Trade Deadline Countdown....What will we do? What should we do?

[WeekapaugGroove]

I really can't see Knight being traded. While I don't thing he has negative value in the sense that they would need to attach and asset to move him (example: the Nets would jump all over a knight for johnson expiring) I also don't think he currently has enough positive value to make a trade worth while. The best course of action is to let him get healthy and see how he fits with the new coaching staff next year. Chandler is kind of in the same boat. It wouldn't shock me if someone traded an expiring for him to bolster their front line because with the spike in the cap contracts like his aren't that big of a deal. But that holds true for the suns too; there's really not rush to clear his money off the books. Heck if they do all that would happen is they would use that money to sign another chandler like bloated contract next summer for some role player. Best course of action would be to hold onto chandler and hope he puts together a nice run sometime over the next 18 months and then trade him for a minor asset.

Keif is a different story. The f-ing idiot need to be off this team ASAP. I'd be find giving him away for an expiring and just being done with him. I wouldn't attach an asset to move him though; at that point either just cut him or tell him to stay home and try to move him in the summer.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I prefer Blake Griffin to Kevin Love.

Call him an **** if you want, but he boards, handles the rock, passes the ball, and can score at will. He simply fits. If the Clips want to break up their core, we have pieces they may want.

[MathiasPW]

Griffin is an a**hole.

There you go.

[NavLDO]

Most rival executives believe it remains a matter of when, not if, Phoenix trades disgruntled swingman Markieff Morris. The Suns, though, stubbornly continue to hold out for stronger offers, which might not be forthcoming given the relatively dim view leaguewide about Morris’ stock at the moment, stemming not only from the tension he’s caused in the desert dating to last summer but also the uncertainty of Morris’ potential legal trouble stemming from a felony aggravated assault charge levied in the spring of 2015.

So a fairly respected member of the media, who has his 'contacts' throughout the league, states Kieff's value has plummeted, and is 'relatively dim', yet we still have posters here that think since he's just 'dogging it' GMs will overlook that and pay a premium, ok, maybe not premium, but will trade positive assets for Kieff.

And as far as saying that those posters don't know what they are talking about, Smitty731 has been around a long time, and I haven't noticed him to be to hyperbolic within his posts. No, he's not a REAL GM, but neither is anyone here, but his opinion is a lot closer to Stein's view, who DOES have a 'pulse' on REAL GMs in how they view our players.

But by all means, let's keep riding white unicorns over the rainbow to that pot of gold at the end, which is the return we'll get back for Markieff, Chandler, or Knight when/if we trade them.

Fan's here need to prepare for losing decent assets, or taking on other poor contracts, when we finally do find a trade partner for any of those three. McD is smart, and overall, get's good value for our assets, but to expect that he can pull a rabbit out of a hat by getting good value in return for Kieff or Chandler, or to a lesser extent, Knight, is downright unrealisitic.

[bwgood77]

im just happy that the mavs got rid of tyson chandler. he was overrated, is overrated and will be overrated when he retires.
(mavs better defensivly with Dirk on the floor and tyson out than vice versa :X during 2010/2011 and playoffs)

I'm just really happy you guys got rid of Nash, and also really happy you get rid of all your draft picks so when Dirk is gone you have no youth. Also glad you missed out on DeAndre Jordan. At least one team in the west with a dimmer future than us.

[bwgood77]

How often do you win a trade by giving away the best player in it (From Cleveland POV)? Any examples?

Orlando trading Howard. Phoenix trading Nash. An expiring Dragic for two firsts. Utah for Deron Williams. Denver for Melo. Those five took me about a minute to think of, so I'm sure there are many.

[bwgood77]

Really wish we had held on to IT

It's funny, it seemed like I was one of the few that really liked the signing.

Yeah, it's pretty funny reading all these "I really like IT" comments right now, when last season every game thread was full of "McD, please trade this ball hog midget for a bag pf chips. Now!" comments. And after the game, when IT usually was the guy who led the Suns in scoring and +/-, everyone was saying that it ware empty stats and if he didn't play the Suns would have won by 20 with Dragic scoring 30+ points.

Yeah, IT wasn't real popular here. I didn't really like his play (though I think you did, correct?). I didn't mind the signing originally, until I saw how it created chemistry issues.

