Season Speculation, Trade Ideas & Discussion Pt. 2

grumpysaddle · Post #381 » by **grumpysaddle** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:44 pm

bwgood77 wrote:That would be funny if Bledsoe really was at a hair salon. I wouldn't want to be there either.

If he really was and didn't think about the high likelihood of misunderstanding his meaning, well that's just a whole new level of dumb.

TeamTragic · Post #382 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:47 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:I think at the end we trade Bledsoe for Frank, Kuzminskas, and Hernangomez with some minor move by NYK to get rid of the remaining 1.5 in needed salary before pulling the trigger.

Get it done McD. No hesitation.

Mauro Pedrosa · Post #383 » by **Mauro Pedrosa** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:48 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:The problem with any bucks trade is getting salary back. I know some here probably still like Mirza, but he is overpaid imo so trading Tyson for him does little. It saves us $1 mil and doesn't shorten the duration of the contract. The only trade I can see working from Milwaukee is both Brogdon and Maker in the trade. Otherwise, I don't see how we wouldn't just offer Bled for Ntilikina and call it a day. I'd rather even throw in something extra for Ntilikina (even though we shouldn't need to) than do any of the Bucks stuff I see here. A late 1st in this draft plus Maker is crap for Bledsoe.

I like Thon Maker a lot and think he has great potential

LukasBMW · Post #384 » by **LukasBMW** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:48 pm

Boston probably offering Tatum and Morris for Blesdoe and Jackson. :lol:

Ainge just doing it to troll McDonough.

Post #385 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:49 pm

I wish we lived in a fantasy world where we could get Brogdon and Maker for Bledsoe. I'd be happy for Brogdon straight up, but I doubt we could even get that.

I've read maybe Monroe (expiring), DJ Wilson (17th pick, though sounds a little like Bender, though not as good of passer and better at getting to the rim maybe), and a first.

It took Wilson some time to grow into his body, but he looked much more comfortable in his 6'10, 234 pound frame as a redshirt sophomore. He is agile and moves his feet well on the perimeter, and with his 7'3 wingspan complementing his size, he has elite physical tools for the type of big men NBA teams are searching for to stretch the floor. W

Wilson displays versatility and skill as a perimeter threat, and is the type of player that can fit into modern NBA offenses as a power forward or center (particularly as his frame fills out). He has a nice shooting stroke, making 37% of his 3.8 three point attempts per 40 minutes. He is a confident shooter with a projectable stroke to NBA distance, and is able to catch and shoot from spot-up situations or pick and pop in ball screen situations.

He has a nice baseline of ball handling skills for a power forward, with an ability to create off the dribble which will be a beneficial skill when teams run him off the three point line. He's primarily a straight line driver to the rim, but he has some impressive footwork on the move to step past his opponent on the way to the rim

- Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/D.J.-Wilson-82837/ ©DraftExpress

BobbieL · Post #386 » by **BobbieL** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:51 pm

Mauro Pedrosa wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:The problem with any bucks trade is getting salary back. I know some here probably still like Mirza, but he is overpaid imo so trading Tyson for him does little. It saves us $1 mil and doesn't shorten the duration of the contract. The only trade I can see working from Milwaukee is both Brogdon and Maker in the trade. Otherwise, I don't see how we wouldn't just offer Bled for Ntilikina and call it a day. I'd rather even throw in something extra for Ntilikina (even though we shouldn't need to) than do any of the Bucks stuff I see here. A late 1st in this draft plus Maker is crap for Bledsoe.

I like Thon Maker a lot and think he has great potential

The idea with me adding Chandler to a Bucks trade is not about salary - its about getting the personality out of the locker room if he is a problem. Because as you stated the contracts are similar, the cash savings is negligible.

I do like the idea of the knicks trade. The new GM has ZERO attachment to the Frank N. I can see Frank N, Kuz and Thomas for Bledsoe. I don't think they can get Hernangomez

AtheJ415 · Post #387 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:52 pm

Saberestar wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
GoCeltics123 wrote:Marcus Smart and Marcus Morris works in the trade machine

If you had to put odds on every player in the NBA being traded to the Suns, Marcus Morris would be dead last. Below guys like Joakim Noah.

Not a problem at all, they can trade him to a third team.

I would love Ntilikina, but if it's not possible I would like to get Smart. He is a great defender and we need/want defense. Young enough and his contract next season can be similar to what Bledsoe is getting now.

Smart is one of the worst offensive players in basketball and is holding out for a massive pay day. No thanks. We have the Miami pick for a reason. We can draft one of the top PGs in the late lottery / early playoff spots this offseason.

Post #388 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:53 pm

GoranTragic wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:I think at the end we trade Bledsoe for Frank, Kuzminskas, and Hernangomez with some minor move by NYK to get rid of the remaining 1.5 in needed salary before pulling the trigger.

Get it done McD. No hesitation.

I think there is about zero chance that happens. I proposed these two earlier...which give one or two of those players in different packages. We'd probably have to take Lance Thomas (rather take him than Courtney Lee who makes more for longer).

