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Post#381 » by Slim Charless » Sun Aug 9, 2020 8:52 pm

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It has been mentioned before a few times on the trade board, Can't seem to find the exact thread though? But basically it was originally something like Oubre for Kleber and the 31. Also mentioned that Oubre for Kleber and the 18 would be optimal. But Dallas fans replied with Kleber being better assumed value due to contract, So including the 18 would be an overpay. :roll: Some felt the fairest and most equitable value would be Oubre and the 10th for Kleber and the 31st pick. At that point I merely suggested Oubre for Delon Wright/ 18/31. Then planned on using the additional cap space ( partially) for one of Gallinari, Jerami Grant, Ibaka, Milsapp or Favors. And then the MLE for a Augustine or Holiday, or maybe Reggie Jackson and Bryn Forbes. So IF we successfully completed a trade around the premise of Oubre 10th for Maxi Kleber and the 18th / 31st picks, I would then look to:

18- Draft- Riller or Kira Lewis or Tyrell Terry!
31- Draft Tyler Bey, Elijah Hughes, Trevelin Queen. Overall, A lot of Dallas fans have the tendency to inflate ( Klebers') percieved value in trades due to contract and fit. But IF I knew that our front office was actually committed to moving Oubre, AND COULDN'T RESIGN HIM,
OR HE WOULDN'T CHOOSE TO RESIGN, Then this is definitely one trade that I would strongly consider! :wink:

The flip side of that coin however, would have us keeping Oubre for now, AND hopefully selecting Vassell at 10, And then adding 2 more picks. One in the early 20s' for Riller or Tyrell Terry. And then a 2nd round pick to add Killian Tillie or Paul Reed on the cheap. I mention Killian Tillie because even though he's been hyped as a poor man's Gallinari, I see him being much closer to a better shooting Maxi Kleber. One tangible trade possibility that I would be intrigued by though ( ZIF OUBRE IS LEAVING)?? Would be a trade up scenario with Atlanta: Oubre/ 10th pick for 4th / 54th pick. So we add a ton of cap space to put towards Gallinari, and then at 4, We GUARANTEE ourselves to get either Vassell (1st choice) or Okoro ( 2nd choice). Either can look down the perimeter and also the " point of attack " opposing ball handlers. And then at 54, I'm absolutely, 100% drafting Merrill to be our version of Kennard in the backcourt alongside of either Vassell ( hopefully) or Okoro. Elite offense ( Merrill) and Elite defense ( Vassell/ Okoro) off our bench! Lastly, I'd add a late first/ early 2nd to add either Paul Reed or Precious Achiuwa or Xavier Tillman to be our elite defensive frontcourt compliment off the bench. So from the draft, I really want this: ( for our depth issues):
- An ELITE lockdown perimeter defensive wing in either VASSELL or OKORO.
- An ELITE frontcourt versatile, switchable 4/5 defender in either Paul Reed or Precious Achiuwa or Xavier Tillman.
- An ELITE perimeter shooter ( floor spacer) with strong iso scoring and playmaking ability in Merrill. IF we address those 3 things within this draft/ offseason, Then we'll definitely be an upper tier playoff team going forward. :nod:


Those Dallas fans are absolutely insane. In what universe do we need to add value to get the **** player? We would need at least the 31st pick. KO walks into their locker room on his 1st day as the third best player they have.
I wouldn't really want Maxi anyway. I'd like to give Cam a honest run at the 4 but what I would like is more D and shot blocking there so if anything I'd use Oubre to trade up and grab Okgongwu. That way, we can sub in size and more athleticism when needed if Cams shot isn't falling or we're facing too big an opposing frontcourt. Also he'd be useful when Ayton gets in foul trouble


I'd be all for Okungwu! And I'd kill for a combination of Okungwu ( frontcourt) and Vassell or Okoro on the ( perimeter). Add either of those combinations to what we already have with Bridges, And we'd have an absolutely suffocating lockdown perimeter defense, As well as a very strong frontcourt defense with Okungwu and Ayton. Or If we can't land Okungwu, Then maybe one of: Smith or Reed or Achiuwa and Ayton? Then you just let your shooters bomb away, And our defense will shutdown the opposing teams offense! :nod:


If we can't get Okgongwu then I'd be happy with Achiuwa too. I'd think we'd still be smart to grab a young point to learn behind Rubio so I'd try and grab 1 of the ones that the Knicks have. There's like 3 there so we can get one of them cheaply id bet and all of them are former lotto picks so there's at least some talent there to be mined.
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Post#382 » by cberry78 » Sun Aug 9, 2020 8:57 pm

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The NBA has fined Golden State Warriors forward Draymond Green $50,000 for tampering because of comments he made about Phoenix Suns guard Devin Booker while he was serving as a TNT analyst, the league announced Sunday.