But the same situation holds true with Knight. He was called an all star snub last year, and IT was probably the last one to get in this year, and now many can't stand Knight.

[bwgood77]

I prefer Blake Griffin to Kevin Love.

Call him an **** if you want, but he boards, handles the rock, passes the ball, and can score at will. He simply fits. If the Clips want to break up their core, we have pieces they may want.

I don't think we have pieces they want, unless you are talking about trading young guys and they REALLY want to blow it up.

They'd probably want something like Blake to Atlanta for Horford and Teague. Gets a nice guy to back up and take over for Paul when he starts to decline or maybe play with him at times. Salaries work out on that too.

[bwgood77]

Most rival executives believe it remains a matter of when, not if, Phoenix trades disgruntled swingman Markieff Morris. The Suns, though, stubbornly continue to hold out for stronger offers, which might not be forthcoming given the relatively dim view leaguewide about Morris’ stock at the moment, stemming not only from the tension he’s caused in the desert dating to last summer but also the uncertainty of Morris’ potential legal trouble stemming from a felony aggravated assault charge levied in the spring of 2015.

So a fairly respected member of the media, who has his 'contacts' throughout the league, states Kieff's value has plummeted, and is 'relatively dim', yet we still have posters here that think since he's just 'dogging it' GMs will overlook that and pay a premium, ok, maybe not premium, but will trade positive assets for Kieff.

And as far as saying that those posters don't know what they are talking about, Smitty731 has been around a long time, and I haven't noticed him to be to hyperbolic within his posts. No, he's not a REAL GM, but neither is anyone here, but his opinion is a lot closer to Stein's view, who DOES have a 'pulse' on REAL GMs in how they view our players.

But by all means, let's keep riding white unicorns over the rainbow to that pot of gold at the end, which is the return we'll get back for Markieff, Chandler, or Knight when/if we trade them.

Fan's here need to prepare for losing decent assets, or taking on other poor contracts, when we finally do find a trade partner for any of those three. McD is smart, and overall, get's good value for our assets, but to expect that he can pull a rabbit out of a hat by getting good value in return for Kieff or Chandler, or to a lesser extent, Knight, is downright unrealisitic.

I don't think Stein has any REAL good sources or ever seems to be the first to break anything. Of course teams are lowballing for Kieff now. Everyone is lowballing everyone. Lets see what happens at the deadline. If we can't get positive value, waive him or wait until the summer when teams strike out on free agents and want/need a PF.

[MathiasPW]

We don't have a problem of talent as much as we have a problem of culture/ chemistry.

We don't need to trade half the team away. Kieff for sure, as he is part of the root problem (along with the management staff but those are not tradeable). But Chandler and Knight can be very serviceable, even tough their current play has not proven that so far.

Chandler would do better if more engaged (like last few games). It's a bit a absurd to think he decayed like 10 years from last season to this.

Knight is still a good quick slasher with a good shot. He has to reduce ball handling and decision making duties (that also arise from this 2 PG gimmick).

Better system and removing rotten pieces should do the trick.

[pastis]

im just happy that the mavs got rid of tyson chandler. he was overrated, is overrated and will be overrated when he retires.
(mavs better defensivly with Dirk on the floor and tyson out than vice versa :X during 2010/2011 and playoffs)

I'm just really happy you guys got rid of Nash, and also really happy you get rid of all your draft picks so when Dirk is gone you have no youth. Also glad you missed out on DeAndre Jordan. At least one team in the west with a dimmer future than us.

i agree with you. mavs front office and staff made an horrible job after 2005 to sourround Dirk with a decend team to compete in the wild west. basically everything outside the 2010/2011 team was way overpaid trash and Dirk wasted his prime with lineups full of adrian griffins, marquis daniels, desagna diops, devean goerges, shawne williams, quinton ross', antoine writghts or erica dampiers of this world.

but my statement did not go against the suns at all. i just think that TC is an overrated player, that he cares too much for money rather than taking less for to give his team cap space opportunity. his offense is just bad for his size and his defense gets mad overrated. but if you think that he plays good and is helping your team - im ok

regarding the future: well, yea we didnt get DJ, but we got Williams and Pachulia instead and i honestly think that this - as a package - is more value than just DJ. DJ is NOT a max player and is getting way overrated as well. he needs some big assists guys like CP3 or even Blake griffin to contribute and being involved in the game. he is basically helpless alone/off the ball.
but you might be right. Dirk will be completly washed up after this season. Parsons can opt out. So, yea our future isnt bright

