2019 season speculation including trade ideas

Crives · Post #381 » by **Crives** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 10:09 pm

matt131 wrote:

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Looks like we drafted the the next Klay

jcsunsfan · Post #382 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 10:26 pm

Crives wrote:
matt131 wrote:

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Looks like we drafted the the next Klay

Wait. I thought he was a horrible defender! It's still early I guess.

Saberestar · Post #383 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 10:49 pm

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darealjuice · Post #384 » by **darealjuice** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 11:11 pm

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Bummer. More important to get those guys ready for the regular season though. On the bright side, at least we'll see a lot of Cam Johnson.

Saberestar · Post #385 » by **Saberestar** » Mon Oct 7, 2019 11:22 pm

darealjuice wrote:
Saberestar wrote:

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Bummer. More important to get those guys ready for the regular season though. On the bright side, at least we'll see a lot of Cam Johnson.

Yeah, I like that Cam will get plenty of playing time in preseason games, but we need at least one of Oubre/Bridges being healthy to start the season.

Gorilla Warfare · Post #386 » by **Gorilla Warfare** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 1:11 am

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OT but this needed to be here somewhere.

darealjuice · Post #387 » by **darealjuice** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 1:52 am

Smh Dragan Bender dominating

Post #388 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 1:56 am

darealjuice wrote:Smh Dragan Bender dominating

Duh. I been saying it all last year, we gotta keep this guy. He’s only two years away now.

Post #389 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 2:37 am

Qwigglez wrote:
darealjuice wrote:Smh Dragan Bender dominating

Duh. I been saying it all last year, we gotta keep this guy. He’s only two years away now.

I wouldn't say killing it, and it is preseason obviously, but I still thought we should have picked up his option (QO). He was always a long term project. He probably won't pan out, but we obviously hold no rights, and they will probably keep him for dirt cheap if he shows anything. We probably could have even kept him for dirt cheap after declining the option (QO).

Post #390 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 3:22 am

I wished he showed more because as intriguing as his skill set and theoretical upside was, we had him for 3yrs and we had to make a decision but he just didn't shown enough. Unlike Warren who was a proven NBA player, with a proven skill set, Bender was a guy you could easily make an argument he wasn't worth keeping around for the MLE money he was going to be on. That said, I don't think I would be too surprised to see him have these "dominating" games every now and then but until he shows consistency and "dominating with regularity, it's still just flashes

Post #391 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 3:36 am

lilfishi22 wrote:I wished he showed more because as intriguing as his skill set and theoretical upside was, we had him for 3yrs and we had to make a decision but he just didn't shown enough. Unlike Warren who was a proven NBA player, with a proven skill set, Bender was a guy you could easily make an argument he wasn't worth keeping around for the MLE money he was going to be on. That said, I don't think I would be too surprised to see him have these "dominating" games every now and then but until he shows consistency and "dominating with regularity, it's still just flashes

Yeah, but even if we don't keep him at the QO, he was STILL working out here and I imagine would have signed for the minimum, or at least was MIL signed him to. Now I can see the argument of not keeping him, and you could argue who do you cut, but I would have dealt with those dominoes as they fell. I think moving on from Jackson and Chriss made sense. Jackson was going to be a lot of money and we would have had to commit to him for 2 more years. Bender would have made nothing. Rather would have them than Kaminsky. And while Carter will be a nice pesky 3rd PG, he is a short timer. I am not on the popular train of cut Okobo this early either. I don't think we should get rid of guys like him and Lecque after one year if they don't show much, not when we have $1 million options on them, less than 1% of the cap...you need those cheap contract, especially if they are young developing guys.

