2021-22 Season/Offseason Speculation

[bwgood77]

Sloshing around in the spilled milk. Hehe

Don’t really care about slots 11 and on. We clearly are not in the acquire a rookie/youngster business. Stay healthy and it won’t matter. Pull up lame, then go shopping.

I was thinking earlier that our board must discuss who we better sign with the 15th roster spot more than any other board.

Yeah, a bit exessive about Ty-Shan and the such. However, in my opinion it's not that much about the actual player or the 15th spot, but the direction overall. Not a good message. No youngsters at all, while not going all in during our 2 year window. If we don't have the two ways then why are we not using BAE or the rest of the MLE or get the DPE with Saric's injury? Why not get a full MLE type guy and get a "McGee" with one of these contract types? We are waiting for the buyout market which might or might not happen or rut-of-the-litter Millsap who was let go by Denver while they signed Green from Brooklyn (!!!) - who is actually a good sub, not a done-stuck-a-fork-in-it type "token vet" like Millsap. What gives?

For the casual fan it's more than enough that we are a good playoff team with HCA in the first round. The spin doctors can sell it how we have a REAL chance to win it all, while we are the 5th-6th best team in the league.

Don't get me wrong, I loved last year, and I'll love this year, especially after a decade of suckitude, but I'd love to see us win a chip in my lifetime, which could have been achieved last year had Jones made the move (sign McGee) that most of this board was screaming for and was actually doable. This offseason he made the move, but I have a feeling that we are getting ready for the 2021 playoffs in the 2021 offseason, which might not be the best way to go about the 2022 playoffs.

Yeah, it didn't make sense to give up on Ty-Shon if they had developed him, but they always try to do right by their players and he likely wanted a chance to make a team this season so they gave him a chance to do so (and maybe the agent knows some other team(s) has/have interest). I'm sure it was a player/agent request since we didn't have to free an open two way to sign a guy since we have another open spot. Some call it a cheap move but as far as I know his contract wasn't unguaranteed and we still need to pay him.

They may want BAE next year. Rest of the MLE..could still use. I don't see any major needs though. If Jalen isn't ready maybe a 3rd 4/5 type who can switch or key vet but nothing pressing at all. We may want to invite 3-4 guys to camp and have them battle it out for the last roster spot.

[cberry78]

David Aldridge ranks our offseason moves #15 out of all the teams:

15) Phoenix Suns
2020-21 record: 51-21; lost in NBA Finals

Added: G Landry Shamet (acquired from Brooklyn); C JaVale McGee (one year, $5 million); G Elfrid Payton (one year, $2.2 million)

Lost: G Jevon Carter (traded to Brooklyn); C Day’Ron Sharpe (draft rights traded to Brooklyn)

Retained: G Chris Paul (four years, $120 million); G Cameron Payne (three years, $19 million); F/C Frank Kaminsky (one year, $2 million): F Abdel Nader (two years, $4.1 million)

Extended: None

Returning from injury: F Dario Saric (torn ACL)

The skinny: The Suns’ quick summer depended solely on whether they’d pay up for what CP3 delivered last season — leading a turnaround that reversed a decade of losing and irrelevance, rolling through the West in the playoffs and winding up in the Finals. They did, taking Paul through at least his age 39 season. It’s easy to say it was an overpay. (It turns out that keeping a championship-caliber team together more than a year or two is expensive.) Paul wasn’t giving Robert Sarver any hometown discount, and he shouldn’t have. So, with Paul and Payne back to take care of the ball and Devin Booker to put it in the basket, Phoenix will run it back, along with Shamet and McGee, who’ll step in for Saric and provide solid backup center minutes behind Deandre Ayton. Shamet rises to a more traditional sixth-/seventh-man role in Phoenix after serving more as backcourt insurance in Brooklyn. If Monty Williams can manage Paul through the regular season and get him to the postseason healthy, there’s no reason Phoenix can’t make another real run at it next year.

Is Aldridge just completely ignoring the fact that the last 2 years of CP3's contract are not fully guaranteed?

