Offseason Thread 7: A Tale Of Two Dragons

SunsFanSSOL · Post #41 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:59 am

Holy sh*t!!!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/516449747616669697[/tweet]

Early word in circulation is that the two Morris contracts likely to total in $52 million range. Precise split between the two brothers TBA

No-Man · Post #42 » by **No-Man** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:02 am

How is Curry similar to Ennis?

Ennis is Howard Eisley 2.0, he is nothing special and he should've being draft in the late 1st or 2nd for me, he didnt belong in the top25.

McGary is tough, agile, intelligent and plays with a lot of heart, plus having an NBA body and NBA skillset, he can play two positions efficiently and the only concern with him is his back, if it werent for that I would've easily slotted him in the lottery even with his age.

His basically a bigger, stronger and tougher Nick Collison, with better ball skills, athleticism and hands.
He is better than Plumlee, and you have Miles in high regard when he is basically the second coming of Jeff Foster.

No-Man · Post #43 » by **No-Man** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:03 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:Holy sh*t!!!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/516449747616669697[/tweet]

Early word in circulation is that the two Morris contracts likely to total in $52 million range. Precise split between the two brothers TBA

Im guessing 32/4 for Kieff and 20/4 for Marcus

Those two are really bad contracts by the way.

Reaally really bad.
The Warren pick makes 0 sense, or the Tucker extension, I dont really understand.

No-Man · Post #44 » by **No-Man** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:06 am

wait what, i didnt read, you are giving the same to both? 6.5m$ a year for Marcus Morris?

oh my lord.

And its not a great deal for Markieff, is his value, sligthly overpaid actually, I think he is not better than Patrick Patterson that just signed a 6m$ deal, there are always role player PFs overpaid in this league, Bass, Landry, and its never good for their teams.

Those deals are god awful.

BurningHeart · Post #45 » by **BurningHeart** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:08 am

It has to be 4 years?

I think it'll be/it should be about 5/30 for Markieff and 5/20 for Morris. What's not to like?

Split T · Post #46 » by **Split T** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:09 am

Fischella wrote:
SunsFanSSOL wrote:Holy sh*t!!!

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/516449747616669697[/tweet]

Early word in circulation is that the two Morris contracts likely to total in $52 million range. Precise split between the two brothers TBA

Im guessing 32/4 for Kieff and 20/4 for Marcus

Those two are really bad contracts by the way.

Reaally really bad.
The Warren pick makes 0 sense, or the Tucker extension, I dont really understand.

Warren and Tucker are 3's. Markieff is a 4, Marcus is a stretch 4. It seems a little high, but someone would have thrown 10mil per year at markieff next year.

Split T · Post #47 » by **Split T** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:12 am

Fischella wrote:wait what, i didnt read, you are giving the same to both? 6.5m$ a year for Marcus Morris?

oh my lord.

And its not a great deal for Markieff, is his value, sligthly overpaid actually, I think he is not better than Patrick Patterson that just signed a 6m$ deal, there are always role player PFs overpaid in this league, Bass, Landry, and its never good for their teams.

Those deals are god awful.

I misread the tweet, thought it said they were splitting it evenly. And Patterson is not as good as markieff, not really even that close in my opinion. Patterson is closer to Marcus than markieff.

No-Man · Post #48 » by **No-Man** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:14 am

10m$/y for Markieff Morris? are we all crazy now? Morris is in the same league of the Brandon Bass, Marvin Williams, Tristan Thompson, Brandan Wright, JJ Hickson, Terrence Jones, Scola, Hawes, Boozer, McRoberts, Landry, Thompson, Diaw, Patterson, Humphries...

Good back-ups that deserve something in the range of 6m$, not 10, no one would have throw that money to him, no one.

Mike Scott re-signed for 3m$ a year and he is better as a stretch PF than Marcus for christ sake.

Is a stupid move, period, surprisingly stupid from McD.

SunsFanSSOL · Post #49 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:17 am

Fischella wrote:10m$/y for Markieff Morris? are we all crazy now? Morris is in the same league of the Brandon Bass, Marvin Williams, Tristan Thompson, Brandan Wright, JJ Hickson, Terrence Jones, Scola, Hawes, Boozer, McRoberts, Landry, Thompson, Diaw, Patterson, Humphries...

Good back-ups that deserve something in the range of 6m$, not 10, no one would have throw that money to him, no one.

Mike Scott re-signed for 3m$ a year and he is better as a stretch PF than Marcus for christ sake.

Is a stupid move, period, surprisingly stupid from McD.

Morris is better than everyone on that list.

Blackification · Post #50 » by **Blackification** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:17 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:
Fischella wrote:10m$/y for Markieff Morris? are we all crazy now? Morris is in the same league of the Brandon Bass, Marvin Williams, Tristan Thompson, Brandan Wright, JJ Hickson, Terrence Jones, Scola, Hawes, Boozer, McRoberts, Landry, Thompson, Diaw, Patterson, Humphries...

Good back-ups that deserve something in the range of 6m$, not 10, no one would have throw that money to him, no one.

Mike Scott re-signed for 3m$ a year and he is better as a stretch PF than Marcus for christ sake.

Is a stupid move, period, surprisingly stupid from McD.

Morris is better than everyone on that list.

I agree and who even said he is getting 10 mil a year?

McD is trying to re-sign everyone as quick as possible before the cap goes up.

No-Man · Post #51 » by **No-Man** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:19 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:
Fischella wrote:10m$/y for Markieff Morris? are we all crazy now? Morris is in the same league of the Brandon Bass, Marvin Williams, Tristan Thompson, Brandan Wright, JJ Hickson, Terrence Jones, Scola, Hawes, Boozer, McRoberts, Landry, Thompson, Diaw, Patterson, Humphries...