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6956113

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6956118

Post #389 » by **rsavaj** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:53 pm

if we could get Frank N from NYK that would be pretty great
same with Brogdon or Maker

that seems way too optimistic though

AtheJ415 · Post #390 » by **AtheJ415** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:53 pm

Mauro Pedrosa wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:The problem with any bucks trade is getting salary back. I know some here probably still like Mirza, but he is overpaid imo so trading Tyson for him does little. It saves us $1 mil and doesn't shorten the duration of the contract. The only trade I can see working from Milwaukee is both Brogdon and Maker in the trade. Otherwise, I don't see how we wouldn't just offer Bled for Ntilikina and call it a day. I'd rather even throw in something extra for Ntilikina (even though we shouldn't need to) than do any of the Bucks stuff I see here. A late 1st in this draft plus Maker is crap for Bledsoe.

I like Thon Maker a lot and think he has great potential

That's fine, but to trade for him and a late 1st for a guy who is already putting up 21, 6, and 5 at 27 years old is a massive underpay. Particularly when many teams pulled him off their draft board due to age concerns, which are still very legitimate.

RaisingArizona · Post #391 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:54 pm

The Magic is probably our best trade partner.

Djedefre · Post #392 » by **Djedefre** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:54 pm

Nothing tops BKN pick. Just sayin’

BobbieL · Post #393 » by **BobbieL** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:56 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:The Magic is probably our best trade partner.

Kevin Pelton is on with Gambo - he has three deals

Nuggets: Mudiay and Faried

Magic: Elfrid, Augustin and Herzonja

Cavs: Shumpert and Frye with a pick

8on · Post #394 » by **8on** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:57 pm

bwgood77 wrote:That would be funny if Bledsoe really was at a hair salon. I wouldn't want to be there either.

it was general enough that I think we were supposed to draw conclusions. If he were really at a hair salon, he probably would've said so, either today or yesterday. We were supposed to draw conclusions. He doesn't want to be HERE.

Saberestar · Post #395 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:59 pm

BobbieL wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:The Magic is probably our best trade partner.

Kevin Pelton is on with Gambo - he has three deals

Nuggets: Mudiay and Faried

Magic: Elfrid, Augustin and Herzonja

Cavs: Shumpert and Frye with a pick

Oh nooo. Low ball offers as is expected.

Mauro Pedrosa · Post #396 » by **Mauro Pedrosa** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:00 pm

AtheJ415 wrote:
Mauro Pedrosa wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:The problem with any bucks trade is getting salary back. I know some here probably still like Mirza, but he is overpaid imo so trading Tyson for him does little. It saves us $1 mil and doesn't shorten the duration of the contract. The only trade I can see working from Milwaukee is both Brogdon and Maker in the trade. Otherwise, I don't see how we wouldn't just offer Bled for Ntilikina and call it a day. I'd rather even throw in something extra for Ntilikina (even though we shouldn't need to) than do any of the Bucks stuff I see here. A late 1st in this draft plus Maker is crap for Bledsoe.

I like Thon Maker a lot and think he has great potential

That's fine, but to trade for him and a late 1st for a guy who is already putting up 21, 6, and 5 at 27 years old is a massive underpay. Particularly when many teams pulled him off their draft board due to age concerns, which are still very legitimate.

I like Bledsoe a lot, but you can't be too picky due to his injury concerns

RaisingArizona · Post #397 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:00 pm

BobbieL wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:The Magic is probably our best trade partner.

Kevin Pelton is on with Gambo - he has three deals

Nuggets: Mudiay and Faried

Magic: Elfrid, Augustin and Herzonja

Cavs: Shumpert and Frye with a pick

Heard that live. I think the Cavs deal is crap. That leaves Denver or Orlando. I would prefer the Orlando deal. What about you?

Mauro Pedrosa · Post #398 » by **Mauro Pedrosa** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:00 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:The Magic is probably our best trade partner.

I'd love to see that happen for the right price

Post #399 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:01 pm

BobbieL wrote:
ginobiliflops wrote:The Magic is probably our best trade partner.

Kevin Pelton is on with Gambo - he has three deals

Nuggets: Mudiay and Faried

Magic: Elfrid, Augustin and Herzonja

Cavs: Shumpert and Frye with a pick

That second deal seems by far the best, assuming that's not the Nets pick in the last one. Mudiay and Faried sounds awful. Neither of those guys even played last year. Were not even good enough to be in the rotation.

Denver would have to send their first, and preferably Arthur than Faried since he shoots over 45% from three (on 2.9 attempts per game last year).

Post #400 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:02 pm

dantley4prez wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:That would be funny if Bledsoe really was at a hair salon. I wouldn't want to be there either.

it was general enough that I think we were supposed to draw conclusions. If he were really at a hair salon, he probably would've said so, either today or yesterday. We were supposed to draw conclusions. He doesn't want to be HERE.

Thanks for the clarification.