During Friday's broadcast, Green praised Booker and the Suns for their undefeated start in the NBA bubble at the Walt Disney World Resort, "but get my man out of Phoenix."

"It's not good for him. It's not good for his career," Green said. "... They gotta get Book out of Phoenix. I need my man to go somewhere where he can play great basketball all the time and win, because he's that type of player."


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29628273/draymond-green-gets-50000-tampering-fine-saying-devin-booker-leave-suns
As a player under contract with a team that player is at all times a representative of that team, and that team should also be fined/punished for the actions of the player if it had any potential affect on the league.

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Post#383 » by bwgood77 » Sun Aug 9, 2020 8:57 pm

suns12345 wrote:good article from Zach Lowe that has two phoenix related sections for those interested... sorry if it was posted already

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbareturn29594076/ten-things-like-including-most-exciting-nerd-thing-nba


A lot of good Booker and Bridges stuff in there..

Also, I know we saw a tweet mention that Lowe had said a little about this in a podcast, but this was interesting to read..

Phoenix also chased Malcolm Brogdon last summer, and he is a more obvious fit on offense next to Booker. "Phoenix was very serious," Brogdon told me in the fall. "That was definitely a possibility for me."


I am happy we ended up with Rubio based on each of their play this year, but I think it shows the FO was really thinking smartly about backcourt targets this past offseason. I think most of us wanted Brogdon out of potential FA's but didn't really think it was a possibility since he was restricted.
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Post#384 » by suns12345 » Sun Aug 9, 2020 10:19 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
suns12345 wrote:good article from Zach Lowe that has two phoenix related sections for those interested... sorry if it was posted already

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbareturn29594076/ten-things-like-including-most-exciting-nerd-thing-nba


A lot of good Booker and Bridges stuff in there..

Also, I know we saw a tweet mention that Lowe had said a little about this in a podcast, but this was interesting to read..

Phoenix also chased Malcolm Brogdon last summer, and he is a more obvious fit on offense next to Booker. "Phoenix was very serious," Brogdon told me in the fall. "That was definitely a possibility for me."


I am happy we ended up with Rubio based on each of their play this year, but I think it shows the FO was really thinking smartly about backcourt targets this past offseason. I think most of us wanted Brogdon out of potential FA's but didn't really think it was a possibility since he was restricted.


Lowe also mentioned that Brogdon was a fair bit overpaid, similar to rubio, so value for money they probably weren't too far apart
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Post#385 » by bwgood77 » Sun Aug 9, 2020 11:20 pm

suns12345 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
suns12345 wrote:good article from Zach Lowe that has two phoenix related sections for those interested... sorry if it was posted already

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/nbareturn29594076/ten-things-like-including-most-exciting-nerd-thing-nba


A lot of good Booker and Bridges stuff in there..

Also, I know we saw a tweet mention that Lowe had said a little about this in a podcast, but this was interesting to read..

Phoenix also chased Malcolm Brogdon last summer, and he is a more obvious fit on offense next to Booker. "Phoenix was very serious," Brogdon told me in the fall. "That was definitely a possibility for me."


I am happy we ended up with Rubio based on each of their play this year, but I think it shows the FO was really thinking smartly about backcourt targets this past offseason. I think most of us wanted Brogdon out of potential FA's but didn't really think it was a possibility since he was restricted.