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[bwgood77]

David Aldridge ranks our offseason moves #15 out of all the teams:

15) Phoenix Suns
2020-21 record: 51-21; lost in NBA Finals

Added: G Landry Shamet (acquired from Brooklyn); C JaVale McGee (one year, $5 million); G Elfrid Payton (one year, $2.2 million)

Lost: G Jevon Carter (traded to Brooklyn); C Day’Ron Sharpe (draft rights traded to Brooklyn)

Retained: G Chris Paul (four years, $120 million); G Cameron Payne (three years, $19 million); F/C Frank Kaminsky (one year, $2 million): F Abdel Nader (two years, $4.1 million)

Extended: None

Returning from injury: F Dario Saric (torn ACL)

The skinny: The Suns’ quick summer depended solely on whether they’d pay up for what CP3 delivered last season — leading a turnaround that reversed a decade of losing and irrelevance, rolling through the West in the playoffs and winding up in the Finals. They did, taking Paul through at least his age 39 season. It’s easy to say it was an overpay. (It turns out that keeping a championship-caliber team together more than a year or two is expensive.) Paul wasn’t giving Robert Sarver any hometown discount, and he shouldn’t have. So, with Paul and Payne back to take care of the ball and Devin Booker to put it in the basket, Phoenix will run it back, along with Shamet and McGee, who’ll step in for Saric and provide solid backup center minutes behind Deandre Ayton. Shamet rises to a more traditional sixth-/seventh-man role in Phoenix after serving more as backcourt insurance in Brooklyn. If Monty Williams can manage Paul through the regular season and get him to the postseason healthy, there’s no reason Phoenix can’t make another real run at it next year.

Is Aldridge just completely ignoring the fact that the last 2 years of CP3's contract are not fully guaranteed?

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Yeah, but I don't think that's widely known or been tweeted out about nationally, though I can't remember. If he really didn't know, then I imagine we'd move up in the rankings. People often don't even think about us signing the CPs to contracts when looking at our offseason. These guys could have gone anywhere and both probably took less guaranteed money to sign with the Suns. That's the main reason why I give our offseason a B though we also filled our two major holes with solid players in Shamet and McGee. Not a huge McGee fan but solid backup and good rim protector and rebounder.

[RunDogGun]

Well that settles that.

The price for nance jr didn't seem too high. I wonder if we tried and just didn't have the right deal for them.

I wonder also if Jones just feels comfy with Jalen Smith. It would be AMAZING if he turned into a reliable shooter/rebounder/shot blocker off the bench for about 10 to 15 minutes per game. I think the shooting and rebounding is possible, but he played pretty terrible defense in summer league

I still think that Love is in a position of strength, and saying he doesn't want a buy out, it forces Cleveland to up their buy out amount if they do want to move away from him. It is a smart business move.

[Saberestar]

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[El Hespiritu]

Not sure if there's any other major move left for next season (before or during it).

Ignoring that, I think Shamet is a good asset, PointForward JaVale looks more of a locker-room addition (I think he has some game yet tho) and terribly unconfident on Elfridio's display
I'll miss Huevón but Monty stated firmly enough match after match he had currently no tactical gameplan where someone like him can be useful.

From this same tactical pov I get why they want a guy like Payton.
If something has become pretty aparent during past season is: when Carlton seats, nobody out there take the reigns.
You can IsoBook or you can run full speed to and fro as 5 beheaded chickens... those are the options.

Both Frarío were supposed to help there doing Point Forward but whatever because health, inconsistence or lack of level, they mostly didn't.

Honestly, the idea of a Pay-ne-ton backcourt terrifies me.
I guess JJonah and Monty think they can fit well together due to their similar hair-style taste.

[lilfishi22]

Even if Love gets bought out and it makes sense for him to join us, I just don't see it happening. Even if we can afford to give him a couple mil more, I think winning another championship is more valuable than a couple extra mil.

Fact is, there are other teams which are better built for him to be a championship contributor without having the expectations to do so. ie if he was the join the Lakers, he could really make an impact but if he doesn't they could probably still win a title. It's a win-win for him.

For us, I think he will need to be a lot better than what he's been the last few seasons. The expectations that he'll be that guy will be significantly higher than if he was to join a Brooklyn or LA or even a Milwaukee

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[AtheJ415]

If we were going to cut Ty Shon I would've rather done it 3 weeks ago and added Riller.

[Puff]

I think most of us were impressed with the moves that Jones made to the end of our roster last year (Moore and Galloway). Let's hope he does his job well again. Let's hope Smith is who a lot of us thought he was when we drafted him.

[Bogyo]

I think most of us were impressed with the moves that Jones made to the end of our roster last year (Moore and Galloway). Let's hope he does his job well again. Let's hope Smith is who a lot of us thought he was when we drafted him.

Agreed. Otherwise we are coming up short again.

[bigfoot]

Thoughts on LaMarcus Aldridge. Sounds like he may play after all. Should the Suns pursue?

[Fo-Real]

Thoughts on LaMarcus Aldridge. Sounds like he may play after all. Should the Suns pursue?

He's not coming out of retirement to play for the Suns!!

[Bogyo]

Thoughts on LaMarcus Aldridge. Sounds like he may play after all. Should the Suns pursue?

