Chriss is out of the league for a reason. Well, two reasons...he is a headcase and bad at basketball.
Lowest basketball IQ that I have seen in my **** life... Alex Len is like prime Magic Johnson compared to him.
Cam Payne was bad at basketball too. Chriss is out because he got injured. He was playing well for the Warriors. Bring him in on a non-guaranteed contract to back up Smith. I think throwing away Saric and Smith in a Thad Young trade is a really bad idea.
Payne was never a headcase so the difference between them is huge.
Chriss helped the Warriors with their tanking. They got the #2 pick playing him decent minutes per game. Look how they value him...they are not offering him even a minimum contract.
Chriss is at least as good as Damian Jones, his biggest issue was maturity and work ethic and i think spending time with Draymond Green may have helped those issues, at worst he would be a little used insurance policy but considering how limited athletically some of our backup bigs are he could add something in short supply on the suns, low risk moderate upside
Chriss is out of the league for a reason. Well, two reasons...he is a headcase and bad at basketball.
Lowest basketball IQ that I have seen in my **** life... Alex Len is like prime Magic Johnson compared to him.
Cam Payne was bad at basketball too. Chriss is out because he got injured. He was playing well for the Warriors. Bring him in on a non-guaranteed contract to back up Smith. I think throwing away Saric and Smith in a Thad Young trade is a really bad idea.
Payne was never a headcase so the difference between them is huge.
Chriss helped the Warriors with their tanking. They got the #2 pick playing him decent minutes per game. Look how they value him...they are not offering him even a minimum contract.
Even when he was putting up numbers, I hated Chriss. I hate the way he plays, like he's running in quicksand. He's not just a bona fide idiot. He's a bona fide **** on the court. He bullies and hits because he's always late to the ball because he doesn't hustle and gets mad at players who do.
IMO, the reason he's not overseas already is he know he won't do well there. F*** him. Hope he invested that rookie contract money wisely.
As part of that trade, they lost Thaddeus Young in the deal. The Athletic reported the Suns have been eying him. Keep an eye on Jalen Smith, who’s been made available by the Suns according to multiple sources around the league who’ve spoken with HoopsHype.
bigfoot wrote:Not sure if there is a needle mover available at PF for the Suns. Suns have Crowder and Johnson right now. Thad Young really isn't better than either of them and costs us assets in the long run. Still, there is a need for a warm body to serve as the 3rd stringer and push Smith. Wonder what Monty could do to help Marquese Chriss?
I would rather try to fill the SG 3rd stringer spot with two-way players and find a PF with "some" NBA experience.
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Chriss is out of the league for a reason. Well, two reasons...he is a headcase and bad at basketball.
Lowest basketball IQ that I have seen in my **** life... Alex Len is like prime Magic Johnson compared to him.
Well, IF were looking at best value for 3rd rotation 4/5s' that would really competitively push Smiths' progression, Barkley 6 actually offered a really intriguing consideration in Isiah Hartenstein, Who at 6'11-7 ft 250 lbs, has a really versatile skill set. Now he's still obviously a bit raw. But he plays with a relentless energy and high motor. He's seemingly relentless on rebounds and on defense, which would be somewhat refreshing. He can also play either the 4 or the 5. Ideally, He would slot in as the 3rd string 4 behind Smith, And Kaminsky would move to the 3rd string 5. That way, Kaminsky could better utilize his mobility and floor spacing against 3rd string centers, Whilst Hartenstein does his damage in the post, rebounding and defending.
However, If were intending to just have Kaminsky be our 3rd string 4, Then do to his passivity and lack of most any dominant trait, We should look to bring in a strong defensive 3rd string 5 that can patrol the paint, Block shots, and rebound!
IF Kaminsky is at the 4, Then our best 3rd string options are: (All two -way contract options)
1- Isiah Hartenstein ( solid versatility at either position). **Kaminskys' eventual replacement at end of season.
2- Christ Koumadje. At 7'4 270 lbs and with a massive wingspan, He'd be a strong defensive compliment to Kaminskys' finesse style. He'd absolutely dominate the paint. He can be our Boban!!
3-Luke Kornet. 7'2 with some floor spacing ability. He could basically be interchangeable with Kaminsky at the 4/5.
4- Donta Hall (G-league). He's got size at 6'9 with a 7'5 wingspan, explosive vertical burst, And he plays with great physicality and tenacity. He'd be a more explosive Montrez Harrell for us! But also definitely an exciting energizer for our bench.
5- Norvelle Pelle. At 6'10-6'11 with a 7'3 wingspan and good physicality, He's a defensive stalwart in the paint, And a shot blocking machine!!
Then you use our last open roster position on a 3rd string 2/3. The best remaining choices being:
1- James Ennis. 2- Alfonso Mckinnie. 3- Denzel Valentine. 4- Caleb Martin. 5-Stanley Johnson.
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So AZcentral wants us to give up last year's 10th pick and another draft pick for a guy we would bring off the bench? For one year? That would make a bad summer to be giving out draft picks for bench players, who are not good defenders.