Lowe also mentioned that Brogdon was a fair bit overpaid, similar to rubio, so value for money they probably weren't too far apart


My biggest fear with Rubio was Booker potentially dominating the ball rendering Rubio a bit useless, however, Booker has done well playing off ball at times, and while he had dominated the ball a bit too much for a lot of the season, Rubio is knocking down the open shots, so in that respect it hasn't been much of a problem. And then as of late, Booker is taking another step in playing smarter even when dominating the ball, often making the smart pass and more often hitting the big shots even though they may not be the best shots the team could take. So the Rubio experiment has worked about as good as I could have hoped, and Brogdon't 3 pt shooting has been awful...Rubio's 3 pt % is far better this year which I never would have anticipated.
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Post#386 » by sunskerr » Sun Aug 9, 2020 11:52 pm

Rubio is shooting a career high 3P%. Next year he should bump his volume up, which will help our spacing out.

He's been a remarkably good fit next to Booker as they both seem to not have taken a hit in individual assists per game. Booker is down only 0.2 apg from last season, at 6.6, and Rubio is up from his Utah years to 8.7 apg. This is actually a pretty good indicator of how Monty has been able to create a system that fits the strengths of his best players, allowing Booker and Rubio to hit these crazy assist numbers at the same time.
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Post#387 » by Frank Lee » Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:03 am

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Post#388 » by Slim Charless » Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:48 am

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Those Dallas fans are absolutely insane. In what universe do we need to add value to get the **** player? We would need at least the 31st pick. KO walks into their locker room on his 1st day as the third best player they have.
I wouldn't really want Maxi anyway. I'd like to give Cam a honest run at the 4 but what I would like is more D and shot blocking there so if anything I'd use Oubre to trade up and grab Okgongwu. That way, we can sub in size and more athleticism when needed if Cams shot isn't falling or we're facing too big an opposing frontcourt. Also he'd be useful when Ayton gets in foul trouble


I'd be all for Okungwu! And I'd kill for a combination of Okungwu ( frontcourt) and Vassell or Okoro on the ( perimeter). Add either of those combinations to what we already have with Bridges, And we'd have an absolutely suffocating lockdown perimeter defense, As well as a very strong frontcourt defense with Okungwu and Ayton. Or If we can't land Okungwu, Then maybe one of: Smith or Reed or Achiuwa and Ayton? Then you just let your shooters bomb away, And our defense will shutdown the opposing teams offense! :nod:


If we can't get Okgongwu then I'd be happy with Achiuwa too. I'd think we'd still be smart to grab a young point to learn behind Rubio so I'd try and grab 1 of the ones that the Knicks have. There's like 3 there so we can get one of them cheaply id bet and all of them are former lotto picks so there's at least some talent there to be mined.


Just saw that tankathon has us projected to land Toppin :o :D I've thought that he was a lock for the top 3 in this draft and didn't see him falling that far. That would amazing as he would be the perfect stretch 4 to play with Ayton, has a very high floor along with being an older player whose more ready to play right now and wouldn't need as much seasoning hopefully. He, like Clarke last year, is a mature and team oriented player who would be a great addition to the locker room.
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Post#389 » by Christine-In-AZ » Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:04 am

Crazy specific, but for fun and conversation- Given a choice of these two scenarios, which would you pick if these were the only two choices available?

A) Suns win last 3, Memphis goes 1-1, Blazers 1-1
Suns beat the Grizzlies twice, going 10-0 in The Bubble and then play well, but are swept by the Lakers in the playoffs.
Have the 15th pick in the upcoming draft.


B) Suns win last 3, Memphis goes 0-2, Blazers 2-0
Suns win Game One of the play-in, but lose to the Blazers in a great Game Two and the season ends with a 9 and 1 bubble record.
With the 10th position in the lottery Phoenix lucks up to the 4th pick in the draft

It's close for me, but right now, I'd be leaning towards "B" if I had the superpower to choose.

Tomorrow? Or Thursday? IDK
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Post#390 » by Slim Charless » Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:21 am

ChrisInAZ wrote:Crazy specific, but for fun and conversation- Given a choice of these two scenarios, which would you pick if these were the only two choices available?

A) Suns win last 3, Memphis goes 1-1, Blazers 1-1
Suns beat the Grizzlies twice, going 10-0 in The Bubble and then play well, but are swept by the Lakers in the playoffs.
Have the 15th pick in the upcoming draft.


B) Suns win last 3, Memphis goes 0-2, Blazers 2-0
Suns win Game One of the play-in, but lose to the Blazers in a great Game Two and the season ends with a 9 and 1 bubble record.
With the 10th position in the lottery Phoenix lucks up to the 4th pick in the draft

It's close for me, but right now, I'd be leaning towards "B" if I had the superpower to choose.