[NavLDO]

Blind Trade Mode:

Trade #1: Strange Sense of Humor
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zbf87bf

Trade #2: Easy Does It
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hq7d5qn

Trade #3: I'm Coming Home Part 2
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j7e99m5

Trade #4: Youth Movement
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gtu8nvc

Trade #5: Theory of Relativity
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gmbjhq6

Trade #6: Welcome Back, Welcome Back
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jv47odj

OK, those are ALL pie-in-the-sky trades; no way we get anything near that value for Kieff. Minny is going to trade Dieng PLUS two more assets to take on Kieff? Ummm...if McD can pull that off, I will bow down to him and kiss his shoes if I ever see him in person, as he will have off-loaded Kieff for positive assets...heck, any of those trades I'd do the above mentioned. It' not about the fact that I love those players, it's the fact they actually maintain some sort of positive worth.

So now, let's look at reality:

Boston
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jxtf778 plus we throw in Cleveland' 2016 pick.

Detroit
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jx89a7w

Miami
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gle8vgb (for all you Dragic lovers...)

Indiana
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gr3vxnh

Charlotte
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zsgglku (have to give up Warren to make up the value)

I'm not saying these are likely, but this is the type of value we can expect offered from other GMs, and TBH, we'd b lucky to have a few of these, because yes, our future would look more bright, believe it or not...

...it was difficult to find trades were we wouldn't have to give up our young corps, but ultimately, we have to expect that a team that comes calling, will request Booker, Warren, Len, Goodwin, Tucker, Leuer, or Teletovic, which McD will respond "How about Kieff?"

And this one is the best of the bunch, well, for the other team, that is...LOL

Portland
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hl34yv8

[saintEscaton]

Blind Trade Mode:

Trade #1: Strange Sense of Humor
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zbf87bf

Trade #2: Easy Does It
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hq7d5qn

Trade #3: I'm Coming Home Part 2
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j7e99m5

Trade #4: Youth Movement
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gtu8nvc

Trade #5: Theory of Relativity
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gmbjhq6

Trade #6: Welcome Back, Welcome Back
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jv47odj

OK, those are ALL pie-in-the-sky trades; no way we get anything near that value for Kieff. Minny is going to trade Dieng PLUS two more assets to take on Kieff? Ummm...if McD can pull that off, I will bow down to him and kiss his shoes if I ever see him in person, as he will have off-loaded Kieff for positive assets...heck, any of those trades I'd do the above mentioned. It' not about the fact that I love those players, it's the fact they actually maintain some sort of positive worth.

So now, let's look at reality:

Boston
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jxtf778 plus we throw in Cleveland' 2016 pick.

Detroit
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jx89a7w

Miami
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gle8vgb (for all you Dragic lovers...)

Indiana
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gr3vxnh

Charlotte
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zsgglku (have to give up Warren to make up the value)

I'm not saying these are likely, but this is the type of value we can expect offered from other GMs, and TBH, we'd b lucky to have a few of these, because yes, our future would look more bright, believe it or not...

...it was difficult to find trades were we wouldn't have to give up our young corps, but ultimately, we have to expect that a team that comes calling, will request Booker, Warren, Len, Goodwin, Tucker, Leuer, or Teletovic, which McD will respond "How about Kieff?"

And this one is the best of the bunch, well, for the other team, that is...LOL

Portland
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hl34yv8

If Hinkie deals away Noel just for Queef he would incur the collective wrath of the City of Brotherly Love

[NavLDO]

Blind Trade Mode:

Trade #1: Strange Sense of Humor
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zbf87bf

Trade #2: Easy Does It
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hq7d5qn

Trade #3: I'm Coming Home Part 2
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j7e99m5

Trade #4: Youth Movement
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gtu8nvc

Trade #5: Theory of Relativity
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gmbjhq6

Trade #6: Welcome Back, Welcome Back
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jv47odj

OK, those are ALL pie-in-the-sky trades; no way we get anything near that value for Kieff. Minny is going to trade Dieng PLUS two more assets to take on Kieff? Ummm...if McD can pull that off, I will bow down to him and kiss his shoes if I ever see him in person, as he will have off-loaded Kieff for positive assets...heck, any of those trades I'd do the above mentioned. It' not about the fact that I love those players, it's the fact they actually maintain some sort of positive worth.