Can't we find a starting pf, using these draft picks?
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If the Spurs were offered a first, Jalen Smith and Dario for 1 year of Young they would laugh their asses off and accept immediately. We'd also be trading like a a 2024 1st, and who knows where we will be then...but we already would have been without a 1st rounder in 2020, 2021, 2022 and then 2024 so we'd have few rookie contracts and very little money to spend if we still had our core.
Giving away that much for like a 10th man of the rotation for 1 year (not saying he'd be the 10th best, but we already have a 9 man rotation at least) would be ridiculous.
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Thought the advanced metrics stuff of Young being one of the better defenders against 'versatile bigs' like AD and Giannis was pretty solid. I also was not aware he was that good of a playmaker.
I kind of feel like this is going to happen. My hunch is that San Antonio is holding out over getting some kind of draft compensation and the Suns are standing firm on Saric+Smith.
bwgood77 wrote:If the Spurs were offered a first, Jalen Smith and Dario for 1 year of Young they would laugh their asses off and accept immediately. We'd also be trading like a a 2024 1st, and who knows where we will be then...but we already would have been without a 1st rounder in 2020, 2021, 2022 and then 2024 so we'd have few rookie contracts and very little money to spend if we still had our core.
Giving away that much for like a 10th man of the rotation for 1 year (not saying he'd be the 10th best, but we already have a 9 man rotation at least) would be ridiculous.
Would it kind of be reminiscent of the 2005 suns ( Kurt Thomas era) all over again, In which we kept trading or selling off picks? Different context a bit I know. But also some similarities in continually giving up picks in interest of veterans to try and contend more?
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Thought the advanced metrics stuff of Young being one of the better defenders against 'versatile bigs' like AD and Giannis was pretty solid. I also was not aware he was that good of a playmaker.
I kind of feel like this is going to happen. My hunch is that San Antonio is holding out over getting some kind of draft compensation and the Suns are standing firm on Saric+Smith.
Antetokounmpo played like the unstoppable force the league has come to fear, racking up a triple-double (33 points, 19 rebounds, 11 assists) and put the “Young is a Giannis-killer” talk to bed.
Stopping Giannis is absolutely a team effort. And it's a big help when you have Myles Turner backing you up in the paint as well as Cory Joseph and Bogdan Bogdanovic to help cut off his drives. apparently he was successful by using his wingspan and quick hands to knock the ball loose on his drives, Also his quick feet to stay up on him and as a team, steer him to the baseline, As well as working to double and triple team him to force him into taking long 2s' ( jumpshots). So whilst he is a solid defender on him occasionally, it's moreover the team focusing in on him that'll suppress his dominance.
IF we do in fact trade for him, Then I think it would be Smart to add more size to our 3rd string. Upon reflection, I actually do think it would be highly advantageous for us to add a versatile big like Hartenstein with his high motor and tenacity to make Giannis' drives to the rim more difficult. I would also ( post trade) look at using our last roster spot ( 15th on a strong defensive wing such as Stanley Johnson to help double team Giannis in specific matchups to really negate his drives, And have McGee or Hartenstein behind at the 5 to add supportive defensive length around the rim should he manage to get past that double team focus.
So our lineup would become:
STARTERS Paul/ Booker/ Bridges/ Crowder/ Ayton.
2ND UNIT Payne/ Shamet/ Johnson/ Young/ McGee.
3RD UNIT Payton/ Nader/ Stan Johnson/ Hartenstein/ Kaminsky?
Young ( Saric roster spot). Stanley Johnson ( Craig roster spot).
Hartenstein ( 2- Way). Kaminsky replacement!! Norvelle Pelle or Donta Hall or hopefully Troy Baxter 3rd ( 2- Way). Young replacement after he leaves next season!
But as needed for specific matchups ( Giannis/ Davis/ etc).we can run strong defensive rotations of Stanley Johnson ( 3), Thad Young (4), Ayton or McGee at the 5.
And for big frontcourt matchups, We can switch out Young with Hartenstein either: SJ/ Hartenstein/ Ayton or Young/ Hartenstein/ McGee Possibly???
I will reiterate that I believe this will backfire in that post trade, We'll not replenish size and rim protection. Also Smith will absolutely become what we needed for the Spurs, So IF we fail to make the finals and win the Championship, And Young leaves the following summer in free agency, This trade will reflect badly on us, And we'll be left thin at multiple positions, with no legitimate developing young talent to add to our core, Nor assets for potential trades to keep our roster depth viable.
Seriously though, Is there anyone left in the league that the Flakers aren't linked to? I mean how many players can they actually carry! It seems like they just keep adding more and more to their roster. Wasn't Rondo their 15th addition??
bwgood77 wrote:If the Spurs were offered a first, Jalen Smith and Dario for 1 year of Young they would laugh their asses off and accept immediately. We'd also be trading like a a 2024 1st, and who knows where we will be then...but we already would have been without a 1st rounder in 2020, 2021, 2022 and then 2024 so we'd have few rookie contracts and very little money to spend if we still had our core.