Good back-ups that deserve something in the range of 6m$, not 10, no one would have throw that money to him, no one.

Mike Scott re-signed for 3m$ a year and he is better as a stretch PF than Marcus for christ sake.

Is a stupid move, period, surprisingly stupid from McD.

Morris is better than everyone on that list.

in the current game if you overpaid glorified role palyers you have no chance to win the title, just that simple.

Morris is not a star, those type of deals kill your cap and pretty much unmovable because they are bad contracts, look at Sacramento stuck with landry and thompson, look at Boston that couldnt move Bass all these years.

Markieff Morris is a good player, he is not better clearly than some dudes on that list, and he is making with this new deal more money than most of them, plus you got to give his brother a terrible deal aswell.

BurningHeart · Post #52 » by **BurningHeart** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:19 am

Be patient. Jeez.

Split T · Post #53 » by **Split T** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:25 am

Fischella wrote:10m$/y for Markieff Morris? are we all crazy now? Morris is in the same league of the Brandon Bass, Marvin Williams, Tristan Thompson, Brandan Wright, JJ Hickson, Terrence Jones, Scola, Hawes, Boozer, McRoberts, Landry, Thompson, Diaw, Patterson, Humphries...

Good back-ups that deserve something in the range of 6m$, not 10, no one would have throw that money to him, no one.

Mike Scott re-signed for 3m$ a year and he is better as a stretch PF than Marcus for christ sake.

Is a stupid move, period, surprisingly stupid from McD.

Mike Scott is not a good 3 pt shooter, he's pretty bad actually. He'll heat up every now and then but he shot 30% from 3 last year. Marcus was around 40%.

And like was already said, markieff is better than everyone on that list. He's closer to David west.

No-Man · Post #54 » by **No-Man** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:30 am

How is Markieff Morris close to David West?
West was an All Star, a better athlete and stronger post player than Markieff and way better as a defender.

Scott is better than Marcus Morris and signed for half if Stein's reports are true.

Markieff Morris is a back-up PF in a championship caliber team, or a starter if your Center is an All Star, not those many in todays game, he is not a star or an All Star caliber player, he is a role player like all those PFs I listed, his salary is fine with the cap going up I guess, I wouldnt give him that money though, there is always guys for his role that can be founded either in the draft or FA pretty cheap, every year, but I guess they value him and the chemistry... but the fact that you have to pay his borther that type of money, a terrible contract from what we have seen to retain him, makes it really really bad.

Post #55 » by **batsmasher** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:30 am

Fischella wrote:Those two are really bad contracts by the way.

Reaally really bad.
The Warren pick makes 0 sense, or the Tucker extension, I dont really understand.

Wait, do you even follow this team..? oh, carry on.

RaisingArizona · Post #56 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:31 am

Really glad to see the Mo Bros staying for four years. Kieff is going to breakout with more minutes. Great deal, McD!

RaisingArizona · Post #57 » by **RaisingArizona** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:33 am

Fischella wrote:How is Markieff Morris close to David West?
West was an All Star, a better athlete and stronger post player than Markieff and way better as a defender.

Scott is better than Marcus Morris and signed for half if Stein's reports are true.

Markieff Morris is a back-up PF in a championship caliber team, or a starter if your Center is an All Star, not those many in todays game, he is not a star or an All Star caliber player, he is a role player like all those PFs I listed, his salary is fine with the cap going up I guess, I wouldnt give him that money though, there is always guys for his role that can be founded either in the draft or FA pretty cheap, every year, but I guess they value him and the chemistry... but the fact that you have to pay his borther that type of money, a terrible contract from what we have seen to retain him, makes it really really bad.

Ok, Mavs fan...

SunsFanSSOL · Post #58 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:35 am

Fischella wrote:How is Markieff Morris close to David West?
West was an All Star, a better athlete and stronger post player than Markieff and way better as a defender.

Scott is better than Marcus Morris and signed for half if Stein's reports are true.

Markieff Morris is a back-up PF in a championship caliber team, or a starter if your Center is an All Star, not those many in todays game, he is not a star or an All Star caliber player, he is a role player like all those PFs I listed, his salary is fine with the cap going up I guess, I wouldnt give him that money though, there is always guys for his role that can be founded either in the draft or FA pretty cheap, every year, but I guess they value him and the chemistry... but the fact that you have to pay his borther that type of money, a terrible contract from what we have seen to retain him, makes it really really bad.

David West hasn't been an all-star in 5 years, we don't know what Markieff is capable of yet he's 9 years younger than West and had nearly identical stats as him last season...off the bench.

dgwdum · Post #59 » by **dgwdum** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:36 am

BurningHeart wrote:It has to be 4 years?

I think it'll be/it should be about 5/30 for Markieff and 5/20 for Morris. What's not to like?

Marc stein is saying both are 4 year deals.

Markieff is a steal at that price but not marcus. The worst thing a GM can do is overpay average/mediocre players, your basically giving markieff 12 mil a year.

Next year's cap isn't projected to jump too high yet, estimated is 65 mil. Once you get dragic at max next offseason plus bledsoe, mtwins, IT AND all the other guaranteed contracts and cap holds on pics I wonder how much the FO will have to upgrade the center position.

Revived · Post #60 » by **Revived** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:38 am

I'm not a fan of giving Marcus Morris anything more than $4M/yr. And even that is only with the increased cap and everything.

Kieff should be able to get about $8M/yr