The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

[Kerrsed]

1. A debate about trying to get Amir Johnson. Not a bad idea, but people are upset about it for some reason.
2. A Raptor fan comes in, ask a simple question, and get pegged for it from the very first post. Why is it so hard to have a normal conversation. If you don't like what someone has to say, there are better ways to vent so than to act like you are better than the other person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW9PvYYH9lA

3. This site has a lot more debate than the other forums I post in which is why I come more now. It shouldn't mean that the level of talk should deteriorate. I hate having to sift through little fights here and there. Ignore the person if you don't like what they have to say.

Its because many of our posters have become asshats and go into automatic attack mode as soon as a poster from another teams board shows up. I will be putting a stop to this as its really pissing me the f**k off.

[King4Day]

Let's not go there...
Terrible comparison

i disagree, but we're not writing a Millers Analogy Test here, so ymmv. i'm sorry if i offended you.

There are just better ways to get the point across is all. I lived in NY during that time and how everything in life was before it and after were never the same.
I know you don't mean offense. It's always going to be a touchy subject.

[aIvin adams]

1. A debate about trying to get Amir Johnson. Not a bad idea, but people are upset about it for some reason.
2. A Raptor fan comes in, ask a simple question, and get pegged for it from the very first post. Why is it so hard to have a normal conversation. If you don't like what someone has to say, there are better ways to vent so than to act like you are better than the other person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW9PvYYH9lA

3. This site has a lot more debate than the other forums I post in which is why I come more now. It shouldn't mean that the level of talk should deteriorate. I hate having to sift through little fights here and there. Ignore the person if you don't like what they have to say.

cosmofizzo's point was that amir johnson would command a large salary after one more year, and we just lost a big who is arguably not as good as Amir (Frye) because he signed a contract which is ~30% more than the raptor fan expects Amir to get.

so that just didn't make a lot of sense to us. only a homer thinks his team's player is both good and will re-sign for significantly less than inferior players are signing for.

[King4Day]

1. A debate about trying to get Amir Johnson. Not a bad idea, but people are upset about it for some reason.
2. A Raptor fan comes in, ask a simple question, and get pegged for it from the very first post. Why is it so hard to have a normal conversation. If you don't like what someone has to say, there are better ways to vent so than to act like you are better than the other person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW9PvYYH9lA

3. This site has a lot more debate than the other forums I post in which is why I come more now. It shouldn't mean that the level of talk should deteriorate. I hate having to sift through little fights here and there. Ignore the person if you don't like what they have to say.

cosmofizzo's point was that amir johnson would command a large salary after one more year, and we just lost a big who is arguably not as good as Amir (Frye) because he signed a contract which is ~30% more than the raptor fan expects Amir to get.

so that just didn't make a lot of sense to us. only a homer thinks his team's player is both good and will re-sign for significantly less than inferior players are signing for.

I don't know much about Amir. Is he in any way comparable to Frye or would it just not make sense?
That's what bothers me about possibly going after Monroe. Talented player but from what I understand, he's not a stretch big. If that's the case, it could change hurt the pace we'd have with our guards. There won't be much room for driving.

[NoKneeBledsoe]

1. A debate about trying to get Amir Johnson. Not a bad idea, but people are upset about it for some reason.
2. A Raptor fan comes in, ask a simple question, and get pegged for it from the very first post. Why is it so hard to have a normal conversation. If you don't like what someone has to say, there are better ways to vent so than to act like you are better than the other person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW9PvYYH9lA

3. This site has a lot more debate than the other forums I post in which is why I come more now. It shouldn't mean that the level of talk should deteriorate. I hate having to sift through little fights here and there. Ignore the person if you don't like what they have to say.

cosmofizzo's point was that amir johnson would command a large salary after one more year, and we just lost a big who is arguably not as good as Amir (Frye) because he signed a contract which is ~30% more than the raptor fan expects Amir to get.

so that just didn't make a lot of sense to us. only a homer thinks his team's player is both good and will re-sign for significantly less than inferior players are signing for.

I don't know much about Amir. Is he in any way comparable to Frye or would it just not make sense?
That's what bothers me about possibly going after Monroe. Talented player but from what I understand, he's not a stretch big. If that's the case, it could change hurt the pace we'd have with our guards. There won't be much room for driving.

We do not need a Stretch Big.

Let Morris be a stretch 4 and Put Monroe down low. He has good game in the paint and also can rebound.

Yes, monroe at 4 doesn't fit our style but at 5 he is a stud that I think would be good down low.