bwoolf2 · Post #392 » by **bwoolf2** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 3:48 am

bwgood77 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I wished he showed more because as intriguing as his skill set and theoretical upside was, we had him for 3yrs and we had to make a decision but he just didn't shown enough. Unlike Warren who was a proven NBA player, with a proven skill set, Bender was a guy you could easily make an argument he wasn't worth keeping around for the MLE money he was going to be on. That said, I don't think I would be too surprised to see him have these "dominating" games every now and then but until he shows consistency and "dominating with regularity, it's still just flashes

Yeah, but even if we don't keep him at the QO, he was STILL working out here and I imagine would have signed for the minimum, or at least was MIL signed him to. Now I can see the argument of not keeping him, and you could argue who do you cut, but I would have dealt with those dominoes as they fell. I think moving on from Jackson and Chriss made sense. Jackson was going to be a lot of money and we would have had to commit to him for 2 more years. Bender would have made nothing. Rather would have them than Kaminsky. And while Carter will be a nice pesky 3rd PG, he is a short timer. I am not on the popular train of cut Okobo this early either. I don't think we should get rid of guys like him and Lecque after one year if they don't show much, not when we have $1 million options on them, less than 1% of the cap...you need those cheap contract, especially if they are young developing guys.

Dialo is our 12th guy and he has a more defined role on this team than Bender would have, it was ti.e to move on. 1 preseason performance against the Bulls scrubs is not an indication of a breakthrough. if he does it all year for the Bucks we can have an argument about the move.

darealjuice · Post #393 » by **darealjuice** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 3:53 am

Gotta say that post was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but I do agree that we should have kept him if he was on the cheap. Might have helped to have Dario here to compete with instead of scrubs like Quese. Although I guess Kaminsky and Diallo aren’t any worse of dart throws.

Surprised the Bucks B team took down the Bulls. I’ve seen people call the Bulls sleepers for the playoffs in the East too.

Post #394 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 3:55 am

bwgood77 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I wished he showed more because as intriguing as his skill set and theoretical upside was, we had him for 3yrs and we had to make a decision but he just didn't shown enough. Unlike Warren who was a proven NBA player, with a proven skill set, Bender was a guy you could easily make an argument he wasn't worth keeping around for the MLE money he was going to be on. That said, I don't think I would be too surprised to see him have these "dominating" games every now and then but until he shows consistency and "dominating with regularity, it's still just flashes

Yeah, but even if we don't keep him at the QO, he was STILL working out here and I imagine would have signed for the minimum, or at least was MIL signed him to. Now I can see the argument of not keeping him, and you could argue who do you cut, but I would have dealt with those dominoes as they fell. I think moving on from Jackson and Chriss made sense. Jackson was going to be a lot of money and we would have had to commit to him for 2 more years. Bender would have made nothing. Rather would have them than Kaminsky. And while Carter will be a nice pesky 3rd PG, he is a short timer. I am not on the popular train of cut Okobo this early either. I don't think we should get rid of guys like him and Lecque after one year if they don't show much, not when we have $1 million options on them, less than 1% of the cap...you need those cheap contract, especially if they are young developing guys.

But I get the rationale for Kaminsky. We know what he is, we know what he can do and we know what he will provide. We have enough history on him to know what we're getting from him. Projections change over time and what Bender was projected to be when he was drafted isn't the same projections he's looking at now. If our goal is to compete and we've already seen 3 years of Bender to know what he's likely to project to become now, it would make more sense to replace him (for the same money) with someone who's already been that stretch 4/5.

Post #395 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 4:00 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I wished he showed more because as intriguing as his skill set and theoretical upside was, we had him for 3yrs and we had to make a decision but he just didn't shown enough. Unlike Warren who was a proven NBA player, with a proven skill set, Bender was a guy you could easily make an argument he wasn't worth keeping around for the MLE money he was going to be on. That said, I don't think I would be too surprised to see him have these "dominating" games every now and then but until he shows consistency and "dominating with regularity, it's still just flashes