Giving away that much for like a 10th man of the rotation for 1 year (not saying he'd be the 10th best, but we already have a 9 man rotation at least) would be ridiculous.
Would it kind of be reminiscent of the 2005 suns ( Kurt Thomas era) all over again, In which we kept trading or selling off picks? Different context a bit I know. But also some similarities in continually giving up picks in interest of veterans to try and contend more?
It only is if we do not get (significantly) better. That was a pure penny pinching operation by old Bobby - this could be the necessary upgrade / tweak for us to go all the way. Not likely, as I do not think Thad is prime LeBron or anything, but almost certainly better for this 2 year campaign then Jalen would be. To be honest, I'm a bit underwhelmed by this offseason so far (as usual), but there is ways to go. Getting Thad and one or two of the guys you been pimping (Hartenstein, Ennis, Valentine are my favs from that list) could make some difference.
Random rosterbation thought: whatever happened to C. Wood on the Rockets? He is on a decent 13m salary, and they are tanking like hell. If I were the Suns, I would have reached out to check that. If you gonna spend all your draft capital you might as well spend it on a real difference maker. He would (have been) that. For him I would have traded one of Crowder/Saric+Cam+Jevon or Jalen+pick... Yeah, I know - Cam... I hate it too, but gotta give something to get something... and probably the Rockets say no, as he is pretty much their only good NBA player who is not a rookie, 2nd year or always injured player (looking at you Eric Gordon ).
If this trade happens we will be unbelievably screwed moving forward.
We can't keep trading draft picks for one year rentals.
Depends how you see Smith. I was never high on the guy but was happy to reserve final judgement until a couple of seasons into his career. I'd prefer to not trade Smith but if it came down to it, Smith just isn't good enough to be a deal-breaker in a trade that couple potentially net us a different maker in the front court.
If this trade happens we will be unbelievably screwed moving forward.
We can't keep trading draft picks for one year rentals.
Depends how you see Smith. I was never high on the guy but was happy to reserve final judgement until a couple of seasons into his career. I'd prefer to not trade Smith but if it came down to it, Smith just isn't good enough to be a deal-breaker in a trade that couple potentially net us a different maker in the front court.
I hoped that we would draft Smith and we did. I still would like to see what he can do. I like Saric and was am willing to wait for his return. I have been against this trade since the beginning but am starting to warm up to it.
I believe one of the most important things he did for the Bulls was rebounding and ball movement. In 24 minutes per game last year he averaged 6.2 Rebound and a career high of 4.3 assists. Monte's .5 offense is built on ball movement. It seems as though he could be a very good fit. I just do not know how Monte is going to get him 24 minutes a night, unless he sits Crowder or Johnson. I think all three of Crowder, Johnson and Bridges have earned their minutes on this team and do not deserve to have them cut. Maybe we can get them to throw in Drew Eubanks or something else.
Now I talked myself out of this trade.
I like our team as is. Sign the best player available for the 15th spot.
If this trade happens we will be unbelievably screwed moving forward.
We can't keep trading draft picks for one year rentals.
Depends how you see Smith. I was never high on the guy but was happy to reserve final judgement until a couple of seasons into his career. I'd prefer to not trade Smith but if it came down to it, Smith just isn't good enough to be a deal-breaker in a trade that couple potentially net us a different maker in the front court.
I hoped that we would draft Smith and we did. I still would like to see what he can do. I like Saric and was am willing to wait for his return. I have been against this trade since the beginning but am starting to warm up to it.
I believe one of the most important things he did for the Bulls was rebounding and ball movement. In 24 minutes per game last year he averaged 6.2 Rebound and a career high of 4.3 assists. Monte's .5 offense is built on ball movement. It seems as though he could be a very good fit. I just do not know how Monte is going to get him 24 minutes a night, unless he sits Crowder or Johnson. I think all three of Crowder, Johnson and Bridges have earned their minutes on this team and do not deserve to have them cut. Maybe we can get them to throw in Drew Eubanks or something else.
Now I talked myself out of this trade.
I like our team as is. Sign the best player available for the 15th spot.
As we are built right now we don't have enough deep going into an 82-games season as a contender.
We are one injury away to have serious problems in the rotation. It is pretty sure that we are gonna have to deal with some injury or bad condition/struggling from any player at some point and I wouldn't want to play Nader or Jalen Smith 25 mpg on a nightly basis.
You talk about giving Cam J, Bridges and Crowder a lot of deserved minutes at SF/PF...imagine one being down for a couple months. We would be in trouble.
We need one more good player IMO. We are contenders, depth is a must so we need one more known commodity in the roster. Nader or Jalen Smith aren't a sure thing, I like them but not on an overplayed role for next season.
For one year? That would make a bad summer to be giving out draft picks for bench players, who are not good defenders.
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