If somehow we can net Bledsoe and Monroe we have a bright future. Then we get #6 with Lakers pick next year and pick up another STUD

[aIvin adams]

i don't know a lot about amir. from what i've seen he's very good, but different from Frye. he is a great shot blocker/help defender, and an OK man defender against small-to-medium sized bigs (better than Frye). very energetic, athletic and phsyical even tho small (or just looked small compared to J-Val who is enormous).

offensively he creates space by moving off the ball. which is to say, he doesn't create space compared to Frye. and he can't guard western conference centers.

i'd pay him more than Frye personally, even on this team where he's less of a fit than Frye.

[King4Day]

cosmofizzo's point was that amir johnson would command a large salary after one more year, and we just lost a big who is arguably not as good as Amir (Frye) because he signed a contract which is ~30% more than the raptor fan expects Amir to get.

so that just didn't make a lot of sense to us. only a homer thinks his team's player is both good and will re-sign for significantly less than inferior players are signing for.

I don't know much about Amir. Is he in any way comparable to Frye or would it just not make sense?
That's what bothers me about possibly going after Monroe. Talented player but from what I understand, he's not a stretch big. If that's the case, it could change hurt the pace we'd have with our guards. There won't be much room for driving.

We do not need a Stretch Big.

Let Morris be a stretch 4 and Put Monroe down low. He has good game in the paint and also can rebound.

Yes, monroe at 4 doesn't fit our style but at 5 he is a stud that I think would be good down low.

If somehow we can net Bledsoe and Monroe we have a bright future. Then we get #6 with Lakers pick next year and pick up another STUD

Do you think there's any offer we could make to Monroe that would prevent Detroit from matching? I feel like we may be their only challenge in terms of need. We'd probably have to do a sign and trade that included Len or Plumlee.

[aIvin adams]

a morris/monroe frontcourt looks helpless on defense.

even i would take it to the rack against those two, and i bruise easily and detest pain (i'm not a marine fyi)

[lilfishi22]

Honestly, if we are looking for a good defender and a great rim protector/rebounder i would rather go after Sanders. Its been known that he is available (and for cheap), and he could reboot his worth here in the valley. He is still young and very mobile. I think he could be a perfect fit here.

I agree with you on Sanders! What would his price tag be though? Who would we let go of?

Can't see the Suns going for a "bad seed" like Sanders. Although I think he would look phenomenal next to our dynamic guards.

[NoKneeBledsoe]

Honestly, if we are looking for a good defender and a great rim protector/rebounder i would rather go after Sanders. Its been known that he is available (and for cheap), and he could reboot his worth here in the valley. He is still young and very mobile. I think he could be a perfect fit here.

I agree with you on Sanders! What would his price tag be though? Who would we let go of?

Can't see the Suns going for a "bad seed" like Sanders. Although I think he would look phenomenal next to our dynamic guards.

I think Horny can mentor him!

Larry Sanders or Monroe.

I actually think the Defense and Rebounding of Sanders would be our Ideal Center

Take a chance

[Revived]

Dude we get it, you're an Amir Johnson fan boy and you think he's a really good player. So good in fact he could command a whopping $6 million salary. Nothing wrong with being a fan boy, but when you make 20 posts all arguing basically the same thing it's getting borderline trollish. Most trolls are fairly mean spirited in their posts, but you seem to be very eager and polite in your trolling. You've made your point over and over. I just heard your buddies on the Raptor board miss you and would like you to come home.

Didn't intend to argue. Not a Amir fan boy at all. Come on man we're all fans of our respective teams and we're just having a discussion. I didn't come here to insult you guys.

My point was Amir is underrated that's all im trying to say. He's worth a lot more then Ennis in a trade like some of you guys think. I apologize and I'll stop posting here.

For the sake of the matter, I also think your absolutely right. Amir is a very good, under appreciated basketball player. I'm a huge fan of his just like DRK.

I also realize that Ennis doesn't even have close enough trade value to net him.

You have to watch enough raps games and look for Amir individually to know how good he really is. I do this because my girl is a Raptors fans and when watching games I always tell her how Amir Johnson would be perfect on the Suns.

I'm a big fan of Ross as well.

Disappointing that some of our posters here drove you away, I apologize for them.

[lilfishi22]

I agree with you on Sanders! What would his price tag be though? Who would we let go of?

Can't see the Suns going for a "bad seed" like Sanders. Although I think he would look phenomenal next to our dynamic guards.

I think Horny can mentor him!

Larry Sanders or Monroe.

I actually think the Defense and Rebounding of Sanders would be our Ideal Center

Take a chance

Sanders 10 times out of 10. Monroe is looking to get paid 50% more than Sanders and I don't think his offense would outweigh his porous defense.

[Sunsdeuce]

@SpearsNBAYahoo: Find it hard to believe there were 41 better players in the draft than ex-Arizona star Nick Johnson. Nice pick for Rockets.