Tomorrow? Or Thursday? IDK


This draft is pretty spread out outside of the top 3 so imo, there's not a HUGE difference between 4 and 15. I'd take the playoffs all day. You didn't mention how close those games that we'd play against LAL would be. I think we can play them tough every game personally. So even if we lose all four, I think that each game could come down to the last minute. That kind of seasoning would be great for our young guys, while still using someone like Oubre to move up if need be once the draft rolls around.
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Post#391 » by cberry78 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:29 am

Frank Lee wrote:I swear some of you must think we have a 20 man roster to fill

Well, our entire team is garbage, so.....
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Post#392 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:37 am

ChrisInAZ wrote:Crazy specific, but for fun and conversation- Given a choice of these two scenarios, which would you pick if these were the only two choices available?

A) Suns win last 3, Memphis goes 1-1, Blazers 1-1
Suns beat the Grizzlies twice, going 10-0 in The Bubble and then play well, but are swept by the Lakers in the playoffs.
Have the 15th pick in the upcoming draft.


B) Suns win last 3, Memphis goes 0-2, Blazers 2-0
Suns win Game One of the play-in, but lose to the Blazers in a great Game Two and the season ends with a 9 and 1 bubble record.
With the 10th position in the lottery Phoenix lucks up to the 4th pick in the draft

It's close for me, but right now, I'd be leaning towards "B" if I had the superpower to choose.

Tomorrow? Or Thursday? IDK

Give me the broom treatment

There's one thing the core young guys (in particular Book) have not experienced and that's playoff basketball. The young guys are just playing NBA games right now, that's their entire NBA experience. NBA experience is one thing, the playoffs are a different game altogether. The intensity, the stakes, the media attention and the game planning for a single team is just on another level and until the young guys get a taste of it and gain a thirst for it, it will ALWAYS just be a mythical thing to them.

We've tried drafting and the entire point of that is to put us on a path of contention and the first step is to get build the team, the second step is to improve, the third step is to contend for a playoff spot and the next step after that is to play in the post-season. We're at the third step now with an opportunity to take that next step. Give Booker and the young guys a taste of what basketball at the next level is like, even if it means they get swept.

Making their first playoffs and getting swept is not uncommon and quite often is expected from young teams that make a low playoff seed. But I guarantee the young guys won't hesitate to choose A over B.
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Post#393 » by bigfoot » Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:44 am

ChrisInAZ wrote:Crazy specific, but for fun and conversation- Given a choice of these two scenarios, which would you pick if these were the only two choices available?

A) Suns win last 3, Memphis goes 1-1, Blazers 1-1
Suns beat the Grizzlies twice, going 10-0 in The Bubble and then play well, but are swept by the Lakers in the playoffs.
Have the 15th pick in the upcoming draft.


B) Suns win last 3, Memphis goes 0-2, Blazers 2-0
Suns win Game One of the play-in, but lose to the Blazers in a great Game Two and the season ends with a 9 and 1 bubble record.
With the 10th position in the lottery Phoenix lucks up to the 4th pick in the draft

It's close for me, but right now, I'd be leaning towards "B" if I had the superpower to choose.

Tomorrow? Or Thursday? IDK


So here is what's happening ... Suns go 3-0. Grizz go 0-2, Blazers go 0-2, Suns are in 8th place and beat the Griz 1-0 in the play-in series to make the playoffs Then the Suns win 4-3 against the Lakers in an epic 7 game series where Booker averages 40 per game. I'd be happy picking 30th when that happens.
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Post#394 » by Revived » Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:42 am

If Oubre isn’t in our long term plan, I would try to go after Bogdanovic to be our 6th man off the bench. Perfect role for him with his playmaking and scoring ability.

I’m assuming we go after Bogdan with the $$ we’re paying Oubre when both hit free agency which I believe is the same tome. Or perhaps we trade Oubre to Sacramento for him.

Bridges can continue to start at the 3 and maybe we can sign a gritty backup 3 & D SF like Jae Crowder for cheap.
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Post#395 » by charley barkles » Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:35 am

ChrisInAZ wrote:Crazy specific, but for fun and conversation- Given a choice of these two scenarios, which would you pick if these were the only two choices available?

