Playoffs Discussion

[schnakenpopanz]

i always liked gentry as he was coaching the suns. happy for him with he recent success with the hornets.

Pelicans

phew honest mistake, old habbits

[Mulhollanddrive]

NO are in an interesting spot with Cousins playing alot better without him, would be tempted just to add 2-3 shooters instead of resigning him to the max.

[lilfishi22]

Haters.

Tucker was always one of my favourite players. The guy just does the little things, intangibles that help you win. Whether it's grabbing rebounds, putting a body on bigs, guarding out on the perimeter or hitting threes, the guy goes out there and plays his ass off for you. I'll always root for him

Don't forget the nachos. He loves the nachos....also driving while super intoxicated. What's not to love?

I always liked him too but glad we let him go when we did.

Also, he's like the 8th best player on the team. He only starts because they need a defender at that spot and they already have 2 HOF PGs both of whom are MVP candidates manning their offense on the perimeter.

TJ is better than PJ and has been for years. PJ still cannot dribble nor can he shoot from anywhere other than the corner 3. He is a great fit for Houston in the role he is in, but is not a player who traditionally would start on a title team, and you are absolutely kidding yourself if you think otherwise. You literally need 2 offensive dynamos who can create for everyone else at a hall of fame level for it to work with his offensive deficiencies.

TJ is a better 2PT scorer, sure. But that's about it. You say PJ wouldn't be able to start on any other title team but TJ for sure isn't starting on any top playoff teams. PJ is making winning plays, playing defense, hitting the occasional 3 and just being a solid role player. TJ thus far has been a one-trick pony, a very good one but a one-trick pony nonetheless. Without defense and without 3PT shooting, he's not starting for any top playoff team, let alone a title contender.

[jcsunsfan]

Don't forget the nachos. He loves the nachos....also driving while super intoxicated. What's not to love?

I always liked him too but glad we let him go when we did.

Also, he's like the 8th best player on the team. He only starts because they need a defender at that spot and they already have 2 HOF PGs both of whom are MVP candidates manning their offense on the perimeter.

TJ is better than PJ and has been for years. PJ still cannot dribble nor can he shoot from anywhere other than the corner 3. He is a great fit for Houston in the role he is in, but is not a player who traditionally would start on a title team, and you are absolutely kidding yourself if you think otherwise. You literally need 2 offensive dynamos who can create for everyone else at a hall of fame level for it to work with his offensive deficiencies.

TJ is a better 2PT scorer, sure. But that's about it. You say PJ wouldn't be able to start on any other title team but TJ for sure isn't starting on any top playoff teams. PJ is making winning plays, playing defense, hitting the occasional 3 and just being a solid role player. TJ thus far has been a one-trick pony, a very good one but a one-trick pony nonetheless. Without defense and without 3PT shooting, he's not starting for any top playoff team, let alone a title contender.

I saw one pub that came out in January that ranked TJ as the #7 overall sf in the league (based upon play this year). http://www.nba.com/magic/news/ranking-best-small-forwards-9-20180129

[AtheJ415]

Don't forget the nachos. He loves the nachos....also driving while super intoxicated. What's not to love?

I always liked him too but glad we let him go when we did.

Also, he's like the 8th best player on the team. He only starts because they need a defender at that spot and they already have 2 HOF PGs both of whom are MVP candidates manning their offense on the perimeter.

TJ is better than PJ and has been for years. PJ still cannot dribble nor can he shoot from anywhere other than the corner 3. He is a great fit for Houston in the role he is in, but is not a player who traditionally would start on a title team, and you are absolutely kidding yourself if you think otherwise. You literally need 2 offensive dynamos who can create for everyone else at a hall of fame level for it to work with his offensive deficiencies.

TJ is a better 2PT scorer, sure. But that's about it. You say PJ wouldn't be able to start on any other title team but TJ for sure isn't starting on any top playoff teams. PJ is making winning plays, playing defense, hitting the occasional 3 and just being a solid role player. TJ thus far has been a one-trick pony, a very good one but a one-trick pony nonetheless. Without defense and without 3PT shooting, he's not starting for any top playoff team, let alone a title contender.

That's about it? PJ cannot dribble. He is the worst ballhandling wing in the history of NBA basketball. The man crush on him on this board is absurd and has been absurd since he was here. Making everything look incredibly hard is not a good thing. I get that he plays hard and does the little things, but that's because he can't do any of the big things and thus has to do that to have a job. That is not what you want to build your team around. TJ has been better for 2 years now, and when you say 2 point scorer, I say ALL OF OVERALL OFFENSE. He can score drastically better than PJ in terms of open 2s, around the hoop, creating his own shot, hitting off of bad angles and off balanced, shooting FTs, cutting off the ball, etc.. It's kind of a big deal that isn't adequately quantified by just saying "2 PT scoring". I can play that game too. PJ is a better defender, sure, but that's about it.

[AtheJ415]

Also, he's like the 8th best player on the team. He only starts because they need a defender at that spot and they already have 2 HOF PGs both of whom are MVP candidates manning their offense on the perimeter.