So now, let's look at reality:

Boston
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jxtf778 plus we throw in Cleveland' 2016 pick.

Detroit
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jx89a7w

Miami
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gle8vgb (for all you Dragic lovers...)

Indiana
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gr3vxnh

Charlotte
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zsgglku (have to give up Warren to make up the value)

I'm not saying these are likely, but this is the type of value we can expect offered from other GMs, and TBH, we'd b lucky to have a few of these, because yes, our future would look more bright, believe it or not...

...it was difficult to find trades were we wouldn't have to give up our young corps, but ultimately, we have to expect that a team that comes calling, will request Booker, Warren, Len, Goodwin, Tucker, Leuer, or Teletovic, which McD will respond "How about Kieff?"

And this one is the best of the bunch, well, for the other team, that is...LOL

Portland
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hl34yv8

If Hinkie deals away Noel just for Queef he would incur the collective wrath of the City of Brotherly Love

Yeah, Noel is going NOWHERE. Unless NO feels like off-loading AD, or the Warriors tire of Curry's play, or if Oklahoma pkgs Ibaka with Durant, than MAYBE Hinkie trades Noel, but for the services Kieff provides? (On the court, that is, off the court, well... ) I don't think so...

[bwgood77]

im just happy that the mavs got rid of tyson chandler. he was overrated, is overrated and will be overrated when he retires.
(mavs better defensivly with Dirk on the floor and tyson out than vice versa :X during 2010/2011 and playoffs)

I'm just really happy you guys got rid of Nash, and also really happy you get rid of all your draft picks so when Dirk is gone you have no youth. Also glad you missed out on DeAndre Jordan. At least one team in the west with a dimmer future than us.

i agree with you. mavs front office and staff made an horrible job after 2005 to sourround Dirk with a decend team to compete in the wild west. basically everything outside the 2010/2011 team was way overpaid trash and Dirk wasted his prime with lineups full of adrian griffins, marquis daniels, desagna diops, devean goerges, shawne williams, quinton ross', antoine writghts or erica dampiers of this world.

but my statement did not go against the suns at all. i just think that TC is an overrated player, that he cares too much for money rather than taking less for to give his team cap space opportunity. his offense is just bad for his size and his defense gets mad overrated. but if you think that he plays good and is helping your team - im ok

regarding the future: well, yea we didnt get DJ, but we got Williams and Pachulia instead and i honestly think that this - as a package - is more value than just DJ. DJ is NOT a max player and is getting way overrated as well. he needs some big assists guys like CP3 or even Blake griffin to contribute and being involved in the game. he is basically helpless alone/off the ball.
but you might be right. Dirk will be completly washed up after this season. Parsons can opt out. So, yea our future isnt bright

But you do have Carlisle, who I consider perhaps the best coach in the league for getting max value out of the talent he has to work with. So you never know. They have certainly surprised a lot of people this year.

[pastis]

I'm just really happy you guys got rid of Nash, and also really happy you get rid of all your draft picks so when Dirk is gone you have no youth. Also glad you missed out on DeAndre Jordan. At least one team in the west with a dimmer future than us.

i agree with you. mavs front office and staff made an horrible job after 2005 to sourround Dirk with a decend team to compete in the wild west. basically everything outside the 2010/2011 team was way overpaid trash and Dirk wasted his prime with lineups full of adrian griffins, marquis daniels, desagna diops, devean goerges, shawne williams, quinton ross', antoine writghts or erica dampiers of this world.

but my statement did not go against the suns at all. i just think that TC is an overrated player, that he cares too much for money rather than taking less for to give his team cap space opportunity. his offense is just bad for his size and his defense gets mad overrated. but if you think that he plays good and is helping your team - im ok

regarding the future: well, yea we didnt get DJ, but we got Williams and Pachulia instead and i honestly think that this - as a package - is more value than just DJ. DJ is NOT a max player and is getting way overrated as well. he needs some big assists guys like CP3 or even Blake griffin to contribute and being involved in the game. he is basically helpless alone/off the ball.
but you might be right. Dirk will be completly washed up after this season. Parsons can opt out. So, yea our future isnt bright