A) Suns win last 3, Memphis goes 1-1, Blazers 1-1
Suns beat the Grizzlies twice, going 10-0 in The Bubble and then play well, but are swept by the Lakers in the playoffs.
Have the 15th pick in the upcoming draft.


B) Suns win last 3, Memphis goes 0-2, Blazers 2-0
Suns win Game One of the play-in, but lose to the Blazers in a great Game Two and the season ends with a 9 and 1 bubble record.
With the 10th position in the lottery Phoenix lucks up to the 4th pick in the draft

It's close for me, but right now, I'd be leaning towards "B" if I had the superpower to choose.

Tomorrow? Or Thursday? IDK


You left out the best part about scenario B:

The Blazers then upset the Lakers in the first round. AD realizes Lebron is only getting older and the rest of their team is trash, so he opts out and sees the Suns as the best fit based on personnel and age, plus he desires to play for Monty again.

The Suns run Rubio/Book/Mikal/AD/Ayton and destroy the league for the next several years.
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Post#396 » by nevetsov » Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:40 am

Frank Lee wrote:I swear some of you must think we have a 20 man roster to fill


We just sign the standard 17 players and add the rest to our G-League team!

Oh wait... :lol:
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Post#397 » by Qwigglez » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:22 am

bigfoot wrote:
ChrisInAZ wrote:Crazy specific, but for fun and conversation- Given a choice of these two scenarios, which would you pick if these were the only two choices available?

A) Suns win last 3, Memphis goes 1-1, Blazers 1-1
Suns beat the Grizzlies twice, going 10-0 in The Bubble and then play well, but are swept by the Lakers in the playoffs.
Have the 15th pick in the upcoming draft.


B) Suns win last 3, Memphis goes 0-2, Blazers 2-0
Suns win Game One of the play-in, but lose to the Blazers in a great Game Two and the season ends with a 9 and 1 bubble record.
With the 10th position in the lottery Phoenix lucks up to the 4th pick in the draft

It's close for me, but right now, I'd be leaning towards "B" if I had the superpower to choose.

Tomorrow? Or Thursday? IDK


So here is what's happening ... Suns go 3-0. Grizz go 0-2, Blazers go 0-2, Suns are in 8th place and beat the Griz 1-0 in the play-in series to make the playoffs Then the Suns win 4-3 against the Lakers in an epic 7 game series where Booker averages 40 per game. I'd be happy picking 30th when that happens.


Sorry but not even close to being realistic here. Blazers aren't gonna go 0-2, they will go 1-1. We play the Blazers in the play-in and beat them. We face the Lakers in the 1st round, Booker drains a buzzer beater over the outstretched hands of Lebron and Davis in the 1st game and Suns win 125-122. The Lakers losing the first game shook Lebron up so much that they ended up dropping the next 3 against the Suns. Phoenix Suns championship time.
And the Luka vs Ayton talk is put to rest. :)
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Post#398 » by darmani » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:44 pm

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Post#399 » by Flying Colors » Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:56 pm

ChrisInAZ wrote:Crazy specific, but for fun and conversation- Given a choice of these two scenarios, which would you pick if these were the only two choices available?

A) Suns win last 3, Memphis goes 1-1, Blazers 1-1
Suns beat the Grizzlies twice, going 10-0 in The Bubble and then play well, but are swept by the Lakers in the playoffs.
Have the 15th pick in the upcoming draft.


B) Suns win last 3, Memphis goes 0-2, Blazers 2-0
Suns win Game One of the play-in, but lose to the Blazers in a great Game Two and the season ends with a 9 and 1 bubble record.
With the 10th position in the lottery Phoenix lucks up to the 4th pick in the draft

It's close for me, but right now, I'd be leaning towards "B" if I had the superpower to choose.

Tomorrow? Or Thursday? IDK

Getting our young guys some playoff experience seems more valuable to me at this moment then a higher pick un the draft, i think we’d build better momentum next season with the playoffs.
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Post#400 » by Jarlaxle0204 » Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:48 pm

Easily option A and it isn't close. Playoffs mean a lot for a young team and would greatly increase their confidence and the marketability of our team to future free agents.

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