Yeah, but even if we don't keep him at the QO, he was STILL working out here and I imagine would have signed for the minimum, or at least was MIL signed him to. Now I can see the argument of not keeping him, and you could argue who do you cut, but I would have dealt with those dominoes as they fell. I think moving on from Jackson and Chriss made sense. Jackson was going to be a lot of money and we would have had to commit to him for 2 more years. Bender would have made nothing. Rather would have them than Kaminsky. And while Carter will be a nice pesky 3rd PG, he is a short timer. I am not on the popular train of cut Okobo this early either. I don't think we should get rid of guys like him and Lecque after one year if they don't show much, not when we have $1 million options on them, less than 1% of the cap...you need those cheap contract, especially if they are young developing guys.

But I get the rationale for Kaminsky. We know what he is, we know what he can do and we know what he will provide. We have enough history on him to know what we're getting from him. Projections change over time and what Bender was projected to be when he was drafted isn't the same projections he's looking at now. If our goal is to compete and we've already seen 3 years of Bender to know what he's likely to project to become now, it would make more sense to replace him (for the same money) with someone who's already been that stretch 4/5.

Kaminsky is fine but he's probably overpaid and I much would have rather gotten Vonleh. I probably would have just waived Carter. Though that's putting the cart before the horse. I would have probably gone about the entire offseason a bit differently, but I'm pretty happy with where we are and excited for the season.

Our upside is obviously tied so much to Ayton and his defense. But if that comes through, if Cam can be somewhat Klay like and Mikal somewhat of a Covington type, we will be looking really good, especially if Jerome looks like he could be a capable long term PG and Rubio and Booker mesh well.

Gorilla Warfare · Post #396 » by **Gorilla Warfare** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 6:34 am

darealjuice wrote:Smh Dragan Bender dominating

Still fouled out.

sunsbg · Post #397 » by **sunsbg** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 11:53 am

Gorilla Warfare wrote:
darealjuice wrote:Smh Dragan Bender dominating

Still fouled out.

Improved 3PT shooting though - from almost 22% last season to 25% now. :lol:

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #398 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 12:56 pm

I've only watched highlights and looked at box scores but the one team that looks better than I expected so far is Orlando. Isaac, Gordon and Bamba all look much improved. Think I'll move them ahead of Detroit in my projections.

Post #399 » by **bwgood77** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 1:04 pm

ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:I've only watched highlights and looked at box scores but the one team that looks better than I expected so far is Orlando. Isaac, Gordon and Bamba all look much improved. Think I'll move them ahead of Detroit in my projections.

They did make the playoffs last year and beat Toronto in game 1. Isaac will be a stud. Gordon continues to improve and is an unexpectedly (from assessing him at Univ of Ariz) good passer. If Vucevic has the type of all star year he had last year, their frontcourt is stacked. Especially if Bamba comes along.....didn't you love him in the draft?

And that's all before talking about their Aminu signing and their draft pick Chuma Okeke (though I think he may be out awhile, if not the whole year).

If Fultz pans out to anything close to what was expected coming out of college, watch out.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #400 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Tue Oct 8, 2019 1:30 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
ImNotMcDiSwear wrote:I've only watched highlights and looked at box scores but the one team that looks better than I expected so far is Orlando. Isaac, Gordon and Bamba all look much improved. Think I'll move them ahead of Detroit in my projections.

They did make the playoffs last year and beat Toronto in game 1. Isaac will be a stud. Gordon continues to improve and is an unexpectedly (from assessing him at Univ of Ariz) good passer. If Vucevic has the type of all star year he had last year, their frontcourt is stacked. Especially if Bamba comes along.....didn't you love him in the draft?

And that's all before talking about their Aminu signing and their draft pick Chuma Okeke (though I think he may be out awhile, if not the whole year).

If Fultz pans out to anything close to what was expected coming out of college, watch out.

I liked Bamba, but I liked Ayton, Bagley and Doncic more. Came around on JJJ as well. Last year's draft was just stacked.

Will Booker make the all-star team this year?