TJ is better than PJ and has been for years. PJ still cannot dribble nor can he shoot from anywhere other than the corner 3. He is a great fit for Houston in the role he is in, but is not a player who traditionally would start on a title team, and you are absolutely kidding yourself if you think otherwise. You literally need 2 offensive dynamos who can create for everyone else at a hall of fame level for it to work with his offensive deficiencies.

TJ is a better 2PT scorer, sure. But that's about it. You say PJ wouldn't be able to start on any other title team but TJ for sure isn't starting on any top playoff teams. PJ is making winning plays, playing defense, hitting the occasional 3 and just being a solid role player. TJ thus far has been a one-trick pony, a very good one but a one-trick pony nonetheless. Without defense and without 3PT shooting, he's not starting for any top playoff team, let alone a title contender.

I saw one pub that came out in January that ranked TJ as the #7 overall sf in the league (based upon play this year). http://www.nba.com/magic/news/ranking-best-small-forwards-9-20180129

TJ is an efficient 20 point scorer who takes good shots. That is so much more valuable than a role playing SF who cannot dribble, makes basic basketball look difficult, and is basically useless on offense outside of the corner 3, and who while a good defender has never made an All-defensive team like truly elite defenders.

[bwgood77]

According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Wilt Chamberlain are the only rookies to reach 200 points in the playoffs faster than Mitchell, who did so in eight games. Mitchell had an off shooting night in Game 2 against the Rockets, but he broke John Stockton's franchise rookie playoff record with 11 assists to help lead the Jazz to a road win over the NBA's top overall seed.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23405473/donovan-mitchell-utah-jazz-not-enjoying-struggles-rookie-rival-ben-simmons-philadelphia-76ers

Donovan Mitchell is currently shooting 30.2% on the series. People are drastically overrating his impact. Ingles is the key to that team and when you stop him the team fails.

Did I mention this series? Who has said he's had a huge impact on this series? Just strawmanning there?

I just posted a historical fact. He had a monster first round though with 28 and 7 on 46/36/92 but hasn't played well since Rubio went out and he had to play PG.

[saintEscaton]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23405473/donovan-mitchell-utah-jazz-not-enjoying-struggles-rookie-rival-ben-simmons-philadelphia-76ers

Donovan Mitchell is currently shooting 30.2% on the series. People are drastically overrating his impact. Ingles is the key to that team and when you stop him the team fails.

Did I mention this series? Who has said he's had a huge impact on this series? Just strawmanning there?

I just posted a historical fact. He had a monster first round though with 28 and 7 on 46/36/92 but hasn't played well since Rubio went out and he had to play PG.

Its okay some Suns fans can't give credit where it's due

[AtheJ415]

Donovan Mitchell is currently shooting 30.2% on the series. People are drastically overrating his impact. Ingles is the key to that team and when you stop him the team fails.

Did I mention this series? Who has said he's had a huge impact on this series? Just strawmanning there?

I just posted a historical fact. He had a monster first round though with 28 and 7 on 46/36/92 but hasn't played well since Rubio went out and he had to play PG.

Its okay some Suns fans can't give credit where it's due

I can pull the same numbers for the year. It's funny because Jazz reporters even this season claimed guys like JR Smith are better than Devin Booker because he is a high usage scorer. Mitchell is older than Booker, and a less efficient high usage scorer, who they all laud for those same reasons. He is a great player who is unbelievably overrated on that team. I'll just say that. Ingles and Gobert are more important and get half the attention. That said, I do think Mitchell will become the best player on that team, but I find it beyond hypocritical how NBA reporters for the Jazz specifically treat guys like Booker relative to Mitchell and thus I will point out when he sucks in a series and his overall season true shooting percentage (which isn't great), and his FT rate (which also isn't great) as much as I want.

[suns91fan]

Did I mention this series? Who has said he's had a huge impact on this series? Just strawmanning there?

I just posted a historical fact. He had a monster first round though with 28 and 7 on 46/36/92 but hasn't played well since Rubio went out and he had to play PG.

Its okay some Suns fans can't give credit where it's due

I can pull the same numbers for the year. It's funny because Jazz reporters even this season claimed guys like JR Smith are better than Devin Booker because he is a high usage scorer. Mitchell is older than Booker, and a less efficient high usage scorer, who they all laud for those same reasons. He is a great player who is unbelievably overrated on that team. I'll just say that. Ingles and Gobert are more important and get half the attention. That said, I do think Mitchell will become the best player on that team, but I find it beyond hypocritical how NBA reporters for the Jazz specifically treat guys like Booker relative to Mitchell and thus I will point out when he sucks in a series and his overall season true shooting percentage (which isn't great), and his FT rate (which also isn't great) as much as I want.

Problem is, you point out the fact that Mitchell is two months older than Booker (which is meaningless), but don't point out the fact that Booker has three years of NBA experience compared to Mitchell's one year (which is not meaningless).