Just saw this. Just wanted to get your guys opinions. Is this summer league overaction? Or is there a real possibility he could be better than Ennis?


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[Revived]

So instead of tearing through about 20 pages of missed reading, which seemed to be full of pointless arguments, can anyone give a little recap? Any insider knowledge lately? Does the Lakers rumor have teeth?

Anytime there's anything worth a damn, you can see it above on the RealGM Wiretap. They filter it so that not every BS "rumor" gets posted on there. You will know that it has some legs if it's posted on the Wiretap.

[Cutter]

If elite rim protection is what we need, then we should have kept the #2 rim protector in the league when we had him. His name..... Robin Lopez. Robin was the second best rim protector last year, after Roy Hibbert. Robin was better at rim protection than Serge Ibaka (#3), Joakim Noah, Andrew Bogut, Dwight Howard etc.

Defensively Robin was a beast last year, and it could be argued his defense was the hidden catalyst why Portland did so well last year.

Too bad so many people on this board (myself included ) soured on Robin and didn't give him the time he needed to develop. He was never going to contribute much offensively, but he would be perfect for what we need right now.

I wonder if Portland would trade him back to us?

[bwgood77]

1. A debate about trying to get Amir Johnson. Not a bad idea, but people are upset about it for some reason.
2. A Raptor fan comes in, ask a simple question, and get pegged for it from the very first post. Why is it so hard to have a normal conversation. If you don't like what someone has to say, there are better ways to vent so than to act like you are better than the other person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW9PvYYH9lA

3. This site has a lot more debate than the other forums I post in which is why I come more now. It shouldn't mean that the level of talk should deteriorate. I hate having to sift through little fights here and there. Ignore the person if you don't like what they have to say.

I agree. He seemed like a reasonable guy and I hate to see that he ran off. He only repeated what he was saying because people were arguing with him. I actually agree that I would never trade Amir for Ennis if in their shoes. Amir is underrated and good and rim protectors are hard to come by.

[lilfishi22]

@SpearsNBAYahoo: Find it hard to believe there were 41 better players in the draft than ex-Arizona star Nick Johnson. Nice pick for Rockets.

Just saw this. Just wanted to get your guys opinions. Is this summer league overaction? Or is there a real possibility he could be better than Ennis?


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I think they are completely different players. Johnson is an undersized shooting guard and his nbadraft.net comparison of Shannon Brown sounds about right. Undersized 2, average ball handler, settles for jumpers.

Rockets got a decent guy at 41, but I wouldn't have used the 18 or the 27 for him. I think undersized 2 guards are dime a dozen.

[NoKneeBledsoe]

@SpearsNBAYahoo: Find it hard to believe there were 41 better players in the draft than ex-Arizona star Nick Johnson. Nice pick for Rockets.

Just saw this. Just wanted to get your guys opinions. Is this summer league overaction? Or is there a real possibility he could be better than Ennis?


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I think they are completely different players. Johnson is an undersized shooting guard and his nbadraft.net comparison of Shannon Brown sounds about right. Undersized 2, average ball handler, settles for jumpers.

Rockets got a decent guy at 41, but I wouldn't have used the 18 or the 27 for him. I think undersized 2 guards are dime a dozen.

IMO he has a better all around game then Ennis. I think they can even use him at Point off bench! Call me crazy but I think he can

[bwgood77]

1. A debate about trying to get Amir Johnson. Not a bad idea, but people are upset about it for some reason.
2. A Raptor fan comes in, ask a simple question, and get pegged for it from the very first post. Why is it so hard to have a normal conversation. If you don't like what someone has to say, there are better ways to vent so than to act like you are better than the other person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW9PvYYH9lA

3. This site has a lot more debate than the other forums I post in which is why I come more now. It shouldn't mean that the level of talk should deteriorate. I hate having to sift through little fights here and there. Ignore the person if you don't like what they have to say.

cosmofizzo's point was that amir johnson would command a large salary after one more year, and we just lost a big who is arguably not as good as Amir (Frye) because he signed a contract which is ~30% more than the raptor fan expects Amir to get.

so that just didn't make a lot of sense to us. only a homer thinks his team's player is both good and will re-sign for significantly less than inferior players are signing for.

I don't know much about Amir. Is he in any way comparable to Frye or would it just not make sense?
That's what bothers me about possibly going after Monroe. Talented player but from what I understand, he's not a stretch big. If that's the case, it could change hurt the pace we'd have with our guards. There won't be much room for driving.

No, not comparable to Frye. He is more of a defender, shot blocker (thought not one of the best) and a rebounder. He did shoot more threes than ever this year, but still less than 1 a game.

[Cutter]

Yeah, I don't get the Amir and Channing comparison at all. The only thing they have in common is both play PF.