Vet min probably, but I'm not a fan, he doesn't really bring anything at this point. He is done-done, not like Blake Griffin was, who was only dogging it.

Also - I do NOT want to be the first NBA team who has a player collapsing mid game due to health problems. Seen enough of those in soccer here in Europe, actually seen a game where a player died. That would f up the whole season, and the whole team beyond this season.

I'd much rather have a Craig-type to fill in the physical-athletic void we still lack on the wing. Too bad we let him go, he would have fit in the rest of our MLE - or very close, so I wouldn't have minded a 2nd year. Those 2yrs seems to be our strategy as well. We'll have a pretty clear house (outside of our big three of Book, DA and Mikal) 2 seasons from now it seems. Crowder and Saric done, CP and Payne with options for that year. That's about 40 mill right there. Good thinking, as that seems to be our window with CP, althoug I still don't really understand why we do not go all in now (or develop 1-2 youngsters in the G-League and see if we strike gold, I mean we'd have like 4-5 tries in the next 2 years for that).

[Saberestar]

Thoughts on LaMarcus Aldridge. Sounds like he may play after all. Should the Suns pursue?

I would sign him, no doubt about it.

I prefer him over Millsap or whoever is available at this point.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Thoughts on LaMarcus Aldridge. Sounds like he may play after all. Should the Suns pursue?

I would sign him, no doubt about it.

I prefer him over Millsap or whoever is available at this point.

I just don't see a role for him on this squad. He's purely a 5 at this point. And though he can't shoot, he doesn't rebound. I much prefer McGee, actually.

[Saberestar]

Thoughts on LaMarcus Aldridge. Sounds like he may play after all. Should the Suns pursue?

I would sign him, no doubt about it.

I prefer him over Millsap or whoever is available at this point.

I just don't see a role for him on this squad. He's purely a 5 at this point. And though he can't shoot, he doesn't rebound. I much prefer McGee, actually.

He will give us a type of player that we don't have on the roster. He is a frontcourt player that can create his own shot.

He could play some minutes next to Ayton. Offensively that would not be a problem at all because he is a nice shooter, and defensively he could defend 5s and Ayton 4s for a few minutes per game or depending on matchups.

Love and Millsap are worse defenders than Aldridge, they are as slow as him but they don't have his length and size. Aldridge can really bother shots at the rim even at his old age.

IDK, it is a long shot because of his health and all his other options (Lakers, Nets...) but I have always been a fan of him and I think he would help us a lot. He trying to be back says a lot about his passion for the game.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I would sign him, no doubt about it.

I prefer him over Millsap or whoever is available at this point.

I just don't see a role for him on this squad. He's purely a 5 at this point. And though he can't shoot, he doesn't rebound. I much prefer McGee, actually.

He will give us a type of player that we don't have on the roster. He is a frontcourt player that can create his own shot.

He could play some minutes next to Ayton. Offensively that would not be a problem at all because he is a nice shooter, and defensively he could defend 5s and Ayton 4s for a few minutes per game or depending on matchups.

Love and Millsap are worse defenders than Aldridge, they are as slow as him but they don't have his length and size. Aldridge can really bother shots at the rim even at his old age.

IDK, it is a long shot because of his health and all his other options (Lakers, Nets...) but I have always been a fan of him and I think he would help us a lot. He trying to be back says a lot about his passion for the game.

You make a good point - if we're interested in Love (or Millsap), then it stands to reason we should be interested in Aldridge. I guess that leads me the conclusion that... we're not interested in any of them. My best guess is we're squarely focused on players who can defend multiple positions.

I guess one could ask, then, why we didn't match the Blazers' offer for Nance. I think the best answer there is: we couldn't. A healthy Derrick Jones with one year remaining on his deal is better than a busted Saric with two years remaining, and more importantly, a lotto-protect pick from the Blazers is probably more valuable than an unprotected pick from us. Plus it's possible we were very reasonably scared away by his injury history.

I think the smoke around Thad Young to the Suns probably emanates from a small fire. Don't know who else fits the bill at this point who might be available.

[Years90Suns]

I am not happy with the moves we did this summer.

I am happy that we got a back up center, but McGee was not the player I would have chosen a different player, as he has no understanding of the game and once he enters the court, everybody has to adapt to this.
Ayton can set screens, receive ally oops, shoot... Javale cannot do most of those things, except the alleys.

In second place, I would have get ridden of Crowder. I would like to have someone taller and more athletic, as we lack players blocking shots, getting rebounds in traffic (my feeling, not based on statistics).

I am happy with the returning of Paul, Payne, Frank. But I would try to move Crowder and Saric for a real PF. Nance would have been perfect. They are too similar.

[bigfoot]

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