[darealjuice]

Its okay some Suns fans can't give credit where it's due

I can pull the same numbers for the year. It's funny because Jazz reporters even this season claimed guys like JR Smith are better than Devin Booker because he is a high usage scorer. Mitchell is older than Booker, and a less efficient high usage scorer, who they all laud for those same reasons. He is a great player who is unbelievably overrated on that team. I'll just say that. Ingles and Gobert are more important and get half the attention. That said, I do think Mitchell will become the best player on that team, but I find it beyond hypocritical how NBA reporters for the Jazz specifically treat guys like Booker relative to Mitchell and thus I will point out when he sucks in a series and his overall season true shooting percentage (which isn't great), and his FT rate (which also isn't great) as much as I want.

Problem is, you point out the fact that Mitchell is two months older than Booker (which is meaningless), but don't point out the fact that Booker has three years of NBA experience compared to Mitchell's one year (which is not meaningless).

How is age meaningless lol

[saintEscaton]

I can pull the same numbers for the year. It's funny because Jazz reporters even this season claimed guys like JR Smith are better than Devin Booker because he is a high usage scorer. Mitchell is older than Booker, and a less efficient high usage scorer, who they all laud for those same reasons. He is a great player who is unbelievably overrated on that team. I'll just say that. Ingles and Gobert are more important and get half the attention. That said, I do think Mitchell will become the best player on that team, but I find it beyond hypocritical how NBA reporters for the Jazz specifically treat guys like Booker relative to Mitchell and thus I will point out when he sucks in a series and his overall season true shooting percentage (which isn't great), and his FT rate (which also isn't great) as much as I want.

Problem is, you point out the fact that Mitchell is two months older than Booker (which is meaningless), but don't point out the fact that Booker has three years of NBA experience compared to Mitchell's one year (which is not meaningless).

How is age meaningless lol

They are basically the same age, splitting hairs there

[suns91fan]

I can pull the same numbers for the year. It's funny because Jazz reporters even this season claimed guys like JR Smith are better than Devin Booker because he is a high usage scorer. Mitchell is older than Booker, and a less efficient high usage scorer, who they all laud for those same reasons. He is a great player who is unbelievably overrated on that team. I'll just say that. Ingles and Gobert are more important and get half the attention. That said, I do think Mitchell will become the best player on that team, but I find it beyond hypocritical how NBA reporters for the Jazz specifically treat guys like Booker relative to Mitchell and thus I will point out when he sucks in a series and his overall season true shooting percentage (which isn't great), and his FT rate (which also isn't great) as much as I want.

Problem is, you point out the fact that Mitchell is two months older than Booker (which is meaningless), but don't point out the fact that Booker has three years of NBA experience compared to Mitchell's one year (which is not meaningless).

How is age meaningless lol

Age difference is meaningless. Or you want to say that two months matter?

[saintEscaton]

Problem is, you point out the fact that Mitchell is two months older than Booker (which is meaningless), but don't point out the fact that Booker has three years of NBA experience compared to Mitchell's one year (which is not meaningless).

How is age meaningless lol

Age difference is meaningless. Or you want to say that two months matter?

Mitchell's mom had him playing AAU ball as an infant obviously

[saintEscaton]

Overtime!

[AtheJ415]

Problem is, you point out the fact that Mitchell is two months older than Booker (which is meaningless), but don't point out the fact that Booker has three years of NBA experience compared to Mitchell's one year (which is not meaningless).

How is age meaningless lol

Age difference is meaningless. Or you want to say that two months matter?

If your entire media is going to goon a crusade against a player for not being a rookie simply because he was injured and watched hoops for a year, while your player played multiple years of college hoops and is also older, then yes, I am going to say it matters. Also, Booker is simply better than Mitchell at the same age, that is beyond meaningful. Your years of experience is less meaningful than age actually.

[saintEscaton]

How is age meaningless lol

Age difference is meaningless. Or you want to say that two months matter?

If your entire media is going to goon a crusade against a player for not being a rookie simply because he was injured and watched hoops for a year, while your player played multiple years of college hoops and is also older, then yes, I am going to say it matters.

Mitchell did that campaign in response to Simmons not acknowledging his play and being dissed in general. And also the age difference between him and Simmons is like two months too

[AtheJ415]

Age difference is meaningless. Or you want to say that two months matter?

If your entire media is going to goon a crusade against a player for not being a rookie simply because he was injured and watched hoops for a year, while your player played multiple years of college hoops and is also older, then yes, I am going to say it matters.

Mitchell did that campaign in response to Simmons not acknowledging his play and being a douchebag. And also the age difference between him and Simmons is like three months

No. The Jazz media has been doing that all year well before Simmons made that statement. They have been claiming Mitchell should win ROY for most of the season under some ridiculous notion that Simmons isn't a rookie.

[Kdab]

It's amazing what a great coach can do for a team.

[JMac1]

After watching Embiid...give me Bagley Young or Doncic. Slows the game down way too much and it isn’t worth his possible two points. Sixers are so stagnant on O, especially since Ben can’t shoot.