trying to sell Suns fans, with straight faces, that all this roster needed was a bunch of 30 year old role players to be a playoff team. You need stars to compete in the NBA, yet our crappy team blindly insists otherwise. Bring on the losses if it means the Suns will trade Morris, Tucker, and Chandler, and start developing their young players. I have been waiting since Nash left for them to do so.

Now that you mention it, it is weird they don't want stars on the team.

I should have rephrased that, they refuse to take the most realistic chance a small to mid market team has at landing a game changing talent, that is getting a few top 10 picks. Obviously they also need to have luck, draft smart and actually give the players opportunities to play through their mistakes and growing pains.

I am tired of watching this team try and compete for a playoff spot with no all stars on the roster, while the front office sells us fans on the idea of bringing in a disgruntled star through a trade or FA. Like a couple of years ago they were boasting about getting a meeting with Lebrons agent. Then last season they foolishly gave 40 million to a 35 year old Tyson Chandler, on the chance it might help lure Aldridge. I would rather just see the Suns roll the dice with playing Booker, Warren, Len, and Goodwin heavy minutes. I enjoy watching those guys and at least they have some potential to be more than role players, even if small. Maybe the Suns could draft their own game changing talent, if they fail they can always go back to what they are doing now.

Well that is certainly better. I don't think many here like what Sarver had done or wants to do. Sure we'd like a good team and to make the playoffs, and that season in our first year in a rebuild gave too much hope for what this team should accomplish. But what is a coach to do but try to win? I don't know that we would have gotten a better player than Warren if we were a bit higher that year though. Sarver is by far the biggest problem, but there is really no way to change that. We can churn and burn GMs and coaches, but continuity somewhere will eventually (if it ever happens) be a good thing for the long run. I'm guessing Sarver will never do that until someone can have instant success. If he extends McD, which I think he probably should regardless of what happens next year, perhaps we will start to do that if he hires the right coach, but getting the right coach is going to be the most important thing (as well as who we draft) this offseason. Hopefully we can move keep the same roster and add to it in years to come instead of constant reshuffling.

[DRK]

So embarrassing.

We should all use that avatar. I'm game.

Count me in too.

Someone tweet it to the players, tell them to wear it all next game for their own dignity

[DRK]

Would like a Kpop themed gif thanks.

will give and1's

[AtheJ415]

The number 1 thing we cannot do is miss on the pick. If you tank all year but select poorly (like the proverbial tankers have aside from a couple of teams basically for decades, which many see as the "right way" to tank), you have wasted a year. We need to keep McDonough. Who has a better draft record than him over the past 3 years?

What I don't get is 2 things: 1. People saying we should've always been tanking, followed by 2. People complaining that our GM doesn't know what he's doing because we are losing, even though the end result is the same as if we'd been tanking for the most part (the team is adding top tier talent (top 5 from each class imo aside from maybe Warren due to his epic draft class), and in fact we're getting them at lower picks and accordingly lower salaries). Our young guys do need more minutes. I completely agree, but that's on Jeff at this point. It's on the GM when the vets are better than the young guys, so the coach, in an effort to win, is forced to play the vets. When the young guys are better than the vets, and the coach, trying to win, rolls with the vets anyways, that's on the coach.

[rsavaj]

The apathy has set in for me. I'm not even upset.

Is this what Zen feels like?

[DRK]

The apathy has set in for me. I'm not even upset.

Is this what Zen feels like?

Yes. I checked the score, saw we lost to the 76'ers, and laughed out loud. It made my day.
Im not even mad. I want to see where this adventure takes us. Totally intruiged.

[Revived]

So embarrassing.

We should all use that avatar. I'm game.

Count me in too.

Someone tweet it to the players, tell them to wear it all next game for their own dignity

Would be funny if they used these as their Twitter avis

[bwgood77]

The apathy has set in for me. I'm not even upset.

Is this what Zen feels like?

Well Zen isn't apathy, but you remove yourself from being impacted much by things that happen, because that is done. You just observe. You can be a fan and Zen. I don't think apathy applies to being a fan though.

[Scutt]

Now that you mention it, it is weird they don't want stars on the team.

I should have rephrased that, they refuse to take the most realistic chance a small to mid market team has at landing a game changing talent, that is getting a few top 10 picks. Obviously they also need to have luck, draft smart and actually give the players opportunities to play through their mistakes and growing pains.

I am tired of watching this team try and compete for a playoff spot with no all stars on the roster, while the front office sells us fans on the idea of bringing in a disgruntled star through a trade or FA. Like a couple of years ago they were boasting about getting a meeting with Lebrons agent. Then last season they foolishly gave 40 million to a 35 year old Tyson Chandler, on the chance it might help lure Aldridge. I would rather just see the Suns roll the dice with playing Booker, Warren, Len, and Goodwin heavy minutes. I enjoy watching those guys and at least they have some potential to be more than role players, even if small. Maybe the Suns could draft their own game changing talent, if they fail they can always go back to what they are doing now.

Well that is certainly better. I don't think many here like what Sarver had done or wants to do. Sure we'd like a good team and to make the playoffs, and that season in our first year in a rebuild gave too much hope for what this team should accomplish. But what is a coach to do but try to win? I don't know that we would have gotten a better player than Warren if we were a bit higher that year though. Sarver is by far the biggest problem, but there is really no way to change that. We can churn and burn GMs and coaches, but continuity somewhere will eventually (if it ever happens) be a good thing for the long run. I'm guessing Sarver will never do that until someone can have instant success. If he extends McD, which I think he probably should regardless of what happens next year, perhaps we will start to do that if he hires the right coach, but getting the right coach is going to be the most important thing (as well as who we draft) this offseason. Hopefully we can move keep the same roster and add to it in years to come instead of constant reshuffling.

I agree that continuity is very important and I would like to see Mcd stay on as gm. I think he is very skilled at drafting, and a lot of the moves he has made that people seem to really criticize, were done in order to try and stay competitive at any cost due to Robert Sarvers desire for the 8th seed asap. Nothing will change until Served gets a clue. Its sad too because he seemed to have finally accepted building the right way after 2012, but then the team over achieves to 48 wins and he is right back to his short sighted ways.

[Kerrsed]

Would like a Kpop themed gif thanks.

will give and1's

Its kinda difficult.......