But you do have Carlisle, who I consider perhaps the best coach in the league for getting max value out of the talent he has to work with. So you never know. They have certainly surprised a lot of people this year.

thats right. but i dont like how carlise use (or better dont use) young players (e.g. beaubois, dominque jones). he is more or less a coach who loves experienced veterans and he will rather play a veteran than a young prospect, even tough the veteran plays horribly. so, if the mavs vets will retire or sign elsewhere....how will carlise react? i dont think the mavs will play a role in 2 years.
but if parsons and williams dont opt out and pachulia resgin.... this core does not look that bad with wesley matthews.....but lets see...

[LukasBMW]

I prefer Blake Griffin to Kevin Love.

Call him an **** if you want, but he boards, handles the rock, passes the ball, and can score at will. He simply fits. If the Clips want to break up their core, we have pieces they may want.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240608/Doc-Rivers-Would-Prefer-To-Trade-Away-Blake-Griffin-If-Clippers-Break-Up-Core

Whoa! Just saw this!

And I agree with you. Griffin would be a great fit. He'd give us the front court scoring we would need. As long as we didn't have to totally deplete our backcourt, we'd have lots of firepower.

The only problem is I doubt be could put together the best package. If I'm the Clippers, I'd probably rather swap Blake for Kevin Love or Cousins.

Actually, a Love for Blake swap makes a lot of sense for both teams. Love comes home to the Clippers and helps them stretch the floor. Blake would probably be a better fit for Cleveland.


It's interesting that Kevin Love was an unstoppable machine in Minnesota that required a double team if you wanted to keep him from scoring, but now looks very average in Cleveland.

It's also interesting the Blake played extremely well last year and also was pretty much unstoppable as he racked up the points. I'm surprised that the Clippers have played better without him. On paper, without his production and front court scoring, they are a very average team.

[LukasBMW]

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[letsgosuns]

I doubt the Clippers would ever trade Griffin to a Western Conference team, let alone a pacific division rival. If he is traded, it will probably be to the Eastern Conference. I figure a package like the one the Timberwolves got for Love is a good idea of what it would take. Jerry Colangelo has a ton of assets to play with on the 76ers. He has the Lakers pick the Suns gave up in the Knight trade in addition to his own teams' pick, which could be the first pick in the draft. Getting Griffin to re-ignite the 76ers is a total Colangelo thing to do if he believes Griffin will not be a distraction off the court. Also, the Celtics own the 2016 Nets pick unprotected and Ainge is obviously all about getting a star. They can create a top package too most likely. They have so many draft picks.

[LukasBMW]

When it comes to trading for players with questionable character, let's define the 4 basics:

Punk: A punk is a player who acts tough but has no reason to be a though guy. This is a player who is really soft inside and pretends to act like a thug for no real reason. Example: JR Smith. JR Smith has had tons of opportunities to play at an allstar level but would rather party in NYC, untie people's shoes, and roll around on hoverboards. He'd back down from a fight against DeAnde Jordan, but would take a cheap shot at Chris Paul.

Thug: A thug is different from a punk in that a thug is genuine in his demeanor. He doesn't "act" like a thug because he thinks it's cool (see punk), he really is a thug. While a punk would back down from a fair fight and prefer to take cheap shots, a thug would fight anyone. Example: Matt Barnes.

D-bag: A D-bag is the most common type of NBA superstar. A D-Bag is a spoiled brat who cries and complains when he doesn't get his way. Typically this means crying about fouls, treating team staff like garbage, looking down on fans, and acting like a teenage pop star even though they are supposed to be a grown man. Examples of D-bags: Lebron James, Amare, Blake Griffin.

Headcase: A headcase is a player who just can't keep it together and constantly gets in minor trouble that keeps him from performing an an optimal level. A headcase is different from a D-bag as he may treat arena staff and fans with respect but will publicly call out the coach or team management. A headcase may demand a trade in the media. A headcase will play well through the season but pick up tons of technical fouls. Headcase examples: Rasheed Wallace, Charles Barkley, Cousins, Keef.